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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2016, 03:59:47 PM »
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  • Mr. Charles Coulombe, is a very good friend of Saint Benedict Center and a speaker / author in the conferences. A renown "Feeneyite", strong supporter of the crusade for EESN, he was made a Papal Knight, created Knight Commander of the Order St. Sylvester in 2004. He is a very brilliant, extraordinarily educated, and well traveled scholar and historian of the highest reputation.
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    « Reply #16 on: September 04, 2016, 01:23:20 PM »
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    Mr. Charles Coulombe, is a very good friend of Saint Benedict Center and a speaker / author in the conferences. A renown "Feeneyite", strong supporter of the crusade for EESN, he was made a Papal Knight, created Knight Commander of the Order St. Sylvester in 2004. He is a very brilliant, extraordinarily educated, and well traveled scholar and historian of the highest reputation.


    For such an erudite and sophisticated fellow, his downplay of his gnostic and occult connections rings hollow for me.


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    « Reply #17 on: September 04, 2016, 04:31:32 PM »
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    Mr. Charles Coulombe, is a very good friend of Saint Benedict Center and a speaker / author in the conferences. A renown "Feeneyite", strong supporter of the crusade for EESN, he was made a Papal Knight, created Knight Commander of the Order St. Sylvester in 2004. He is a very brilliant, extraordinarily educated, and well traveled scholar and historian of the highest reputation.


    For such an erudite and sophisticated fellow, his downplay of his gnostic and occult connections rings hollow for me.


    He once said that he was associated with gnosis magazine so he could try to convert people.

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    « Reply #18 on: September 04, 2016, 04:33:43 PM »
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  • I know about Charles Coulombe from his series of videos on the Tumblar House Youtube Channel and also from a few interviews he did about various topics related to Catholicism and history. I have never heard anything in the videos I saw that offended me except for one thing. When in one of his videos where he was talking about the SSPX, he condemned the consecration of the four Bishops by Lefebvre and de Castro Mayer. Other than that everything I heard him say seemed fine and Catholic. But I have not read any of his many articles or books so I may be wrong in considering him a Catholic. The accusations that he is involved in the occult remind me of Rama Coomaraswamy. In both cases I hope the accusations are false.
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    « Reply #19 on: September 06, 2016, 09:27:46 AM »
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    Other than that everything I heard him say seemed fine and Catholic.

    I just remembered something else he said that I disagreed with. He seemed too close to the Orthodox and seemed to consider them to be Catholic.
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    « Reply #20 on: October 11, 2016, 08:47:16 PM »
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  • Episode 9 is out. Coulombe answered a question from Laramie Hirsch.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/OQb2vY5zCn4[/youtube]
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    « Reply #21 on: October 12, 2016, 09:49:41 AM »
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  • His Puritan's Empire: A Catholic Perspective on American History is very good.
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    « Reply #22 on: October 19, 2016, 02:53:41 AM »
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    Episode 9 is out. Coulombe answered a question from Laramie Hirsch.


    Yeah.  I typed up a transcript for anyone who is a faster reader and can't access YouTube.  

    http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-kingdom-of-catolica-america-part-3.html


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    Vinnie Frankini:

    Laramie Hirsch writes: "It seems to me that as oligarchs rule, things become more chaotic.  And as a population grows, power seems to solidify into an untouchable central authority. Charles touched on this in his book, Star Spangled Crown, when he discussed the boroughs and the burghs of the British Isles. A more modern example of runaway oligarchy, I think, is America's current untouchable political class.  But for your on-the-street layman, what is the difference between an oligarchy and a monarchy?

    Charles Coulombe:

    Well, the difference is actually pretty big.  A monarchy is, of course, a form of government.  We have a single monarch, usually but not always hereditary, which is at once legitimized and limited by tradition, and religion, and various other factors.  An oligarchy is a ruling class which may or may not be responsible to someone or another.  You can have a monarchy and an oligarchy at the same time, and you can have a Republic and an oligarchy at the same time.  You can have any form of government you'd like with an oligarchy.  But the question is: how responsive is that oligarchy to the actual needs of its subjects? What kind of check is there on its power?
     
    In some societies you can—oh, like Venice, for instance, which was a republic of sorts (although they had a duke, the Doge)—there was an oligarchy who--they were the ones who voted; nobody else did.  But both their religion, the almost crushing weight of custom in Venice, and a number of other factors, kept them fairly efficient as rulers for a long time.  

    What you really have a problem with—and this, I think, has happened in our own country today--is when you get an oligarchy that is untraveled by any kind of tradition, has no effective check out its power, and no real belief in anything save itself.  When you have an oligarchy that no longer cares about the welfare of its subjects, then you acquire a parasite. A parasite that will kill the host unless they're overthrown, and we get a new oligarchy.

    Vinnie Frankini:

     Okay.  What would be an example of a good check on an oligarchy, so that they're not a parasite?

    Charles Coulombe:

    Well, as I said, I brought up Venice.  But usually, when you've got an hereditary king, you've got a good check on the oligarchy, partly because it's hereditary, partly because he may rule through them, but he also has appealed to the people below them.  You see.  The King has to try to be father to all his subjects, not just those on top.

    Vinnie Frankini:  What about our system?

    Charles Coulombe:

    Well, in our system there is no check on the oligarchy at all.  And the oligarchy, moreover, have no belief that would restrain them.  They have a belief structure of sorts, but it's completely self-aggrandizing. The problem with it, though, is that it doesn't really confer the legitimacy of them.  What Mrs. Clinton was going on about last night was really the credo of the oligarchy.  The so-called "woman's right to choose"—infanticide—and so-called "marriage equality"—sodomy--these are what our ruling class are in to.  And it's such sɛҳuąƖ stuff.  I mean, that's small potatoes, really.  But it's all economic, all "this worldly."  
    You know, Donald, who certainly has been a member of that oligarchy, at least in financial terms for a long time, identified a couple of other members of it—George Soros, Warren Buffet.  And really, George Soros, alongside Rupert Murdoch, is like a poster child for the modern oligarchy.  all the garden because he's not this, and he's not that.  It's not an oligarchy that's based on any ethnic unity.  It's not based on anything other than money and power.  That's why it's so hard to identify.

    But, you look at a man like Rupert Murdoch.  Now, Rupert Murdoch is a world player likes Soros.  He knows no boundaries.  He gave up his Australian citizenship. In Australia he is the bankroll of the Australian republican movement. In the United States, he is your Fox News and so-called Republican. But then, in Britain, he was Tony Blair's paymaster and the "mother bountiful: of the Labor Party.  These are very different roles!  And you would say: "Gee, what's his ideology?" Well, his ideology is Rupert Murdoch.  

    The problem, though, is that you cannot sustain over a long period of time an oligarchy that's like that.  If all they see is themselves and their own power and their own—whatever it is going on inside those little pointed heads of theirs—then it's time they be replaced, or the fabric of society crumble.  One of the other.

    I mean, to bring it down to its most basic: a society that cannot sustain itself via population will die.   You have to have bodies to bleed for you and to be milked for your treasure.  If you don't have them, then you don't have them.  The problem, of course, is that the way these folk see to remedy that is to abolish nations and to bring in all sorts of immigrants to take up the slack. When you can do that, then you change the nature of the country.  And the problem is, too, the people you bring in will not have the habits of obedience to the oligarchy that your native born did.  So, you play with fire.

    You know, the old joke about the woodman who was sitting on the branch and the treme (assistant?) is busy sawing it!  And they didn't understand why he fell down and broke his neck. It was a little too tough for them to catch on to!   Our oligarchs are the same way.  They don't realize that they're doing in themselves.  And they don't care!  So!  What's not to like?
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    « Reply #23 on: October 20, 2016, 12:55:44 AM »
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    I probably got off on the wrong foot by selecting the most controversial topics as my introduction to these videos, but after listening to 3 or 4, I'd had enough.

    Too much of an intellectual for me, with little to no recognition that most of life happens in very imperfect, human situations. He's the proverbial single man waiting out the Crisis in his N.O. pew because it's not Catholic to leave the official Church; meanwhile, giving not so much as a nod to the reality that raising families in that environment has a well-established low rate of success.


    I've said elsewhere that I view Coulombe (along with others) to be a wolf in sheep's clothing in the Traditional Catholic movement. I believe he is an occultist, based upon his own writings.

    Here is an example of his view on marriage, since you brought up his single status. This sets off many alarm bells for me:

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    ON THE ANONYMOUS NEWLYWED

    By Charles A. Coulombe

    Recently, at a party, I encountered a young man named Jim. Well-dressed, charming, not bad-looking, and possessed of a good job, he nevertheless had a great problem. "I'm 32" he complained, "I'm sure I'm called to the vocation of marriage, but there's no one in sight!" At the time I gave him all the assurances one gives---he has plenty of time, desperation breeds disaster, God will send someone when the time is right, etc. It was only after a few days that I realised that I had been entirely wrong. Jim had no need of such consolation because---he is already married!

    This revelation came to me like a thunderclap. Marriage is, after all, a sacrament. Like any other sacrament, it requires three things to be valid---

    a. valid form (that is, the words used),
    b. valid intent (in this case, the intent to lead a Catholic marriage), and lastly,
    c. valid matter.

    Now this last takes different forms for different sacraments. With the Eucharist, it is bread and wine, with Baptism water, and with Extreme Unction, oil. In Matrimony, it is actually the couple themselves who are the matter of the Sacrament. What an annulment proceeding sets out to prove, is that by virtue of a defect with either of the first two, or of the third (for reason of state in life, health, vows taken, or whatever, either party were not in essence valid matter for the sacrament), there was no marriage---in the same sense that any of the other six might be invalid. So where does this leave our Jim? He has valid intent, but neither form nor the entirety of the matter (the lack of an actual woman would leave him, as it were, like a priest with bread but no wine). Surely he must be unmarried?

    Not so! For in reality, neither form nor matter are required for a sacrament. The notion of Baptism of Desire is helpful here. St. Thomas Aquinas tells us in the Summa how a catechumen on his way to be Baptized, yet slain "by some ill chance" en route, nevertheless receives the graces of the Sacrament. The catechumen has had neither valid form (the words), nor valid matter (the water), yet nevertheless, by his intent, possesses the Sacrament! In similar wise, Jim is already married, despite the same two elements lacking. It might be objected, at this point, that Matrimony of Desire does not allow of the privileges of Matrimony of the Flesh: there is no impressive ceremony in Church, no Best Man nor Maid of Honor, no groomsmen nor bridesmaids, no engagement party, bachelor dinner, bridal shower nor reception. There is no honeymoon, no housewarming, no wife by one's side, no children. Further, there are no tax breaks. Yet reflect for a moment---neither will Baptism of Desire gain you the appurtenances of Baptism: none of the privileges of Church membership (try asking a priest to marry a coup le, or confirm a child, explaining that the party concerned has no record of Baptism because it was by desire), nor access to the other sacraments. Yet we are solemnly assured over and over, that it is just as good as water Baptism. A learned Traditionalist prelate once wrote, "Many times in Africa I heard one of our catechumens say to me, 'Father, baptize me straightaway because if I die before you come again, I shall go to Hell. ' I told him, 'No, if you have no mortal sin on your conscience and if you desire baptism, then you already have the grace in you.'" In retrospect, a paraphrase of this, reworked to deal with Matrimony, is what I should have told Jim.

    But Jim is, admittedly, a relatively rare case. He desires to lead a married life in accordance with the Church's teaching; he may be said to have an explicit desire for Matrimony. A large number of unmarried, (this writer included) feel no great urge to leave the single state. What about us? Are we to be denied the graces of Matrimony simply because of a lack of motivation? By no means! Again, analogy is helpful here. The same Bishop just quoted, has also written (indeed, in the same place): "The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows that amongst Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists, and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this way they become part of the Church. Ah, what blessed teaching! For the same applies to Matrimony. What is its essence after all, save the striving for union, for community? Do not single people do this? Do they not all have circles of close friends, often all the more precious to them because of the lack of a spouse? See how many are active in organizational or in Church work, or at least have pets! Even the hermits amongst us tend to commune with nature! Thus, we may be all said in this way to have an implicit desire for Matrimony. "We receive the grace of Matrimony without knowing it, but in an effective way!" In this way, we all become married.

    But what about clergy and religious? By virtue of their Ordinations or Professions, have they not explicitly given up the graces of Matrimony? Not at all! The male religious, priests, and bishops are "married" to the Church, even as Nuns are "Brides of Christ," complete with wedding dresses and rings. Indeed, because of their explicit renunciation of connubial bliss, such folk's action may be likened to the idea of "Baptism of Blood."

    Now in the time of the prelate we have been quoting, alternative verbiage about Baptism was used which led one to think it was exclusive---indeed, it appeared to contradict what he said. People spoke of the "necessity of Baptism," and "No Salvation Outside the Church,"---entrance to which, of course, was explicitly said to be water baptism---hence its necessity. Fortunately, we have traveled further along this road, thanks in no small part to a worthy Jesuit, Fr. Karl Rahner.
    Taking his start at the Bishop's implicit desire for Baptism, Fr. Rahner extended this course of reasoning further yet. He declared that such folk were "Anonymous Christians." An Anonymous Christian, as he described him in his inimitable style, is an individual "who even though he is a non-Christian is justified through the grace of Christ and through a faith, hope, and love for God and mankind which are to be qualified as specifically Christian in a special sense, even though this triad, constituting the single way to salvation and possession of salvation, is something of which they are not objectively aware in the sense of having consciously explicitated their specifically Christian dimension to themselves. Merely in passing it may be remarked that we might apply the term 'anonymous Christian' to every individual who, in virtue of God's universal will to save, and thereby in virtue of the 'supernatural existential,' is inescapably confronted with the offering of God's self-bestowal and is totally unable to escape from his situation. In other words, according to this terminology, absolutely every man is an 'anonymous Christian.'"

    Now much as Fr. Rahner and the Bishop cited might disagree on other things, here they are virtually as one. Of course, His Lordship would no doubt not like the final conclusion Rahner proposes, but having ridden with him most of the way, he is not in a position to dismount. But what does this do for our problem? The answer is obvious: in precisely the same manner, and no matter what the appearances---every man and woman, from the moment of conception, is already married! We are all 'anonymous newlyweds!' Regardless of our outward state in life, we are all, spiritually, wedded---if only to ourselves. Armed with this knowledge, we may safely forget about courtship, the future, or even our appearances---there is no need to attract a mate. At last, the endless worry about dates will be banished forever from teen-age life! With this new understanding, the whole panoply of the wedding industry, Marriage Encounter, pre-Cana, spousal exemptions, two-fly for-one deals, and the rest of it will wither just as gradually and as naturally as Catholic Missionary efforts and evangelisation have in the wake of the new Baptismal theology. Now if we can only find someone to apply these same principles to the remaining five sacraments!

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    « Reply #24 on: October 24, 2016, 11:10:13 AM »
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    I wonder if he's ever responded to these criticisms: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1458990/replies?c=345

    I can't find the original, which I read years ago.


    I think your concerns are well-founded, Rum.


    The accusations of being friendly to occult groups was well argued.

    Hanging-out with the Hollywooders is corrupting.

    It doesn't appear Coulombe ever adequately admitted the problem or made amends?

    I find him to have such a humorous wit, but if he's carrying this baggage, will have to stay away.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #25 on: October 28, 2016, 05:39:58 PM »
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  • I suspect that Mr. Coulombe is unpopular among some here because he has said the truth about Archbishop Lefebvre, which is that he believed in and taught Fr. Karl Rahner's "Anonymous Christian" heresy.

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    The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows that amongst Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this way they become part of the Church. The error consists in thinking that they are saved by their religion. They are saved in their religion but not by it.  
    Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Open Letter to Confused Catholics

    Normally, it will be in the sincere practice of what is good in their own religious traditions and by following the dictates of their own conscience that the members of other religions respond positively to God’s invitation and receive salvation in Jesus Christ, even while they do not recognize or acknowledge him as their Saviour.
    John Paul II, The Seeds of the Word in the Religions of the World, September 9, 1998


     
    I wonder how many of those who condemn Mr. Coulombe as an occultist believe that occultists can be saved by the "implicit baptism of desire." If Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. can be saved by the fourth baptism, then why not occultists?
     
     
    "The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a man who thinks other people can get along without It. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who thinks he needs It but someone else does not. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who offers others any charity ahead of this Charity of the Bread of Life." -Fr. Leonard Feeney, Bread of Life