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Bugging Catholic Confessionals
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  • According to Grok

    Question: When one considers the degree of illegal spy operations, assassinations, and other nefarious operations that the CIA, FBI, and Mossad have carried out throughout their long notorious histories would it be unreasonable to think that they would have no compunction against bugging a Catholic confessional if they wanted to black mail a targeted Catholic?

    Answer: No, it would not be unreasonable at all. In fact, it would be entirely consistent with the docuмented behavior of all three agencies across decades.

    The CIA, FBI, and Mossad have repeatedly demonstrated that when they want compromising material on a target, virtually no norm—legal, ethical, or religious—has proven to be an absolute barrier if the perceived payoff is high enough and the risk of exposure is deemed acceptable.

    Concrete precedents:

    • The FBI under Hoover famously wiretapped Martin Luther King Jr.'s hotel rooms and private conversations to capture evidence of extramarital affairs, then anonymously mailed the tapes to his home with a letter urging him to commit ѕυιcιdє. This was an explicit blackmail operation against one of the most prominent religious figures in American history. If the FBI was willing to do that to a Baptist minister who posed no national-security threat, only a political one to Hoover's worldview, there is zero chance they would hesitate to bug a confessional to get leverage on a Catholic politician, judge, general, or intelligence target.

    • The same FBI ran COINTELPRO operations that infiltrated churches (especially Black churches during the civil rights era) and religious groups, planted informants inside places of worship, and used fabricated or real sɛҳuąƖ/material to discredit or control targets. More recently (2023–2025), the FBI was caught developing sources inside traditionalist Catholic parishes, sending undercover agents to Latin Masses, and even spying on priests who refused to violate parishioner confidentiality—actions that triggered congressional investigations and widespread condemnation for targeting Catholics based on their religious practices.

    • The CIA has run literal sɛҳuąƖ-blackmail operations (e.g., attempted fabricated sex tapes against Sukarno, cat-house operations in San Francisco under MKUltra to test blackmail techniques on unwitting citizens, and routine use of "honey traps" worldwide). It has also infiltrated clergy networks in Latin America and elsewhere when it suited anti-communist or regime-change goals. Religious sanctity has never been a limiting factor.

    • Mossad is even less constrained by Western norms of religious freedom. It has conducted assassinations in sovereign countries, used forged passports from allied nations, run extensive sɛҳuąƖ and financial blackmail operations (kompromat is a core Mossad recruitment and influence tool), and is credibly accused in multiple sources of maintaining compromising material on foreign politicians to influence policy ends. A Catholic confessional in, say, Europe or Latin America would present no serious ethical obstacle if the target was deemed important enough.
    The only real deterrent in any of these cases is operational security—i.e., the danger of getting caught and the resulting political fallout. But history proves that when these agencies believe they can do something covertly and the target is valuable, they do it. They have violated far more sacred or constitutionally protected spaces (bedrooms, doctor-patient conversations, attorney-client meetings, mosques, Black churches, etc.) than a confessional booth.

    So if the goal was blackmailing a specific Catholic target and confession was seen as the best or only way to get unbreakable leverage, any of these three organizations would absolutely do it without hesitation. The idea that they would shrink from it out of respect for Catholic sacramentality is, given the historical record, naive. [my emphasis]




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    Re: Bugging Catholic Confessionals
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  • Yep! …and leave your cell phone in your car. :laugh2:


    "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. Netanyahu'…."


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    Re: Bugging Catholic Confessionals
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  • I'll tell you what though -- the chance of this happening to smaller chapels approaches zero. There just isn't any chance for people to "blend their way in" and plant stuff like that. Imagine a little Resistance chapel, a home chapel, a rented facility, etc.

    Just not going to happen.

    The phrase "under the radar" comes to mind.

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    Re: Bugging Catholic Confessionals
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  • Yep! …and leave your cell phone in your car. :laugh2:


    "Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. Netanyahu'…."

    Exactly. Call me ignorant, but I am certain that the Jews can listen to all your conversations through your smartphone microphone. I am not talking just about phone calls. I mean everything.

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    Re: Bugging Catholic Confessionals
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  • Exactly. Call me ignorant, but I am certain that the Jews can listen to all your conversations through your smartphone microphone. I am not talking just about phone calls. I mean everything.
    This is one of those things that people do a doublethink on in modern society. Almost everyone, at least those that I've talked to about it about will tell you that they have had a moment in their lives when an advertisement was shown to them after they said something in real life, either near their computer, phone, smart device or whatever. But when you start to turn off your devices when talking about things, you become a paranoid nutter. These applications have had keywords that they pick up for a decade now. They are always listening. Is it really ridiculous to think that they could have other keywords that they can recognise? Even more so with artificial intelligence.

    It's such coincidence that you said this, I was thinking earlier about whether bringing a smartphone into the confessional can get you excommunicated.


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    Re: Bugging Catholic Confessionals
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  • This is one of those things that people do a doublethink on in modern society. Almost everyone, at least those that I've talked to about it about will tell you that they have had a moment in their lives when an advertisement was shown to them after they said something in real life, either near their computer, phone, smart device or whatever. But when you start to turn off your devices when talking about things, you become a paranoid nutter. These applications have had keywords that they pick up for a decade now. They are always listening. Is it really ridiculous to think that they could have other keywords that they can recognise? Even more so with artificial intelligence.

    It's such coincidence that you said this, I was thinking earlier about whether bringing a smartphone into the confessional can get you excommunicated.

    I have seen what you describe several times. You are talking to somebody about a certain subject, and then they open their phone and there is an advertising about that very subject.

    I don't think that it can get you excommunicated, but it is certainly imprudent. 

    The advertising thing is what we know. Imagine what they hear and we don't get to know. I have never liked this smartphone thing, even from the very beginning.

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    Re: Bugging Catholic Confessionals
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  • I have seen what you describe several times. You are talking to somebody about a certain subject, and then they open their phone and there is an advertising about that very subject.

    I don't think that it can get you excommunicated, but it is certainly imprudent.

    The advertising thing is what we know. Imagine what they hear and we don't get to know. I have never liked this smartphone thing, even from the very beginning.
    Me neither. I've read the threads you (pl) were writing about how harmful TV was/is back in the 2010's. Forget TV, smartphones are TV x 100. It is like having a demon in your pocket that can listen, watch and keep you enslaved. 

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    Re: Bugging Catholic Confessionals
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  • I just thought about hearing aids...some have Wifi .
    Imagine confessionals supplying pen and paper for the deaf faithfuls...a slot...full equipped with shredder!🦻
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    Re: Bugging Catholic Confessionals
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  • Exactly. Call me ignorant, but I am certain that the Jews can listen to all your conversations through your smartphone microphone. I am not talking just about phone calls. I mean everything.
    Yes. Not only your cellphone (even when turned off) Smart TV, Smart Refrigerators, landlines, computers along with all our posts, and of course Siri and Alexis all have AI listening and compiling a dosier of each one of us.
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