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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: Dolores on January 23, 2015, 11:01:32 AM

Title: Catholic State Punishing Sin?
Post by: Dolores on January 23, 2015, 11:01:32 AM
Something I was thinking about the other day:  to what extent should a (hypothetical) Catholic Confessional State punish sin as a crime?

There are obviously some sins that almost anyone would agree should be punished as crimes, for example, theft, assault, rape, and murder.

There are also those sins that used to be crimes, are no longer, but probably should be punished as crimes in a Catholic Confessional State, for example, abortion, sodomy, adultery, and blasphemy.

What about other sins, that have never been regarded as crimes, at least not in recent history?  I'm thinking of things like skipping Mass on Sunday, lying, detraction, fornication, and immodesty.  If so, how would they be punished?
Title: Catholic State Punishing Sin?
Post by: BTNYC on January 23, 2015, 11:22:48 AM
Simply look to the Catholic states of the past, especially the Middle Ages, as a guide for how these crimes should be punished.

Abortion, sodomy, obstinate formal heresy, and blasphemy are capital crimes deserving of death.

Adultery, fornication, prostitution, lewd public dress, etc. are still serious crimes, though not capital ones. These would be punished by imprisonment, public flogging, fines, etc.

Skipping Mass on sunday without valid excuse is already punishable with the pain of Mortal Sin, I'm not sure if the State ever imposed any corporal punishments for trsngressions like that. At least, I can't readily think of any that did (I'm hardly an expert so take that for what it's worth).

Also it should be noted that while it is the duty of the State to punish these crimes as they are a grave harm to the common good of the public, it has also been the practice of Catholic states to respect the sancrosanctity of the family as an autonomous entity to itself; the mantra "a man's home is his castle" was taken quite seriously, and you would therefore not see the State intervening in matters of the home, like enforcing proper catechesis of children, or checking up on Mass attendance for the members of the household, forcing Baptism on babies etc. Catholic states were sensible of perennial Catholic teaching that the family is the nucleus of society, and that the father as head of the family has a certain autonomy that arises from the Natural Law itself and so avoided meddling in matters of the home as much as possible.
Title: Catholic State Punishing Sin?
Post by: Matto on January 23, 2015, 12:43:01 PM
I remember reading that working on Sunday was punished in the past. Though I don't think the punishments were severe.