Author Topic: Bishops sue Obama (Read 4393 times)

tradlover · « **on:** May 21, 2012, 12:46:39 PM »

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/breaking-cardinal-dolan-ny-cardinal-wuerl-dc-notre-dame-and-40-other-catholic-dioceses

This great that they are fighting Obama.

Do you agree in the way the bishops are handling this?
If not explain how this should be dealt with.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #1 on:** May 21, 2012, 02:55:52 PM »

It's good they're suing, but it would be better if they showed the same contempt for Vatican II and the Bogus Ordo.

songbird · « **Reply #2 on:** May 21, 2012, 07:12:39 PM »

The Catholic church does not practice what it preaches. I am speaking about the New Order Church which is not the Church that Christ founded. It is what man wants. Those who are suing, are putting on a show for you! Truth is, the Catholic church used her rights and chose Marxism. It is not the Federal government telling the Catholic church(new order)what to do. The New Order is serving the Federal Government. The New Order took money from the Federal Government. When an institution takes on the Federal Government, then that institute must follow the federal governments rules. Remember when the catholic schools were offered money, books from the federal government. Remember when we said no to them and kept our schools catholic? Well, the Pope and all the clergy accepted the federal government. Now they must answer to them. The catholic institutions that we once had in the 50's are now of the federal government. The catholic institutions are no longer catholic. They kept the name, known as "identity" so as to keep money coming in to what looked trustworthy to give money to. When Grants are involved, the people's money in a so-called catholic institute, goes to serve the agenda's of the federal government. So, for example, if the federal government is in your school, college, you have to follow their rules, one being that the students must have health and safety taught the federal government way, like contraceptives and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and such. Now, hospitals that have a catholic name are also taking money of the federal government and therefore they follow the rules and such of the federal government. So, they have contraception, sterilization and etc. So, the pope and clergy said yes, to the enemy and this is what we have. Then your dioceses have Charitable organizations and they are not charitable like your CCHD and such. The Catholic word is used again to keep the money coming in and the Charitable orgs give to organizations that support the agendas of the left. Planned Parenthood hides in Domestic Violence org. and that is just one example. We are talking about many organizations, taking money and the money goes into the hidden organizations that are not so hidden if you look. I learnt of this in the 90's and I read federal grants. I saw for myself who was THE organization who was helping the federal government in their left agendas, the New Order church. For those who are still in the New Order, I highly suggest you read your so-called catholic newspapers and read and see where the grants are and the charities supporting United Way, who supports the left agenda. It is true and hard to swallow, that the new order church is anti-family, pro-abort, pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ no matter what they say from the pulpit or the show that they are performing to sue. You will know them by their fruits, and the money trail tells it all.

songbird · « **Reply #3 on:** May 22, 2012, 05:08:45 PM »

For those who think different: Clue : Look into those who are suing. Washington dioceses and their Health Care. Look at any dioceses and you shall see that they are taking into TANF. Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, like the uninsured. When this Federal assistance was implemented in all states, it was the dioceses that signed up their uninsured parishioners. I saw it in 5 of our dioceses in AZ. This happened in the 90's. In their church halls was Planned Parenthood pamphlets and displays of IUDs. Catholics united for FAith video taped the event at least 2 of the 5 churches. Parishioners made long lines and trying to find a place to park was even blocks from the church ( St. Vincent De Paul). TANF enrolls those to see if they (uninsured) can qualify for benefits like State medical, dental, cash, food stamps and such. In order to keep the benefits, under the title of JOBS(they get jobs that we the federal gov't pay the employer to pay the employee) is the stipulation that if you get pregnant, you can lose these benefits. SO, in the Hall of these churches, one of the Catholic's united for faith, saw the writing of a prescription for contraceptives. Now, you can look this up and see that the Catholic Churches ARE IN FACT backing up the FEDERAL GOV't with birth control and they have for decades. So, if these cath. charites and others sue, just know they are putting on a show to see if you will fall for this prank!! The Church is the biggest and well organized to pull off TANF. The clergy want to have us think that they are still pro-life and they are the biggest enemy against the family at this point! Don't give to these charities!! They are not charitable and they are great places to hide the anti-family agenda's of the federal gov't!!

Bill McEnaney · « **Reply #4 on:** July 08, 2012, 09:38:54 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

It's good they're suing, but it would be better if they showed the same contempt for Vatican II and the Bogus Ordo.

I don't feel contempt for the Novus Ordo. But I do pray a pope will abolish it partly because Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci doubt that it conforms to Trent's theology about the Mass. Please see the introduction they write in the Ottaviani Intervention.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/reformof.htm

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 08, 2012, 09:54:27 PM »

Are these the same Bishops who were pro-Obamacare as long as no federal funds would be used for abortion?

songbird · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2012, 10:01:16 PM »

Yes, these are the same bishops, of the New Order.

songbird · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2012, 10:09:08 PM »

Yes, these bishops, who claimed to mind their catholic hospitals, which are no longer catholic, had in their handbook of services for decades services for contraception and sterilization. Then they upped it to abortion and such. Before that the hospitals referred abortions or put it this way, delivered! Yes, show me one bishop who does not give money to the CCHD. This is where the money trail is for the federal agenda. So, a bishop could say, we don't support the federal gov't, we give to the charities. Yes, and then the charities are the federal agendas. Susan Komen was for Planned Parenthood. Did you know that Domestic Violence hides Planned Parenthood and Mom mobile is march of dimes and CCHD is United Way and so, these bishops speak with a fork tongue. They work hard to try to look pro-life. Say your rosaries in front of the dioceses. They are the deliverers.

songbird · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2012, 10:13:49 PM »

Bill: if it is good that they sue, with who's money. You have merger and closing of churches now and will continue for years. Oh, maybe that is how they will do it?! it is like the French Revolution. There is more than one way to skin a cat or that is the way the cookie crumbles. For those who are still in the New Order, there is so much to know. Be careful, for your mind is being toyed with.

TKGS · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2012, 06:09:16 AM »

I agree that this action, i.e., the bishops suing the federal government, is for show. They will ultimately lose their case and then simply complain that they have no choice (or they might not even complain). In the end, the bishops will comply with the federal order, if they aren't already.

Actually, I do not believe that many "Catholic" institutions don't already provide the insurance coverage that is being mandated.

songbird · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2012, 03:19:46 PM »

Are they "Catholic "institutions? I say no! See who financially supports them. Then you will know what they expect of that institution. They keep the name, "Catholic" for money and for show. Catholic Healthcare West, in 1996 fussed over whether they would keep the name "catholic" knowing that they were providing contraceptives and sterilization. The nuns said, well, no one is saying anything so let's keep the name. (Arizona Republic paper of mergers of hospitals). So, they changed their name this year to "Dignity Health". We have morturary's with the word dignity in their name like the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ org.in the church known as dignity. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, hm? Looks like it! But CHW was very much on the band wagon for Family Planning money makers and abortion was finacially supported for some time. I, being stupid, found they were financially supporting abortion in 1996. I had docuмents dating back to 1980 that chummed up to Planned Parenthood through CHW and Phx dioceses. Dioceses took on the state phone numbers and put 5 x 7 ads in their cath. newspaper in 1996 paying into the abortion referrals system known as Baby AZ and also known as the Pregnancy and Breastfeeding hotline of the state. The dioceses said they developed Baby AZ. Hm?! Doesn't matter same phone and same person behind the phone and the same question was answered the same, "Yes, we refer for abortion, we will start with your zip code and etc". Paid for through Mercy Care. Was it stopped? Well, heck no! That was business as usual and going on that I know of since 1987, federal grant and money from March of Dimes and Title X money. Lots of money and the dioceses is not saving souls, just open season on babies!! That is why I say, you will find NO Novus Ordo Bishop in any dicoeses that is Pro-family, not even catholic! It is marxist run and operated.