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Maybe the best answer to all criticisms against Trump is the great endorsement speech by Doctor Ben Carson today:

http://www.donaldtrump2016online.com/2016/03/fox-friends-march-11-2016.html?m=1

He seems to be an honest man. Someone here called him an idiot a few days ago which I don't think was deserved. He might not be a good choice for president given some gaps in his expertise and there are some things which I simply disagree with him on, but he does strike me as honest and intelligent.

I didn't click your link there, but I just watched 12 minutes of him answering questions about this endorsement. The summary was that he believes Trump is the mostly likely to attract independent votes and his desire to beat the Democrat candidate was his foremost concern. I don't think that's an unreasonable position, but if his Facebook page is any indication, the majority of his fans aren't going to follow his lead. I'm also not convinced that Trump is the most likely to beat the Democrats as many head-to-head polls have said otherwise.

He lost all credibility with me after his "full scholarship" to the USMA story came out.

Maybe some people didn't notice how far "Islam" has gone on the offensive. Trump wants to keep them out and has said so on more than one occasion. This is absolutely anti-NWO.

This reminds me of those lunatics that accuse +Williamson of being Rosicrucian. He (+Williamson) lives and breathes anti-NWO, but that isn't enough for some people. There is an interesting parallel.

 :applause:

 He is the first candidate that isn't under the thumb of La Raza. His income does not depend on increasing the illiterate & anti-intellectual Hispanic culture that raises generation after generation of bastard whores & criminals.

edited: Pat Buchanan wasn't under their thumb either.

Matthew is completely disconnected from reality with his analogies, and I am glad that so many people have pointed it out to him. Given the situation, I think there is something more as to why Matthew takes the position he does. I would question whether it is even him that made the decision. It is so unlike him to not support someone who is vocally anti-mohamedan and anti-AIPAC. Something fishy about it. The real suspicion is confirmed when you notice that the only beef and argument against Trump being a president that he continuously makes is because he has a young "hottie" for a wife. I am sorry but that has a woman's fingerprints all over it, and lacks the rationality that Matthew normally displays.

Quote from: Matthew

Are you referring to the video of Cruz taken after his High School graduation, during which the 18 year old Cruz said a bunch of silly things?

But this isn't about Cruz, it's about Trump and how Trad Catholics (at least 10 of them on CathInfo alone) whole-heartedly support him, some with a great deal of hope and excitement.

Nice attempt to deflect the attention away from Trump, however.

18 is not 8...you are a man at 18.

That is a matter of opinion. An 18 year old is a youth, and youth is full of folly.
There's nothing magical that happens at age 18. You aren't overnight infused with maturity and wisdom during the night before your 18th birthday.

The law even says that a man laying with a woman of 17 is committing "statutory rape". So the law considers a 17 year old to be a child. But magically at 18 everything changes?

I know, in America you're old enough to run up thousands of dollars of debt, old enough to have an abortion (kill) without parental consent, or old enough to kill and be killed in the military. But that doesn't change the objective facts about the actual state of 18 year olds: wet behind the ears, foolish, and next to no experience in REAL life.

Most 18 year olds have been in public school for the previous 13 years. That is about as far from REAL life as it gets.

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Quote from: Matthew

Are you referring to the video of Cruz taken after his High School graduation, during which the 18 year old Cruz said a bunch of silly things?

But this isn't about Cruz, it's about Trump and how Trad Catholics (at least 10 of them on CathInfo alone) whole-heartedly support him, some with a great deal of hope and excitement.

Nice attempt to deflect the attention away from Trump, however.

18 is not 8...you are a man at 18.

That is a matter of opinion. An 18 year old is a youth, and youth is full of folly.
There's nothing magical that happens at age 18. You aren't overnight infused with maturity and wisdom during the night before your 18th birthday.

The law even says that a man laying with a woman of 17 is committing "statutory rape". So the law considers a 17 year old to be a child. But magically at 18 everything changes?

I know, in America you're old enough to run up thousands of dollars of debt, old enough to have an abortion (kill) without parental consent, or old enough to kill and be killed in the military. But that doesn't change the objective facts about the actual state of 18 year olds: wet behind the ears, foolish, and next to no experience in REAL life.

Most 18 year olds have been in public school for the previous 13 years. That is about as far from REAL life as it gets.

I was trying to say he is past puberty not a legal age.  He wasn't a child who was just repeating a crude sɛҳuąƖ comment.

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Matthew is completely disconnected from reality with his analogies, and I am glad that so many people have pointed it out to him. Given the situation, I think there is something more as to why Matthew takes the position he does. I would question whether it is even him that made the decision. It is so unlike him to not support someone who is vocally anti-mohamedan and anti-AIPAC. Something fishy about it. The real suspicion is confirmed when you notice that the only beef and argument against Trump being a president that he continuously makes is because he has a young "hottie" for a wife. I am sorry but that has a woman's fingerprints all over it, and lacks the rationality that Matthew normally displays.

Another ad-hominem, eh?

You can't address any of the points I've made about Trump or try to understand my point of view at all, even if you don't agree with it; instead you have to say, "He must be crazy", or, "His wife must have brainwashed him." That's not very fair or charitable -- have I said any of those things about you guys, even though I'm the one outnumbered at least 15 to 1?

I say you all are the ones disconnected from reality. I believe Trump has pulled the wool over your collective eyes. But that goes without saying, and in my posts I continue to treat the forum at large as a rational body that wants to discuss ideas and facts, rather than engage in ad-hominem emotional attacks on each other.

And no, I strongly disagree with your assumption that every "man's man" will naturally, automatically support Trump. He is the opposite of the kind of man I admire and aspire to be. My hero is more like Bishop Williamson. And as Hollingsworth admitted early on in this thread, they ARE pretty much polar opposites.

He was making a very narrow comparison, but even that narrow comparison I disagree with.

Anyhow, I look at Trump and I see no "reason to hope" at all, just like when I look at Hillary. That is my opinion, and how I see things. I have a right to my opinion, just like you have a right to yours.

You act as if you're right and I'm wrong! How can you say that? Can you see the future and I can't? On the contrary -- we'll see who's right after Trump is elected and nothing changes, eh?

I'm going to try to stop commenting about this subject. It isn't very productive to me. It's not about being right and wrong. In fact, for a long time I was not supportive of Trump. I only recently began to support him. Basically, it comes down to the list of things I mentioned somewhere lost on one of these endless threads. The public positions that Trump has taken are astounding and we couldn't expect that from any other candidate in the near future. I see it as counter-productive to oppose his presidency. I really like what he said at AIPAC, his willingness to work with Putin, and what he said about keeping mohamedans out, along with other things.

Let me reveal some of my more personal reasons that add to what is above (which already was enough). You see, his personal life does not affect me, but other points could gravely affect my future. I'm not talking about his idea to help the jobs by keeping them from setting up shop in Mexico, although this also should be taken into account. You see, when the ridiculous sham of marriage was passed last summer, this did indeed affect Americans living abroad with foreign spouses. Now, if I decide to file the papers for my wife and I to reside in the U.S., I will have to wait in line with Lord only knows how many degenerates waiting to bring their ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to the U.S. The whole immigration system was already complicated and then that. The amoral liberals love to talk about how people should stay out of people's bedrooms because it has nothing to do with them. In my case, those bogus "marriage" laws could mean the difference between my family waiting outside the U.S. 5 to 10 years to get in, should I choose to come back. I think the average expected wait is something like 2 1/2 years now. So, when one of these militant leftists or war monger puppets gets in there and starts accepting more and more refugees and granting amnesty or accepting tons of illegal immigrants, this will affect me personally. I've crossed borders illegally. Illegals want something that they are not willing to give in their own countries. My wife will do it the legal way. Those who don't do it the legal way, frustrate the system for those who don't. This is why there are Latinos that support Trump. Many legal immigrants are sick of the illegal immigrants making it harder for everyone.

So, on one hand, I like what Trump is saying when he challenges the media and liberals. On the other hand, keeping those liberals from accepting huge influxes of immigrants is important to my personal life. It's my opinion that my motive is superior to yours. You haven't said much except that you worry about the morality of the country, etc. It is ridiculous to blame the degenerative culture of the U.S. on Trump. I'm sure he has very little culpability in that matter.

I stick by my original opinion that your attitude about this is highly unlike you. You couldn't even admit that you like it that he wants to keep mohamedans out. I'm surprised really. It is extremely odd, given your usual stance for the Truth. There is Truth in wanting to restrict false religions, even when the immoral does it.

I am not going to put any more time into the topic.

...I just wish you had as much clarity of thought when it comes to Trump!

(o:

Seriously, from all the posts that I saw, it really looks like we can make the following observations:

1-Anti-Trump comments all deal with his personality (his sins, his scandals, his supposed links to secret societies, his supposed hyprocrisy, etc. etc.). They basically don't want to trust him, and don't even want to learn his positions.

2-Pro-Trump comments all deal with his doctrine and positions. They acknowledge his personal flaws and sins, but they go beyond the "supposed" stuff he is being accused of and all the other "what ifs?" and "maybe he is..." type of objections.

I find it to be completely the opposite.

 Donald Trump’s A Democrat In Disguise, Based On These Liberal Quotes.

1. Donald Trump on Universal Healthcare: “Everybody’s got to be covered, this is an un-Republican thing I’m going to say, I’m going to take care of everybody.”

When asked, ‘Who pays for it?’ Trump flatly replied, “the government’s going to pay for it.”
— CBS, “60 Minutes,” 9/27/2015  

“The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans… We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan.”
—Writing in his book, The America We Deserve, January 2000

 “I’m very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal health care.”
—Interview with CNN’s Larry King, October 1999.



11. Donald Trump on immigration and the DREAM Act: “For people that have been here for years, that have been hard workers, have good jobs, are supporting a family, it’s very, very tough to just say ‘you have to leave, get out.’ How do you throw someone out that’s lived in this country for 20 years, you just can’t throw everybody out.”
— Fox News, June 18, 2012.

9. Donald Trump on Obama’s economic stimulus: “I thought he did a terrific job […] I thought he was strong and smart, and it looks like we have somebody that knows what he is doing finally in office, and he did inherit a tremendous problem. He really stepped into a mess, Greta [Van Susteren].
Fox News, 2/9/2009

7. Donald Trump on who’s the most qualified to make a nuclear deal with Iran: “Hillary Clinton. Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people, I think Hillary would do a good job.”
CNN, “The Situation Room,” 9/24/2007

8. Donald Trump on liberal Nancy Peℓσѕι:

“Nancy — you’re the best. Congrats. Donald.”
—Handwritten note to Speaker Nancy Peℓσѕι, January 2007

“I’m very impressed by her [then-House Speaker Nancy Peℓσѕι], she’s a very impressive person. I like her a lot.
CNN, “The Situation Room,” 9/24/2007

 
3. Donald Trump on whether he’s a Democrat or a Republican: “In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat.”
— CNN, “The Situation Room,” 3/21/2004

10. Donald Trump on the Democrats’ economic policies: “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats. …But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we’ve had some pretty bad disasters under the Republicans.”
— CNN, “The Situation Room,” 3/21/2004

4. Donald Trump on guns and background checks: “I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s internet technology we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record.”
— Donald Trump, “The America We Deserve,” 2000

2. Donald Trump on taxing the rich: “Well, basically, this would be a one-time tax, 14.25 percent against people with a net worth of over 10 million […] It would pay off in its entirety the national debt of $5.7 trillion, and you’d save $200 billion a year. So taxes for the middle class would go way down, the estate and inheritance tax totally wiped out, and the Social Security system would be saved.”
— NBC, “Good Morning America,” 11/10/1999

5. Donald Trump on quitting the GOP: “I really believe Republicans are just too crazy […] I mean, hey, I lived in New York City, Manhattan all my life, okay? So my views are a little bit different than if I lived in Iowa, perhaps.”
— NBC, “Meet the Press,” 10/1999

6. Donald Trump on abortion, including Partial Birth Abortion: “I’m very pro-choice. I am pro-choice in every respect.”
— NBC, “Meet the Press,” 10/1999


9) “By imposing a one-time 14.25 percent net-worth tax on the richest individuals and trusts, we can put America on sound financial footing for the next century.”
—Writing in his book, The America We Deserve, January 2000


10) “I think he [Obama] has a chance to go down as a great president.”
—Interview with NY1, November 2008

"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families," Trump said.

Yes, your man Trump advocated killing innocent civilians.  Recently.