Author Topic: Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh? (Read 21259 times)

Mark 79 · « **Reply #75 on:** March 11, 2016, 08:27:58 PM »

The Zionists have ensured that every visible presidential candidate is a slobbering catamite for the Zionist agenda. Every one of them is a sycophantic dirt bag.

Since some admire Trump, I thought you might be interested in this very well-referenced article about Trump's connections to organized crime:

Donald Trump and The Palm Beach Homies
http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/03/09/donald-trump-palm-beach-homies/

Matthew · « **Reply #76 on:** March 11, 2016, 08:28:46 PM »

Another thing I should point out --

Yes, it is not unprecedented for a President of the United States -- or candidate for this office -- to be divorced.

But Ronald Reagan is deceased, and McCain isn't running in this election.

The question is, what choices do we have this election cycle for our next President?

Have any of the other candidates been divorced? That is what we should ask ourselves, as part of informing our decision-making process before deciding who to support.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #77 on:** March 11, 2016, 08:50:13 PM »

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And, by the way, in spite of the fact that he is Donald Trump he can't do much of anything that he claims he will do without congressional consent.
But you are right in that he has "risen people's interest." The opiate for the masses.

If I could give a "thumbs up" for this 10,000 times, I would spend the time to click 10,000 separate times. It's just shocking to me how many of y'all are trumping for Trump. You WANT to believe good things, therefore you do. But there's no factual basis for any of your exuberance over him. The lack of rational thought is mind boggling. I wish we were back in the days where only property owners had votes, because America would be better off without emotional votes.

And, quit saying that a 'No' vote to Trump is a vote for Hillary. That's the true tragedy of american politics - 40% of voters consider themselves independent. Meaning, they don't like DEMs or REPs. If only the 40% would vote independent or constitution party, for a normal, regular guy, he'd win by a landslide. But, the 'powers that be' have everyone convinced that "everyone else" is going to vote DEM or REP, so they have to as well. Tragic. And totally illogical.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #78 on:** March 11, 2016, 08:57:45 PM »

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Another thing I should point out --

Yes, it is not unprecedented for a President of the United States -- or candidate for this office -- to be divorced.

But Ronald Reagan is deceased, and McCain isn't running in this election.

The question is, what choices do we have this election cycle for our next President?

Have any of the other candidates been divorced? That is what we should ask ourselves, as part of informing our decision-making process before deciding who to support.

Your decision is based one hundred percent off of his personal life, which I had no clue about until I read your posts, and not his policies. His personal life affects you in no way whatsoever. The policies of the next president will. I think you are being really, extremely shallow-minded in this matter. I would even go so far as to say it is effeminate.

As if everything boils down to if he has been divorced or has a young hottie. I think there is something more to it that you're holding back on saying as for your reason to not being in favor of a Trump presidency.

St Ignatius · « **Reply #79 on:** March 11, 2016, 09:20:49 PM »

Matthew, with all due respect, we seem to be living in two different countries. The one I'm living in was founded on freemasonic principles, has NEVER been a Christian nation. It adopted "Liberal Democracy" which is condemned by the Church. It has been tolerant of all religions except for the Catholic religion. It has been the primary tool of the Global Elite to use against all of its adversaries around the world for over a century, it has not been a sovereign nation for nearly a century. It has been the primary petri-dish for the cultivation of todays rotten culture in the West.

Now, being the "Mayor of real-ville," I can't seem to grasp how you can possibly assume that our present circuмstances can possibly produce the desired results that you anticipate. I don't disagree with your desires, they should be of all of us Catholics. Although, we must recognize that we have now been reduced to a state of absolute barbarism. I believe that due to the current circuмstances, one must hope to reduce the greater evils at play. I believe you put ones personal sins at a more serious nature than those sins which are against the common good, or should I rather say, sins against society.

I don't believe that most here are what you say they are, "Trump supporters," rather ones who see the depths of evil which our current politicians have involved themselves with. I'm sure I could expound further on this, but I think it will give you an idea what I'm trying to get at.

Charlotte NC Bill · « **Reply #80 on:** March 11, 2016, 09:48:30 PM »

I couldn't agree w/St. Ignatius more. And this idea that people who favor Trump are saying that " a vote against Trump is a vote for Hillary" (What??) A little research will lead to the opposite conclusion; rather it's the Republican Establishment that would rather have Hillary than Trump. Hill's a neocon, brags about how she and Obama destroyed Libya and murdered it's leader. ( a Col. that we helped put in power, protected Christians and was framed btw for Pan Am 103 and the German discoteque bombing ). She's a female version of McCain on Iran and all things the neocons care about. Trump would, for the most part, stop meddling in the affairs of other nations...thinks Putin is doing a good job of wrapping up ISIS for us..( the ISIS/al-Nusra types that the US and Saudis/Qataris recruited, equipped and sent into Libya as a template for the next operation-Syria..)
Trump realizes these new vaccines aren't like the much less harmful, less risky ones that we got as kids. Trump is at least partially aware. Meanwhile phonies like Glenn Beck are hosting Ted Cruz rallies...There's really no comparison. And this idea that a Constitution or Green Party candidate has any chance in a presidential election is beyond far-fetched.
This spectacle in Chicago is pretty interesting. Listened to the coverage on the way home from Church ( about 8:30pm )..The MSNBC coverage of it ( Maddow, Mathews ) seems like it came from an alternative universe. A rowdy, violent leftist crowd showed up seeking to deprive other Americans of the right to free speech and assembly. Trump took the side of caution and called off the event....And Maddow and Matthews made him out to be the bad guy..If anything the anarchistic crowd only convinced more people that we need a man like Trump in the White House. :reporter:

MaterDominici · « **Reply #81 on:** March 11, 2016, 09:49:44 PM »

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Matthew's wife shilling for Rafael really illustrates why women shouldn't get involved in politics. Trump is a leader of men and a nationalist. His campaign represents the triumph of blood over money and a last-ditch opposition to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. Despite a lifetime spent wallowing in worldly culture, he displays many admirable qualities and I would gladly support him were I an American citizen.

How dare you speak out against Women's rights!!!

Good point.

Gentlemen, it's a difference of priorities. I think the biggest obstacles to saving my children's souls are the decline of morality in America and I do believe that electing a person who embodies the behaviors which send the majority of souls to Hell is a step in the wrong direction.

Sorry Mater Dominici, but I think the biggest obstacle to saving our children's souls is no the lack of morality. It is the lack of true doctrine. Because there can be no morality if you don't have true doctrine. Why? Because when you leave/ignore true doctrine, you are taking yourself as guide, and not the eternal principles given by God. Laxity/choice in doctrine reveals you make yourself God. You become the center of your universe. Thus you can see no reason why you could not set your own rules of morality. Your ego becomes the justification for everything. The first sin is, indeed, to consider oneself as the yardstick of truth. There is already immorality there.

I think the greatest trap for our children's souls comes from "decent" heretics. Because their most grievious sin, unbelief in God's only true Church, is wrapped under the pretense of moral virtue. Thus children are led to believe you can be a "good" person even if you belong to a sect. There is only one more step for them to make, and it is to believe that all religions are good. And that is a most grievious sin. The sin of our modern age: Liberalism.

Therefore, a guy like Cruze is much more dangerous for the salvation of our children than Donald Trump, who is an obvious sinner, and who doesn't really know religion. Nobody is fooled by Trump. Everybody sees him for what he is. There is therefore no danger of a temptation to take him as a role model, or as a saint. Therefore, no temptation in his case to make us believe that a sect can produce "decent" people. No temptation to forget that the most important of our duties is to believe/adhere to the one true Church. (In fact, in his case, there would be more chances that people would see that a sect cannot produce good fruits).

It is very difficult to convert a heretic who really knows/believes the teachings of his sect, especially if he sees himself as "decent". A guy like Trump, who doesn't really know and care about religion, and who is living in sin, has more chances, especially when faced with great trials, to wake up and search/turn towards the Truth, and eventually convert. And we know such trials will be plenty if he reaches the White House.

One thing that shows he could redeem himself, especially since he is not really attached intellectually to a sect (he says "Two Corinthians"), is that he is willing to put his whole life on the line for the sake of the country. He is financing his campaign himself. He is risking millions of his own dollars, and not those of donors who would later on call back the favors.

A reasonable position. The majority of those I've known who were raised Trad and then left the faith did so because of sins related to the 6th & 9th Commandments. They're common cry is that Catholicism is "unfair" in its demands for purity and marriage. I'm not sure if I know anyone who has moved from Trad Catholicism to Protestantism, so I don't really consider it a serious threat.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #82 on:** March 11, 2016, 10:35:18 PM »

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and get on the street to fight for a guy who puts his life on the line to try and save America, or at least slow down the process of her destruction.

You wrote the above and I'M the idealist?! Who lives in a make believe world, you or me?

Your world (at least this is what you sound like you believe):
1) you believe that Trump cares about america more than his global companies' profits
2) you believe that Trump can "do what he says" even though no president, not even George Washington, could fulfill his promises, simply due to the separation of powers in our govt.
3) you believe that Trump cares about the constitution and hasn't flip flopped more times than I can count.
4) you believe when Trump mentions 9/11, 0bama's birth certificate, or vaccinations, he really cares and he ISN'T saying what people want to hear, to get votes.

My world/factual:
1) Trump is an illuminati jew who is running for office for power and fame
2) Trump can only do anything if Congress votes for it. He could issue executive orders, but those are unconstitutional and I wouldn't want this abused anymore than it has been. Too dangerous. But even these are very limited. A president isn't a King, who can do anything.
3) Trump, in the past, supported the Iraq war, abortion rights, gun control, etc etc but he has now "converted" to conservatism.
4) Trump is best friends with the Clintons, every jew in NY and any other influential/politically minded guy in existence. In other words, he's "part of the club". Heck, he may even run the club.

If you really think Trump has anyone's best interests at heart (other than Israel's and his own) you are the one living in a fantasy land, and you probably believe that JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald. Go ahead, keep drinking the kool-aid.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #83 on:** March 11, 2016, 11:08:05 PM »

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I say: Liberals have their ways, it is our time to have it our way. If it means executive orders. So be it.

THIS. Is another reason why I'm against Trump. I don't want a dictator. The only thing holding this country together is a few checks and balances. I want someone sane enough to know what is and isn't against the law and further, pushes power back to the states where it belongs.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #84 on:** March 11, 2016, 11:12:26 PM »

Patricius,
Ha ha. I have facts to back up my claim that he's a hypocrite. You have wishful thinking and 'his word' that he isn't. If I had a penny for every politician who had a 'change of heart' i'd be the wealthiest man on earth.

Also, so you are now for "the end justifies the means" when it comes to law and politics? You're for executive orders, basically turning the presidency into a dictatorship, and you think this is a good idea? If you want a dictator, why don't you move to Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea (even Russia)? This is insanity. Have you ever opened a civics book?

I'll post here the famous conversation of St Thomas More, concerning the importance of law, even when it comes to the devil (or in our case, terrorists).

William Roper: So, now you give the devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

The point is to support the laws/process our country was founded on. It's worked for 250 years. The answer to our current problems are 2: 1) return to morality (which Trump can't fix) and 2) make the Fed govt smaller (which Trump will expand through executive orders, if you have your way). Wishful thinking and trusting in a used car saleman who's running for president is just sad.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #85 on:** March 12, 2016, 12:21:21 AM »

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What is the result of all these laws and checks and balance of yours (MaterDominici)? It's abortion, gαy marriage, obamacare, freedom of all kinds of press-tv-radio-Net, with all the immorality and false doctrines.

Was this question for me?

I absolutely want someone who cares about the law because the law is such that these issues should largely be state issues. We're so far removed from that today that I can't even tell you what things our gov't has done rightly within its power and what it has abused to get us to where we are.

I agree with St. Thomas More about the results of tearing down the laws. To clear all of these "obstacles" out of the way only serves to give the devil an easy, clear path when the tides turn in his favor.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #86 on:** March 12, 2016, 12:24:54 AM »

The system works. Its not ideal but Its not intrinsically evil. Nothings perfect, not even a Catholic monarchy. Yes, the presidential system of voting is flawed, controlled, rigged. But not the whole rest of the system. Theres lots of good that can be done if energy was concentrated locally and on congress. The reason we have problems is due to a neglect of checks and balances not because of the 'rule of law', which exists even in a monarchy.

When I say 'wake up', I'm complaining that people think Trump is any different than what hes been his whole life - a smart, funny, salesman who says whatever it takes to get what he wants. This could be good or bad, depending on how he uses his talents but don't act like hes the 2nd coming of George Washington who's gonna "beat the liberals" and make "america great again". Its empty talk. So save yourself the energy and spend it on political races that matter.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #87 on:** March 12, 2016, 01:04:03 AM »

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The system works. Its not ideal but Its not intrinsically evil. Nothings perfect, not even a Catholic monarchy. Yes, the presidential system of voting is flawed, controlled, rigged. But not the whole rest of the system. Theres lots of good that can be done if energy was concentrated locally and on congress. The reason we have problems is due to a neglect of checks and balances not because of the 'rule of law', which exists even in a monarchy.

When I say 'wake up', I'm complaining that people think Trump is any different than what hes been his whole life - a smart, funny, salesman who says whatever it takes to get what he wants. This could be good or bad, depending on how he uses his talents but don't act like hes the 2nd coming of George Washington who's gonna "beat the liberals" and make "america great again". Its empty talk. So save yourself the energy and spend it on political races that matter.

Here's where this process leaves me scratching my head... First, you find that guy you want to rally behind and he gets elected and then he heads off to Washington or the state capitol. Then, a few years later, he either gets bumped up (say, Speaker of the House) or even runs for another office (say, state up to federal) and now, all of the sudden the guy you were rooting for is described by most as "establishment", by Trads as "NWO" and others as just plain 'ol "politician". Now, short of following every second of the person's political career, how do you know if he was always compromised, compromised after entering office, or is just being smeared by his rivals?

I'll use Rubio as an example since he's tanking now and will probably be out of this soon. I will preface by saying I probably don't know enough about him, and this example might fall flat on its face. What I do know is that he was elected as a "Tea party guy" which usually means he's not interested in the usual Washington methods. All I know about his record is the "gang of 8" issue which tells me that the other 95% of what he did while in office is probably neutral to praiseworthy. Next, he wants to have a go at the presidency. In order to afford this process, you have to take donations, particularly from wealthy people, who often happen to be Jєωιѕн. Now, he's in the thick of it and is labeled "establishment", "NWO", and "politician". All three mean, nasty things and other than one dumb lawmaking decision, I don't see how he could have avoided these characterizations, be they true or not. What should he have done differently other than being independently wealthy? What other things have told you that this guy is "not your man?"

B from A · « **Reply #88 on:** March 12, 2016, 01:21:43 AM »

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I think God may actually be giving us a chance to slow down the decay and the enslavement by giving us Trump.

You need to put away the drugs and face reality. Trump is as conservative as Bush was - which means not at all. You must be part of the catholic population that thinks Benedict was a good pope too.

There is no way, NO WAY, that any 'outsider' is ever becoming president, or even getting a chance to. Last one that had a chance was JFK and he was killed after starting out as an insider and changing his mind.

If you want an example of how an outsider will be treated by the media/party members, look at Ron/Rand Paul. They are ignored, marginalized and forgotten. THIS is what happens to candidates that aren't 'part of the game'. They get no air time, they are ridiculed, they are treated like 2nd rate politicians.

Saying all this is not being a 'defeatist'; it's facing reality. It's also being smart because in the grand scheme of things the presidency is FAR LESS important than your state senate/congress races. And if good people put as much effort into these races, (and local ones too) our country would change in a heartbeat.

Trump may well be playing the 'outsider' game because the NWO knows that people are waking up and they're going to manipulate this feeling, because people are mad that they were duped by 0bama. Trump may very well be taking hits from the media, but as they say in show biz, "there's no such thing as bad publicity" and this whole Trump show is straight out of a hollywood script.

One of the best posts in the thread (other than the 1st few until the topic changed). If not for realistic posts like this and a few others such as Mater's, I would think I was living in the Twilight Zone.

B from A · « **Reply #89 on:** March 12, 2016, 01:22:44 AM »