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Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
« on: March 08, 2016, 08:54:37 AM »
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  • Dear friends,

    Today is His Excellency's 76th birthday.

    Please offer your prayers and sacrifices for him on this day, so that God may continue to grant him good health, courage, enlightenment, peace and joy.

    May God surround him with real friends and crush his ennemies. May He be his consolation in times of contradiction. May He grant him continual growth in holiness and may He unceasingly pour His wisdom in his soul.

    Let us not forget to join to these prayers our gratitude for all graces God has granted His servant in the past.

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    « Reply #1 on: March 08, 2016, 09:30:53 AM »
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    « Reply #2 on: March 08, 2016, 09:33:41 AM »
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    « Reply #3 on: March 08, 2016, 10:14:31 AM »
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  • Thanks for that prayer, Patricius.  H.E. has many enemies within "traditional" Catholic ranks.  He needs our prayers like never before.  

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    « Reply #4 on: March 08, 2016, 10:41:08 AM »
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  • Of course, Our Lord had so many enemies among "his own people" as well. It would be normal for the pagans, such as the Romans, to persecute Our Lord. After all, they were in error, darkness and immorality, whereas Our Lord represented truth, light and goodness, and promoted these.

    But the Chosen People, who had been groomed over centuries to have a true sense of the proper worship of God, the Ten Commandments, all the prophecies and foreshadowing in the Old Testament religion? The Jєωs knew the True God better than any other people -- and yet how many of them persecuted Our Lord when they should have loved him?

    Which hurts more: a stranger hating you, or a family member hating you?

    May Our Lord give to His Excellency all the graces, strength, and consolations necessary to continue to carry his cross alongside Him.

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    « Reply #5 on: March 08, 2016, 10:46:54 AM »
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    « Reply #6 on: March 08, 2016, 11:47:29 AM »
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    The Jєωs knew the True God better than any other people -- and yet how many of them persecuted Our Lord when they should have loved him?

    Which hurts more: a stranger hating you, or a family member hating you?


    Point taken, Matthew.  But the Jєωs, then, were a generation, living in the last days of an ancient Covenant.  It was about to be replaced by a New Covenant in His Blood.  Jesus gave birth to it through His death and Resurrection.

    One can't help but wonder that many in the contemporary, so-called "traditional Catholic movement" may also  be at the end of an era, as well.  The SSPX is over.  The R&R is virtually over, and, maybe, never was.  SVism has been basically discredited and made obsolescent.  Siriism is dopey.  Quite possibly, we have to move on from a fossilized Lefebvrianism, and all of its varied nuances and offshoots.  

    I think that Bp. Williamson and the other two new bishops, given the opportunity, can help us do this.  For me, they echoe the voice of the Shepherd.  Most of the other voices are those of hirelings, who care nothing really for the sheep.  Williamson's is a genuine, voice, interested only in pursuing the truth.  Williamson, for me, is the 'Donald Trump' of the present era, the voice of Catholic tradition future.  But that window of opportunity could close at any time.

    I know I'll get flak for saying these things.  But so what? :thinking:

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    « Reply #7 on: March 08, 2016, 11:49:46 AM »
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    « Reply #8 on: March 08, 2016, 11:54:56 AM »
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  • I just wish BW would give an interview to a tv station, any tv station, and tell the Truth.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 08, 2016, 12:42:50 PM »
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    Matthew:
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    The Jєωs knew the True God better than any other people -- and yet how many of them persecuted Our Lord when they should have loved him?

    Which hurts more: a stranger hating you, or a family member hating you?


    Point taken, Matthew.  But the Jєωs, then, were a generation, living in the last days of an ancient Covenant.  It was about to be replaced by a New Covenant in His Blood.  Jesus gave birth to it through His death and Resurrection.

    One can't help but wonder that many in the contemporary, so-called "traditional Catholic movement" may also  be at the end of an era, as well.  The SSPX is over.  The R&R is virtually over, and, maybe, never was.  SVism has been basically discredited and made obsolescent.  Siriism is dopey.  Quite possibly, we have to move on from a fossilized Lefebvrianism, and all of its varied nuances and offshoots.  

    I think that Bp. Williamson and the other two new bishops, given the opportunity, can help us do this.  For me, they echoe the voice of the Shepherd.  Most of the other voices are those of hirelings, who care nothing really for the sheep.  Williamson's is a genuine, voice, interested only in pursuing the truth.  Williamson, for me, is the 'Donald Trump' of the present era, the voice of Catholic tradition future.  But that window of opportunity could close at any time.

    I know I'll get flak for saying these things.  But so what? :thinking:


    The Church of today is shadowing the Church of the Old Testement.  The positions of Authority were ocuppied by wicked men... The Jєωs of the time rejected Our Lord, for he was a contadiction to their wicked hearts.  And today we see men rejecting the few Good Bishops for the same reasons, IMO.

    I believe that the Mystical Body of Christ is now well into Its Passion.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 08, 2016, 12:53:21 PM »
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    I think that Bp. Williamson and the other two new bishops, given the opportunity, can help us do this.  For me, they echoe the voice of the Shepherd.  Most of the other voices are those of hirelings, who care nothing really for the sheep.  Williamson's is a genuine, voice, interested only in pursuing the truth.  Williamson, for me, is the 'Donald Trump' of the present era, the voice of Catholic tradition future.  But that window of opportunity could close at any time.

    I know I'll get flak for saying these things.  But so what? :thinking:


    Uh, yeah. Those who don't like Trump -- but like +Williamson -- would certainly take umbrage with that.

    +Williamson is not so base, sinful, or principle-less as Trump. I actually fail to see any correlation between the two, aside from the fact that both are male. In terms of virtue, they are polar opposites. Seriously, Trump's vices are of the same magnitude as +Williamson's virtues.

    What's next, are we going to compare Archbishop Lefebvre to Hugh Hefner,  Howard Stern, or Kanye West? Give me a break!

    Have people forgotten everything that used to be common knowledge about Trump? How he wanted/wants his beauty pageant to have smaller swimsuits, etc.? The man is a womanizing pig. He's a proud blowhard full of hot air and bluster.

    The man has been divorced multiple times. And not in a "don't judge, maybe his wife left him" sort of way. No, all the stereotypes hold in his case. Just look at his current (supermodel) wife and you'll understand everything you need to know. He is your stereotypical, superficial pig who divorces and leaves his 40-something wife for a hot pretty young thing. He is 100% superficial and 100% physical -- and morally bankrupt.

    It's disturbing how many Traditional Catholics are genuinely excited about a possible Trump presidency.

    I think some Trads -- and many Americans -- have watched too much TV, specifically reality TV. Even more specifically, Trump's reality TV show. They have a distorted, glamorized view of the man Donald Trump. They see him as a confident, successful, rich man. And they also see him as an outsider (?) which really baffles me, as he's in the back pocket of the Jєωs right next to all the rest of them.

    Trump is working elbow-to-elbow with countless Jєωs to corrupt America to ever-lower levels of immorality. They're all on the same page. Living for this world, living for pleasure, wealth and power. Don't forget that the тαℓмυdic Jєωs in power -- the ones pulling the strings behind the scenes and working towards the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr -- are largely SECULAR. They have no religion. They live for themselves, their race, and for this world. Just like Donald Trump.
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    « Reply #11 on: March 08, 2016, 01:51:19 PM »
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  • I think it ought to have been pretty apparent,  but I guess not.  Maybe I should have explained further.  Trump and +Williamson are in no way to be compared morally or spiritually.  I simply meant, that whereas Trump may well represent the political, economic and social future for secular America, +Williamson represents the way going forward for Catholic tradition

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    « Reply #12 on: March 08, 2016, 04:31:56 PM »
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  • Patricius:
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    But I think that where he and Bishop Williamson have something in common is that they are not afraid of saying what they think, and that they both despise the "vile medias" (+W's expression). They both understand that the Establishment (secular and religious) have betrayed those who trusted in them. They both couldn't care less about what is politically correct. They both are outsiders who do not trust the system anymore, because they see the system only perpetuates the same problems, and that it is time to think outside the box...

    ...I am not saying who people should vote for. This is not a political forum. I am just explaining why I think Hollingsworth has a point about a similarity between Trump and +Williamson.


    Thanks, Patricius, for letting me up for a little air.  Of course I am aware of Trump's reputation.  No knowledgeable person represents him as a paragon of moral virtue.  But the similarities, which I think you intelligently recognize, are there.

    BTW. we Catholics, and Christians in general, have to recognize that not all of our spiritual forefathers were examples of moral probity either.  Reuben went into his own father's concubine.  Judah hired his daughter-in-law for sex, though he was not aware of her identity at the time.  Yet Judah is the father of the the tribe of Judah, from whose line our Lord emerged.  Rahab the harlot was certainly not virtuous, yet she is counted in the line of Christ, as well.  Samson had a few dalliances along the way.  David got Bathsheba's husband killed, so he could have the man's wife. She bore to him Solomon, illegitimately, I might add.  And what can we say about Solomon, except that sɛҳuąƖly this great King of Judah was way over the top.  We've had popes who were absolute moral pariahs.  A number of popes had the wandering eye.  I cite Alexander VI and John XII for starters.  During the Renaissance, you could hardly find a priest who was celibate, much less bishop or cardinal.   A recent pope, of unfond memory, Paul VI, was probably a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ  I could go on, but won't.  So in light of the testimony supplied by prominent Biblical figures  themselves, and numbers of Roman Catholic popes and clergy,  I rest my case.

    I would not huff and puff too indignantly over Trump.  He is at worst imperfect and immoral.  At best, he might, though unwittingly, break decades of bondage to the Jєωs.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 08, 2016, 05:28:34 PM »
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    Bishop Williamson is a GREAT Bishop in the Church of Rome.  Today smoke pours out from this foolish Franciscan's ears with fiery prayers for Bishop Williamson on this his birthday.

    None of our personal biases about him count for a fig.  He has done great things for the Lord.  He has run the race swiftly and is head and shoulders far above us all.






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