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Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
« Reply #60 on: March 11, 2016, 05:33:36 PM »
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    The office of President doesn't have as much power as you might think. We're not voting for our next dictator or king. However, they have a lot of power as role models and revered, highly public figures. They influence the nation by their morality, principles, and priorities -- probably more so than they do by the actual power they wield in the government.



    She is a horrible role model for a Catholic woman.  She is militant "feminist" who defines that term as being pro-abortion, pro-contraception, and anti-tradition.

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    « Reply #61 on: March 11, 2016, 05:44:21 PM »
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    The office of President doesn't have as much power as you might think. We're not voting for our next dictator or king. However, they have a lot of power as role models and revered, highly public figures. They influence the nation by their morality, principles, and priorities -- probably more so than they do by the actual power they wield in the government.



    She is a horrible role model for a Catholic woman.  She is militant "feminist" who defines that term as being pro-abortion, pro-contraception, and anti-tradition.


    Indeed she is. She attacks the mind and the soul (feminism, pro-abortion) whereas Trump's current trophy wife merely attacks morality of the flesh. At least being a wh___ doesn't require a fundamental destruction of feminine nature (except for the element of purity, which is certainly important, make no mistake), whereas it is NOT part of feminine nature to put on a pantsuit, compete with men, have a career as a lawyer, and promote the slaughter of the unborn.

    A wh___ could convert and end up a decent woman -- like Mary Magdalen. All she has to do is renounce and repent for her sins against the Sixth Commandment, and of course do adequate penance.

    But a feminist? When one's very thinking and mindset is warped and twisted against her feminine nature? Such a person rarely converts. It's hard to convert to God when every fiber of your being, and all your habits and ways of thinking, rebel against His design for man and woman. The very runway has been destroyed; the airplane of supernatural grace can't land.


    But seriously -- having to choose between Hillary in the White House (communist, feminist, rabidly pro-babykilling, etc.) and a woman who has actually posed nude being our "First Lady" -- kind of like choosing between death by Plague and death by Ebola.
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    Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
    « Reply #62 on: March 11, 2016, 05:48:28 PM »
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    Maybe the best answer to all criticisms against Trump is the great endorsement speech by Doctor Ben Carson today:

    http://www.donaldtrump2016online.com/2016/03/fox-friends-march-11-2016.html?m=1


    He seems to be an honest man. Someone here called him an idiot a few days ago which I don't think was deserved. He might not be a good choice for president given some gaps in his expertise and there are some things which I simply disagree with him on, but he does strike me as honest and intelligent.

    I didn't click your link there, but I just watched 12 minutes of him answering questions about this endorsement. The summary was that he believes Trump is the mostly likely to attract independent votes and his desire to beat the Democrat candidate was his foremost concern. I don't think that's an unreasonable position, but if his Facebook page is any indication, the majority of his fans aren't going to follow his lead. I'm also not convinced that Trump is the most likely to beat the Democrats as many head-to-head polls have said otherwise.

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    « Reply #63 on: March 11, 2016, 05:54:02 PM »
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  • Well, between the arguments supporting the thrice married, previous pro-abort, current owner of a strip club and the claim that Obama is gαy and his wife is a man, I just can't find a side I even understand, let alone agree with.  The only conclusion I can come to is the Social Kingship isn't going to be accomplished here at CathInfo.

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    « Reply #64 on: March 11, 2016, 06:24:38 PM »
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    One thing nobody can deny is that Trump's presence in the race has given a breath of fresh air to politics, and has risen people's interest in it.


    The air isn't fresh. It's stank. This dude said he had nothing in his past for which to ask forgiveness. When asked about his favorite Bible verse he said he loved the whole Bible. He has been married three times, he has changed his positions on everything that should be meaningful to a Catholic, he owns a strip club, and on and on. And, by the way, in spite of the fact that he is Donald Trump he can't do much of anything that he claims he will do without congressional consent.

    But you are right in that he has "risen people's interest." The opiate for the masses.


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    « Reply #65 on: March 11, 2016, 06:48:13 PM »
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  • Nancy was Reagan's second wife and Cindy was McCain's second wife.

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    « Reply #66 on: March 11, 2016, 06:54:15 PM »
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    Nancy was Reagan's second wife and Cindy was McCain's second wife.


    Yes, but Trump is still lowering the bar.

    Nancy was close enough to Ronald in age so that it was hard to tell who was older than who. Not defending divorce here, but Ronald's divorce was more like "it didn't work out" than the classic chauvinist pig cheating on his wife with a secretary, then later divorcing her and marrying some 20-something bimbo he met in a strip club.

    Seriously, Trump's latest wife is not just "another woman" who came into the picture after a marriage he gave up on. His current wife has posed nude. She's a model. I think that is quite different from what Ronald Reagan did.

    Then again, we've all heard about John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton's exploits.

    I'm not familiar with the McCains, so I'll "passover" their case for now. (Nice little dig there at McCain for his extreme "I haven't met a Middle East country I didn't want to bomb" neocon views -- which includes being pro-Israel)
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    « Reply #67 on: March 11, 2016, 07:06:03 PM »
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    Matthew's wife shilling for Rafael really illustrates why women shouldn't get involved in politics. Trump is a leader of men and a nationalist. His campaign represents the triumph of blood over money and a last-ditch opposition to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. Despite a lifetime spent wallowing in worldly culture, he displays many admirable qualities and I would gladly support him were I an American citizen.


    How dare you speak out against Women's rights!!!

    Good point.


    Gentlemen, it's a difference of priorities. I think the biggest obstacles to saving my children's souls are the decline of morality in America and I do believe that electing a person who embodies the behaviors which send the majority of souls to Hell is a step in the wrong direction.


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    « Reply #68 on: March 11, 2016, 07:19:51 PM »
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    Nancy was Reagan's second wife and Cindy was McCain's second wife.


    Yes, but Trump is still lowering the bar.

    Nancy was close enough to Ronald in age so that it was hard to tell who was older than who. Not defending divorce here, but Ronald's divorce was more like "it didn't work out" than the classic chauvinist pig cheating on his wife with a secretary, then later divorcing her and marrying some 20-something bimbo he met in a strip club.

    Seriously, Trump's latest wife is not just "another woman" who came into the picture after a marriage he gave up on. His current wife has posed nude. She's a model. I think that is quite different from what Ronald Reagan did.

    Then again, we've all heard about John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton's exploits.

    I'm not familiar with the McCains, so I'll "passover" their case for now. (Nice little dig there at McCain for his extreme "I haven't met a Middle East country I didn't want to bomb" neocon views -- which includes being pro-Israel)


    Matthew this is silly you are saying being a flagrant adulterer is worse if it's with a younger woman.


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    « Reply #69 on: March 11, 2016, 07:26:06 PM »
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    And now he's in the ring!   :boxer: Welcome Centro... it's good to have your two bits!

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    « Reply #70 on: March 11, 2016, 08:03:09 PM »
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    Matthew's wife shilling for Rafael really illustrates why women shouldn't get involved in politics. Trump is a leader of men and a nationalist. His campaign represents the triumph of blood over money and a last-ditch opposition to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. Despite a lifetime spent wallowing in worldly culture, he displays many admirable qualities and I would gladly support him were I an American citizen.


    How dare you speak out against Women's rights!!!

    Good point.


    Gentlemen, it's a difference of priorities. I think the biggest obstacles to saving my children's souls are the decline of morality in America and I do believe that electing a person who embodies the behaviors which send the majority of souls to Hell is a step in the wrong direction.



    It seems like the moderators are leaning toward favoring a Hillary president. Basically I understand it like this: "I don't care if she is a murderous liar that is militantly in favor of homesɛҳuąƖs and abortion, at least she has only had one divorce and is still with her second husband."
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #71 on: March 11, 2016, 08:06:09 PM »
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    Matthew's wife shilling for Rafael really illustrates why women shouldn't get involved in politics. Trump is a leader of men and a nationalist. His campaign represents the triumph of blood over money and a last-ditch opposition to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. Despite a lifetime spent wallowing in worldly culture, he displays many admirable qualities and I would gladly support him were I an American citizen.


    How dare you speak out against Women's rights!!!

    Good point.


    Gentlemen, it's a difference of priorities. I think the biggest obstacles to saving my children's souls are the decline of morality in America and I do believe that electing a person who embodies the behaviors which send the majority of souls to Hell is a step in the wrong direction.



    Talk about hyprocrisy...this is who your household voted for?

    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #72 on: March 11, 2016, 08:06:55 PM »
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    Matthew this is silly you are saying being a flagrant adulterer is worse if it's with a younger woman.


    Yes, as a matter of fact I am.

    I believe all "remarriage" and adultery are wrong.

    However, it is that much more heinous when it's done with the basest of motives. There are definitely circuмstances which can add to the gravity of a crime.

    Marriage is difficult; some people give up when things get tough, and they have worldly beliefs like, "We were young", "It didn't work out", "Time to move on", etc. Just for starters, most non-Catholics consider divorce to be an option in the first place. They don't believe in the permanence of marriage.

    I don't agree with their thinking, but at least it's socially acceptable to modern worldlings. To prove my point, many times divorces are even "mutual" where the spouses agree it's for the best to end the marriage and for both spouses to find happiness with new partners.

    What I'm saying isn't that much of a stretch. In prison, for example, the criminals there have a special disdain for child molesters. Yes they are ALL convicted felons, or they wouldn't be in prison. But among themselves, they consider child molesters to be the lowest of the low and they treat them accordingly.

    Likewise, a man and a woman (usually non-Catholic) getting divorced and each getting re-married is one thing.

    But the case of a man:
    A) cheating on his wife and then
    B) one-sided divorcing her, only to get remarried to his
    C) supermodel girlfriend
    D) several decades younger than himself -- that's another thing altogether.

    If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you.


    It adds extra malice or evils to the mix.

    So you're saying a man divorcing his wife to marry Jane is the SAME as a man who divorces his wife to marry his wife's sister, or his wife's best friend?

    Or how about a man who divorces his wife and spends big money on lawyers to see she gets nothing, vs. a man who divorces his wife but makes sure she's "taken care of" financially. Obviously the latter is much less evil.

    I think most people can see there are many degrees of evil (even if the "least degree" is a quite woeful state of Mortal sin), even in something like divorce.

    In other news, the Catholic Church doesn't teach that all mortal sins are equally evil. They all merit eternal punishment in Hell, yes, but intentionally missing Mass on Sunday requires different reparation -- and does different long-term damage to your soul -- than killing one's mother.

    Perhaps the "added evils" are only accidentals, which merely ADD to the base gravity of an already serious crime. I'll give you that. But there are certainly ways of adding insult to the grave injury which is divorce.
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    « Reply #73 on: March 11, 2016, 08:09:17 PM »
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    Matthew this is silly you are saying being a flagrant adulterer is worse if it's with a younger woman.


    Yes, as a matter of fact I am.

    I believe all "remarriage" and adultery are wrong.

    However, it is that much more heinous when it's done with the basest of motives.

    Marriage is difficult; some people give up when things get tough, and they have worldly beliefs like, "We were young", "It didn't work out", "Time to move on", etc.

    I don't agree with their thinking, but at least it's socially acceptable to modern worldlings. To prove my point, many times divorces are even "mutual" where the spouses agree it's for the best to end the marriage and for both spouses to find happiness with new partners.

    What I'm saying isn't that much of a stretch. In prison, for example, the criminals there have a special disdain for child molesters. Yes they are ALL convicted felons, or they wouldn't be in prison. But among themselves, they consider child molesters to be the lowest of the low.

    Likewise, a man and a woman (usually non-Catholic) getting divorced and each getting re-married is one thing.

    But the case of a man:
    A) cheating on his wife and then
    B) one-sided divorcing her, only to get remarried to his
    C) supermodel girlfriend
    D) several decades younger than himself -- that's another thing altogether.

    If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you.



    But you voted for Ted Cruz...they guy aspiring to be in the " teen tit films". Give me a break.

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    « Reply #74 on: March 11, 2016, 08:25:06 PM »
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  • Are you referring to the video of Cruz taken after his High School graduation, during which the 18 year old Cruz said a bunch of silly things?

    But this isn't about Cruz, it's about Trump and how Trad Catholics (at least 10 of them on CathInfo alone) whole-heartedly support him, some with a great deal of hope and excitement.

    Nice attempt to deflect the attention away from Trump, however.
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