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Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2025, 07:21:51 PM »
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  • You made an extraordinary claim that Fuentes is in your words a "controlled op" and when I politely/respectfully asked you to please present your strongest credible evidence that Fuentes is in your words a "controlled op" this evasive reply is what you come back with.  It was easy enough for you to call him a "controlled op."  Why can't you in your own words simply answer my question rather than evade it?

    Dustin Nemos (just google him) does an amazing job and brings all the receipts.
    But I will give it a shot.

    Nick Fuentes fits the profile of a controlled operation rather than an independent actor. On July 13, 2024, he claimed Trump was shot during an event and reversed it within days (The Guardian, 2024), showing the rapid flip-flops typical of managed narratives. Coordinated messaging across Fuentes’ show, Telegram, and other influencer accounts on March 8, 2021 demonstrates synchronized influence activity (DFRLab, 2021). He strategically pivoted ideologically on Trump, Israel, and foreign policy in January 2024 and August 2024, aligning with broader media narratives (Wikipedia – Nick Fuentes). Despite his prominent role in the January 6th rally, Fuentes was never arrested or prosecuted, an unusual outcome compared to other organizers and participants, suggesting federal protection or management. Independent investigator Dustin Nemos has docuмented these patterns as controlled opposition activity (Nemos News Network, 2025), and Fuentes’ amplification of division around major events, like the Trump shooting story and Charlie Kirk narratives, is consistent with influence operation behavior (New Yorker, 2025). Taken together, these verifiable facts create a cuмulative, undeniable pattern showing Fuentes is operating as a controlled op, not as an organic political actor.


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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #16 on: September 18, 2025, 07:40:16 PM »
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  • I asked you to show your strongest, credible evidence for calling Nick Fuentes a “controlled op.” What you posted is a list of suspicious behaviors and secondary accounts — but it’s not the extraordinary, verifiable evidence that claim requires.

    A few concrete problems with your argument: (1) showing synchronized messaging or ideological pivots doesn’t prove an actor is being controlled — it could also be organic coordination, opportunism, bots, or amplification by like-minded accounts. See DFRLab’s analyses of how white-nationalist events and channels used Twitter/Telegram to coordinate and amplify content; those reports docuмent coordination, not government direction. DFRLab+1 (2) You rely heavily on a single independent investigator (Dustin Nemos). Nemos may compile useful leads, but his work is not a substitute for primary evidence (payments, emails, intercepted orders, or official docuмents). Nemos News Network (3) Your claim that Fuentes was “never arrested or prosecuted” is contradicted by public records showing he was subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 committee and has faced legal charges reported in major outlets — those facts cut against the simple inference that he’s being protected. Southern Poverty Law Center+1

    If you want me to take the “controlled op” claim seriously, show one of the following kinds of evidence: (A) verifiable financial trails linking Fuentes to an agency or actor that benefits strategically from his actions; (B) internal communications or directives proving coordination with an intelligence or political operation; or (C) declassified or leaked docuмents from a credible source showing a directive to run him as an asset. Pattern-spotting and partisan playlists don’t meet the burden. Until you produce that kind of evidence, “controlled op” is an extraordinary inference built on ordinary data.



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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #17 on: September 18, 2025, 07:47:12 PM »
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  • I asked you to show your strongest, credible evidence for calling Nick Fuentes a “controlled op.” What you posted is a list of suspicious behaviors and secondary accounts — but it’s not the extraordinary, verifiable evidence that claim requires.

    A few concrete problems with your argument: (1) showing synchronized messaging or ideological pivots doesn’t prove an actor is being controlled — it could also be organic coordination, opportunism, bots, or amplification by like-minded accounts. See DFRLab’s analyses of how white-nationalist events and channels used Twitter/Telegram to coordinate and amplify content; those reports docuмent coordination, not government direction. DFRLab+1 (2) You rely heavily on a single independent investigator (Dustin Nemos). Nemos may compile useful leads, but his work is not a substitute for primary evidence (payments, emails, intercepted orders, or official docuмents). Nemos News Network (3) Your claim that Fuentes was “never arrested or prosecuted” is contradicted by public records showing he was subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 committee and has faced legal charges reported in major outlets — those facts cut against the simple inference that he’s being protected. Southern Poverty Law Center+1

    If you want me to take the “controlled op” claim seriously, show one of the following kinds of evidence: (A) verifiable financial trails linking Fuentes to an agency or actor that benefits strategically from his actions; (B) internal communications or directives proving coordination with an intelligence or political operation; or (C) declassified or leaked docuмents from a credible source showing a directive to run him as an asset. Pattern-spotting and partisan playlists don’t meet the burden. Until you produce that kind of evidence, “controlled op” is an extraordinary inference built on ordinary data.

    If I asked you to provide those for Fuentes “enemies” (frenemies) like Tucker Carlson, Owen Benjamin, even Charlie Kirk (Fuentes argued this in his earlier years) heck even Donald J. Trump. Could you?

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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #18 on: September 18, 2025, 07:53:57 PM »
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  • If I asked you to provide those for Fuentes “enemies” (frenemies) like Tucker Carlson, Owen Benjamin, even Charlie Kirk (Fuentes argued this in his earlier years) heck even Donald J. Trump. Could you?

    For anyone interested here is a 3hr video on all those in the same group Fuentes, Owen’s etc. with receipts https://nemosnewsnetwork.com/dustin-nemos-victor-hugo-controlled-opposition-from-a-to-z-tucker-carlson-candace-owens-nick-fuentes/

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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #19 on: September 18, 2025, 08:59:10 PM »
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  • For anyone interested here is a 3hr video on all those in the same group Fuentes, Owen’s etc. with receipts https://nemosnewsnetwork.com/dustin-nemos-victor-hugo-controlled-opposition-from-a-to-z-tucker-carlson-candace-owens-nick-fuentes/

    Here's the background on your source of information upon which you make your extraordinary and defamatory claim that Fuentes is a "controlled op."

    • Real name and background: Dustin Nemos is the pseudonym of Dustin Krieger. Reuters+1
    • Association with QAnon: He has been publicly tied to QAnon and has produced content promoting or analyzing QAnon narratives. King's College London+1
    • Platform issues: Due to content that large platforms consider extremist or borderline, he has had bans or de-listings (for example, Amazon removed a book he sold which was promoting QAnon themes). Reuters
    • Monetization and audience: The site clearly is monetized (donations, questionable products, sponsors) and targets an audience interested in sensationalistic narratives. King's College London+3Nemos News Network+3Nemos News Network+3
    • And here for whatever its worth is the guy listed under the video in question as being its "source." Source: Victor Hugo Maverick Artist

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    As an important aside, here is a video of Dustin Nemos in which he goes against Catholic Doctrine regarding Mary the Mother of God! Mariolatry & Catholic Debates UNCENSORED.CHURCH - The Triggering of William Albrecht. @Elliott Hulse - Nemos News Network


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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #20 on: September 18, 2025, 09:08:00 PM »
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  • Here's the background on your source of information upon which you make your extraordinary and defamatory claim that Fuentes is a "controlled op."

    • Real name and background: Dustin Nemos is the pseudonym of Dustin Krieger. Reuters+1
    • Association with QAnon: He has been publicly tied to QAnon and has produced content promoting or analyzing QAnon narratives. King's College London+1
    • Platform issues: Due to content that large platforms consider extremist or borderline, he has had bans or de-listings (for example, Amazon removed a book he sold which was promoting QAnon themes). Reuters
    • Monetization and audience: The site clearly is monetized (donations, questionable products, sponsors) and targets an audience interested in sensationalistic narratives. King's College London+3Nemos News Network+3Nemos News Network+3
    • And here for whatever its worth is the guy listed under the video in question as being its "source." Source: Victor Hugo Maverick Artist

    Since Mat, you are now shifting the argument without explaining some of the points I brought up, like why your hero, who incited a riot on Jan. 6, and never served any Jailtime for it, as in 0, while many of his fans and supporters did.

    I will leave you with this video of proof of at least a gαyOP, with Fuentes on a literal date with a Catboy, I will continue to post videos of verbatim weird things and anomalies your hero has said/done with or without commentary, only because I think you are either a “groyper” of sorts, at minimum of bad will.



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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #21 on: September 18, 2025, 09:38:55 PM »
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  • Since Mat, you are now shifting the argument without explaining some of the points I brought up, like why your hero, who incited a riot on Jan. 6, and never served any Jailtime for it, as in 0, while many of his fans and supporters did.



    I trust most people reading this can see that your source of information does not provide credible proof of your extraordinary claim that Fuentes is in your words a "controlled op."  As for Jan. 6th that you make such a big deal about consider the following: Your claim that Fuentes was “never arrested or prosecuted” is contradicted by public records showing he was subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 committee and has faced legal charges reported in major outlets — those facts cut against the simple inference that he’s being protected. Southern Poverty Law Center+1.  

    I am not shifting the argument as you claim.  Stay focused.  The one and only issue I initially confronted you with and I have not veered from it is your extraordinary and defamatory claim that Fuentes is in your own words a "controlled op."  .


     I asked you to show your strongest, credible evidence for calling Nick Fuentes a “controlled op.” What you posted is a list of suspicious behaviors and secondary accounts — but it’s not the extraordinary, verifiable evidence that claim requires.


    A few concrete problems with your argument: (1) showing synchronized messaging or ideological pivots doesn’t prove an actor is being controlled — it could also be organic coordination, opportunism, bots, or amplification by like-minded accounts. See DFRLab’s analyses of how white-nationalist events and channels used Twitter/Telegram to coordinate and amplify content; those reports docuмent coordination, not government direction. DFRLab+1 (2) You rely heavily on a single independent investigator (Dustin Nemos). Nemos may compile useful leads, but his work is not a substitute for primary evidence (payments, emails, intercepted orders, or official docuмents). Nemos News Network (3) Your claim that Fuentes was “never arrested or prosecuted” is contradicted by public records showing he was subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 committee and has faced legal charges reported in major outlets — those facts cut against the simple inference that he’s being protected. Southern Poverty Law Center+1

    If you want me to take the “controlled op” claim seriously, show one of the following kinds of evidence: (A) verifiable financial trails linking Fuentes to an agency or actor that benefits strategically from his actions; (B) internal communications or directives proving coordination with an intelligence or political operation; or (C) declassified or leaked docuмents from a credible source showing a directive to run him as an asset. Pattern-spotting and partisan playlists don’t meet the burden. Until you produce that kind of evidence, “controlled op” is an extraordinary inference built on ordinary data.
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    I will probably sign off here.  No sense in going on with a person who puts great stock in Dustin Nemos (who argues against Catholic Doctrine on Mary, the Mother of God as seen in the video I already posted) and who at the same time appears to have such an irrational animus against Nick Fuentes who has heroically risked his life and continues to do so by pushing the envelope in exposing the Jєωιѕн Question.





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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #22 on: September 18, 2025, 09:52:01 PM »
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  • Since Mat, you are now shifting the argument without explaining some of the points I brought up, like why your hero, who incited a riot on Jan. 6, and never served any Jailtime for it, as in 0, while many of his fans and supporters did.

    I will leave you with this video of proof of at least a gαyOP, with Fuentes on a literal date with a Catboy, I will continue to post videos of verbatim weird things and anomalies your hero has said/done with or without commentary, only because I think you are either a “groyper” of sorts, at minimum of bad will.



    Yeah, Fuentes was also caught accidentally showing a screen on TV one time that had a tab open to some gαy porn.  Fuentes strikes pretty high on the old gαydar, that's for sure ... and I know for a fact that many who claim to be "asɛҳuąƖ" are in fact closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, as I actually knew one or two of these.  When they were suspected, they insisted they were asɛҳuąƖ, only to have been exposed later as straight homos.

    Fuentes was a guy I would have like to believe was legit, but was disappointed.  I should have accepted my own usual rule of thumb that ... if ANYONE because famous or well known in the media, social media, or otherwise, that he was permitted to do so because he's playing the role of SOME kind of an asset.  If anyone were a true threat to them, they'd be discredited, would never get any media exposure, would not be permitted to become famous, would live in obscurity, such as, say, a Jeff Rense, and ... if by some chance, a fluke, they got through these firewalls, they'd simply be eliminated, or otherwise discredited by some faked scandal.

    I had hoped Fuentes was an exception, but I was pretty naive to believe that.  There are no exceptions, and the CIA declared they controlled anybody who was anybody in the media already in the 1960s and 1970s, much less now.

    He was also quite suspicious in terms of his interactions with Kanye, where he comes out of nowhere and then brings him onto the Alex Jones show wearing that bizarre hood, which was nothing less than a sign that he had been brought back under control ... by Fuentes, who then became his handler, and evidently followed through on the threat to drug him out of his mind, as he literally lost it after that.  After Kanye got wrecked, Fuentes just disappeared.  Fuentes has also had dinner with Trump in connection with that mission.

    Fuentes serves as a higher-level gatekeeper than some of the lower-level Jew gatekeeper shills like Alex Jones, Candace Owens, Kirk, etc.  He's up at the next level for those who end up seeing through the level beneath him.


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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #23 on: September 18, 2025, 09:53:02 PM »
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  • I trust most people reading this can see that your source of information does not provide credible proof of your extraordinary claim that Fuentes is in your words a "controlled op."  As for Jan. 6th that you make such a big deal about consider the following: Your claim that Fuentes was “never arrested or prosecuted” is contradicted by public records showing he was subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 committee and has faced legal charges reported in major outlets — those facts cut against the simple inference that he’s being protected. Southern Poverty Law Center+1

    I am not shifting the argument as you claim.  Stay focused.  The one and only issue I initially confronted you with and I have not veered from it is your extraordinary and defamatory claim that Fuentes is in your own words a "controlled op."  .


    I asked you to show your strongest, credible evidence for calling Nick Fuentes a “controlled op.” What you posted is a list of suspicious behaviors and secondary accounts — but it’s not the extraordinary, verifiable evidence that claim requires.


    A few concrete problems with your argument: (1) showing synchronized messaging or ideological pivots doesn’t prove an actor is being controlled — it could also be organic coordination, opportunism, bots, or amplification by like-minded accounts. See DFRLab’s analyses of how white-nationalist events and channels used Twitter/Telegram to coordinate and amplify content; those reports docuмent coordination, not government direction. DFRLab+1 (2) You rely heavily on a single independent investigator (Dustin Nemos). Nemos may compile useful leads, but his work is not a substitute for primary evidence (payments, emails, intercepted orders, or official docuмents). Nemos News Network (3) Your claim that Fuentes was “never arrested or prosecuted” is contradicted by public records showing he was subpoenaed by the Jan. 6 committee and has faced legal charges reported in major outlets — those facts cut against the simple inference that he’s being protected. Southern Poverty Law Center+1

    If you want me to take the “controlled op” claim seriously, show one of the following kinds of evidence: (A) verifiable financial trails linking Fuentes to an agency or actor that benefits strategically from his actions; (B) internal communications or directives proving coordination with an intelligence or political operation; or (C) declassified or leaked docuмents from a credible source showing a directive to run him as an asset. Pattern-spotting and partisan playlists don’t meet the burden. Until you produce that kind of evidence, “controlled op” is an extraordinary inference built on ordinary data.
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    I will probably sign off here.  No sense in going on with a person who puts great stock in Dustin Nemos (who argues against Catholic Doctrine on Mary, the Mother of God as seen in the video I already posted) and who at the same time appears to have such an irrational animus against Nick Fuentes who has heroically risked his life and continues to do so by pushing the envelope in exposing the Jєωιѕн Question.





    You are a cult follower and If you are going to take it in that direction, Fuentes is a conciliarist at best a crypto Jew at worst. And I can provide a dossier of even worse blasphemy he has said on the record, worse then what you provided above, along other disgusting statements.

    Again I will say you are deliberately shifting the standard of proof to something no public analyst could ever produce. By your standard, no one could call anyone a controlled op until the CIA itself published its orders. That is dishonest. The correct standard is the same one intelligence professionals, journalists, and prosecutors use every day: patterns of protection, anomalous treatment, and strategic utility to the regime.

    Let’s stay on the facts:
       1.   Fuentes was subpoenaed. Correct. But a subpoena is not an arrest, not a prosecution, and carries no criminal penalty. Many figures subpoenaed were later indicted. Fuentes was not. That is precisely the anomaly.
       2.   Fuentes was never arrested or charged despite (a) publicly calling for January 6th attendance, (b) being on Capitol grounds, and (c) receiving hundreds of thousands in flagged Bitcoin transfers from a foreign donor later investigated by Chainalysis. Other far lesser figures are sitting in prison. He is not. That is not “ordinary data,” that is extraordinary immunity.
       3.   SPLC and corporate media “legal charges” claim. Show me the docket. To this day, no criminal indictment exists against Fuentes for January 6th or related activities. He walked away untouched. That is the definition of protected.
       4.   FBI informants in his circle. His own close associates were relaying information to the FBI. That is not conspiracy theory. That is on record. That means federal eyes were on him constantly. And yet—again—no consequences.
       5.   Patterns. Controlled opposition is never revealed with a receipt labeled “CIA Asset #47.” It is revealed by exactly what we see: someone who absorbs the energy of a movement, redirects it into political dead ends (Trump rallies, optics debates, personality cults), and is shielded from the punishment that destroys everyone else around him.

    You ask for “financial trails.” We already have one: 13.5 BTC from a French donor, part of flagged transfers to groups tied to January 6th. That is a financial anomaly so large that federal authorities could have destroyed Fuentes overnight if they chose. They did not.

    Finally, on your appeal to Fuentes’ supposed “heroism” in “pushing the envelope on the Jєωιѕн Question”: every serious infiltrator in history has gained credibility by saying true things. That is how infiltration works. What matters is not what truths he mouths, but what consequences he consistently shields the system from. Fuentes never targets the ѕуηαgσgυє itself, only the political puppets. He keeps his followers trapped in American electoral theater. That is precisely what a handler would want.

    So the extraordinary evidence you demand is already before your eyes:
       •   No arrest when others were jailed.
       •   Federal informants inside his circle.
       •   Six-figure flagged Bitcoin inflow.
       •   Strategic function of neutralizing dissent into politics.

    That is not ordinary data. That is the textbook profile of a controlled operation.

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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #24 on: September 18, 2025, 09:56:35 PM »
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  • Yeah, Fuentes was also caught accidentally showing a screen on TV one time that had a tab open to some gαy porn.  Fuentes strikes pretty high on the old gαydar, that's for sure ... and I know for a fact that many who claim to be "asɛҳuąƖ" are in fact closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, as I actually knew one or two of these.  When they were suspected, they insisted they were asɛҳuąƖ, only to have been exposed later as straight homos.

    Fuentes was a guy I would have like to believe was legit, but was disappointed.  I should have accepted my own usual rule of thumb that ... if ANYONE because famous or well known in the media, social media, or otherwise, that he was permitted to do so because he's playing the role of SOME kind of an asset.  If anyone were a true threat to them, they'd be discredited, would never get any media exposure, would not be permitted to become famous, would live in obscurity, such as, say, a Jeff Rense, and ... if by some chance, a fluke, they got through these firewalls, they'd simply be eliminated, or otherwise discredited by some faked scandal.

    I had hoped Fuentes was an exception, but I was pretty naive to believe that.  There are no exceptions, and the CIA declared they controlled anybody who was anybody in the media already in the 1960s and 1970s, much less now.

    He was also quite suspicious in terms of his interactions with Kanye, where he comes out of nowhere and then brings him onto the Alex Jones show wearing that bizarre hood, which was nothing less than a sign that he had been brought back under control ... by Fuentes, who then became his handler, and evidently followed through on the threat to drug him out of his mind, as he literally lost it after that.  After Kanye got wrecked, Fuentes just disappeared.  Fuentes has also had dinner with Trump in connection with that mission.

    Fuentes serves as a higher-level gatekeeper than some of the lower-level Jew gatekeeper shills like Alex Jones, Candace Owens, Kirk, etc.  He's up at the next level for those who end up seeing through the level beneath him.

    I was deceived as well, which is what probably fuels any disdain I have for this golden calf.

    Always refreshing to hear from someone else who gets it.




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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #25 on: September 18, 2025, 10:00:00 PM »
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  • Fuentes serves as a higher-level gatekeeper than some of the lower-level Jew gatekeeper shills like Alex Jones, Candace Owens, Kirk, etc.  He's up at the next level for those who end up seeing through the level beneath him.

    EXACTLY.


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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #26 on: September 18, 2025, 10:18:49 PM »
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  • Yeah, Fuentes was also caught accidentally showing a screen on TV one time that had a tab open to some gαy porn.  Fuentes strikes pretty high on the old gαydar, that's for sure ... and I know for a fact that many who claim to be "asɛҳuąƖ" are in fact closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, as I actually knew one or two of these.  When they were suspected, they insisted they were asɛҳuąƖ, only to have been exposed later as straight homos.

    Fuentes was a guy I would have like to believe was legit, but was disappointed.  I should have accepted my own usual rule of thumb that ... if ANYONE because famous or well known in the media, social media, or otherwise, that he was permitted to do so because he's playing the role of SOME kind of an asset.  If anyone were a true threat to them, they'd be discredited, would never get any media exposure, would not be permitted to become famous, would live in obscurity, such as, say, a Jeff Rense, and ... if by some chance, a fluke, they got through these firewalls, they'd simply be eliminated, or otherwise discredited by some faked scandal.

    I had hoped Fuentes was an exception, but I was pretty naive to believe that.  There are no exceptions, and the CIA declared they controlled anybody who was anybody in the media already in the 1960s and 1970s, much less now.

    He was also quite suspicious in terms of his interactions with Kanye, where he comes out of nowhere and then brings him onto the Alex Jones show wearing that bizarre hood, which was nothing less than a sign that he had been brought back under control ... by Fuentes, who then became his handler, and evidently followed through on the threat to drug him out of his mind, as he literally lost it after that.  After Kanye got wrecked, Fuentes just disappeared.  Fuentes has also had dinner with Trump in connection with that mission.

    Fuentes serves as a higher-level gatekeeper than some of the lower-level Jew gatekeeper shills like Alex Jones, Candace Owens, Kirk, etc.  He's up at the next level for those who end up seeing through the level beneath him.

    Lad, I know you are an intelligent individual, but your post mixes some verified incidents with unverified allegations to build an elaborate conspiracy. For example, yes, Nick Fuentes did have a livestream in May 2024 where gαy porn briefly appeared after his stream had ended. He claimed it was due to a hack. 

    He also attended a dinner at Mar-a-Lago with Donald Trump and Kanye West in November 2022, which is well-docuмented. Axios+1 And yes, Kanye wore a hood in a televised interview with Alex Jones, alongside Fuentes, and made antisemitic statements. VICE+1

    But the post then makes leaps that go far beyond what is supported by reliable evidence: claims about sɛҳuąƖ orientation, claims about being part of deep intelligence operations, or of having “handling” control over Kanye or others — those are not backed by credible sources.

    So while there are things in common between your post and reality, the post’s interpretation and the addition of unverified rumors tend to distort and exaggerate. It would be more honest to stick to what is provable, question what isn’t, and not present speculation as fact.


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    Re: Candace remembers Charlie Kirk
    « Reply #27 on: September 18, 2025, 10:19:37 PM »
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  • So let's drop this sanctimonious snowflakery of rending your garments declaring some kind of "extraordinary" and "defamatory" statements about Fuentes.  Fuentes is a big boy, and everybody knows that it's the price of fortune and fame, to be subjected to extaordinary scrutiny.

    We know that there's a presumption that anybody who's at the top echelons in terms of fame, fortune, audience size, funding, etc. ... that AT THE VERY LEAST they pose no threat to the powers that be or their agenda.  If they did, since these powers (by their own admission) control the media, social media, big tech, etc. ... then they would not have been permitted to get so famous, but would have remained in relative obscurity, like a Jeff Rense or the like.  But had they somehow managed to break through those formidable firewalls, they'd simply be eliminated or, if they didn't want to martyrize them, they could hack into their computers (easily, as they have backdoors into everything) and be arrested for child porn on their computer, and hauled out of their office in the old perp walk, completely shamed and discredited, along with whatever message they had.

    Distrusting them and suspecting them is not only permitted, given their potential for negative influence, but even mandatory.  Presidential candidates, for instances, MUST be subjected to extraordinary scrutiny due to the great potential for harm they could pose if some scoundrel gets through, and that sometimes means some false positives.  Priests who exhibit effeminate mannerisms or behaviors ... they should be submitted to scrutiny as well.  Much harm has been done by the false "chawity" of "oh, my, you can't commit detraction".  There's no "detraction" in pointing out that, say, this priests has a lisp, a limp wrist, and registers a 9 on the 1 to 10 gαydar, and if we notice it we even have an obligation to point that out for the public good, instead of getting into this neurotic state of pretending you don't see what you see.

    Now, not all gatekeepers are necessarily willing or wittingly serving as gatekeepers, but that's irrelevant, often something that remain in the internal forum, and will be judged by God.  We simply judged the ACTUAL PURPOSE and ROLE they serve.  Now, sometimes their duplicity and dishonesty comes out when they blatantly contradict themselves or other stuff leaks out, but even then it's less important WHY they're dishonest than simply that they ARE dishonest, harmful, and misleading.

    Some individuals can stop the sanctimonious self-righteous garment-rending about "defamatory" and "extraordinary" claims.  It's morally certain that Fuentes is some kind of gatekeeper or controlled opposition ... whether it's conscious and deliberate, whether he's being used, whether his motivation is to mislead or to lie, or whether he just serves that purpose since he's out for money, paid off, or blackmailed ... we can't know that.  Or he could even just, quite sincerely, be WRONG.  That has no bearing whatsoever on the objective reality of what role he serves, and we leave it up to God to judge his interior dispositions and culpability.

    Declaring that Fuentes is a gatekeeper does not "defame" him in any way ... as he could just as easily be a useful idiot gatekeeper, string along by his avarice or some blackmail to which he's subject, or even just sincerely mistaken.  But that doesn't change the fact that he's a gatekeeper.

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  • So you're requiring a false standard of almost absolute certainty before one can suspect someone of being a gatekeeper.  As pointed out in my previous post, the MERE FACT that he has such fame, audience, funding, etc. ... demonstrates that at the very least he poses no threat to them and most likely is serving as a gatekeeper.  One NEED NOT ascertain their degree of malice, guilt, complicity in order to make that assessment, and when there are enough "dots", even if any given ONE of those dots does not suffice to convict, just like in a court of law, if there are enough pieces of circuмstantial evidence where a picture emerges that the odds of so many individual pieces of evidence are so low that it suffices to preclude all reasonable doubt.  While, as I said, one cannot have absolute certainty, no such certainty is required.  You're demanding smoking gun proof, where it's simply not necessary, as a preponderance of evidence suffices ... but, as I said, EVEN IF he's completely blameless somehow, that simply does NOT change the fact that he's serving a purpose and at the very  least being used for that purpose.  Bottom line is, of all those who are big names in the public arena ...




    For all we know, Fuentes could be completely sincere and blameless ... and is merely being USED for some purpose, but that doesn't change the fact that he's serving that role.

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  • It's morally certain that Fuentes is some kind of gatekeeper or controlled opposition

    I don't have the time to go through all your bad mouthing since I sense it would not change the way you believe regarding Fuentes or one who tries to counter points held against him.  So, I will just key in on your above assertion that: "It's morally certain that Fuentes is some kind of gatekeeper or controlled opposition." 

    I find your use of the term "morally certain" in that blanket statement of yours to be truly extraordinary.  It certainly tells a lot about where you are coming from, you a traditional Catholic who presumably knows quite well the profound meaning of that term.  Remember you didn't say something like "I consider it to be a moral certainty ...."  No, you simply said, "It's morally certain..."  (As much as I don't believe Fuentes is a gatekeeper or controlled opposition, I would certainly not be willing to most injudiciously state " It's morally certain that Fuentes is not some kind of gatekeeper or controlled opposition.")