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Offline BJ5

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Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
« Reply #150 on: March 15, 2016, 12:33:44 PM »
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    Would those be the Catholics who overwhelmingly put Obama in the White House twice?


    I am persuaded that Catholics generally have never been the most enlightened of voters.  And I mean Catholics who went faithfully to the Old Mass.  


    My parents (immigrants) pulled the (D) lever across the board. They still do the same for some reason, even though they don't agree with any of the liberal social positions.

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    Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
    « Reply #151 on: March 15, 2016, 12:38:15 PM »
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    My parents (immigrants) pulled the (D) lever across the board. They still do the same for some reason, even though they don't agree with any of the liberal social positions.


    I rest my case.


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    Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
    « Reply #152 on: March 15, 2016, 02:10:37 PM »
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  • When I was a kid my dad was a JFK Democrat.  At the end of his life he had a Confederate flag hanging in his living room.

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    Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
    « Reply #153 on: March 17, 2016, 01:18:42 PM »
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  • You know what is incredibly laughable to me?

    Those people who said that if I voted for Buchanan, I was voting for Gore... Those people who said if I voted for a third party, I was voting for a Democrat. When I wrote someone in, I was wasting my vote. Last election, I flat out wrote in Ron Paul because he literally got screwed. People still will not even admit that HE was the winner of the Iowa Caucuses!

    I vote for who DESERVES my vote. I have always been an independent spirit, and if Donald Trump can prove to me that he isn't beholden to special interests, and that he is genuine, then whatever his past contains is likely NOTHING compared to many of these career politicians who have had their lives neat and tidy to the public, but have backroom deals going on ad nauseam that any decent person would probably faint to hear about.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
    « Reply #154 on: March 17, 2016, 01:31:30 PM »
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    is likely NOTHING compared to many of these career politicians who have had their lives neat and tidy to the public, but have backroom deals going on ad nauseam that any decent person would probably faint to hear about.


    Given that Ron Paul held elected office beginning in 1976, how did he convince you that he was not the sort mentioned above?


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    « Reply #155 on: March 17, 2016, 02:15:26 PM »
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    Last election, I flat out wrote in Ron Paul because he literally got screwed.


    I see you're using "literally" in the sense of "figuratively" which is such a trend these days...

    People say "literally" when they mean "exceedingly", "seriously" or "really, really". BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT LITERALLY MEANS, DARN IT!

     :soapbox:

    Unless, of course, you are claiming that Ron Paul was actually sodomized by someone in the last election...
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    « Reply #156 on: March 17, 2016, 05:36:59 PM »
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  • Okay. I relent. The correct word would have been defrauded, but that just doesn't sound right...

    I mean, I don't know, they did the same thing to Pat Buchanan in 1996. What's a better word for that?

    I guess subtract the literally.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
    « Reply #157 on: March 17, 2016, 05:56:41 PM »
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    Last election, I flat out wrote in Ron Paul because he literally got screwed.


    I see you're using "literally" in the sense of "figuratively" which is such a trend these days...

    People say "literally" when they mean "exceedingly", "seriously" or "really, really". BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT LITERALLY MEANS, DARN IT!

     :soapbox:

    Unless, of course, you are claiming that Ron Paul was actually sodomized by someone in the last election...



    Ok, that made me laugh...
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #158 on: March 17, 2016, 07:07:30 PM »
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    That is precisely what it is all about: No matter his personal flaws, Trump is not attached to the Establishment. He has no favors to pay back. He finances his own campaign. He is the only one who could truly do what he sees fit as President.


    Is this an affirmative to my question? Do you believe only self-funded billionaires should be elected to the presidency?

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    « Reply #159 on: March 17, 2016, 07:33:31 PM »
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    That is precisely what it is all about: No matter his personal flaws, Trump is not attached to the Establishment. He has no favors to pay back. He finances his own campaign. He is the only one who could truly do what he sees fit as President.


    Is this an affirmative to my question? Do you believe only self-funded billionaires should be elected to the presidency?


    In 2016, yes.


    In what hypothetical circuмstance would that rule not apply?

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    « Reply #160 on: March 17, 2016, 11:28:47 PM »
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    That is precisely what it is all about: No matter his personal flaws, Trump is not attached to the Establishment. He has no favors to pay back. He finances his own campaign. He is the only one who could truly do what he sees fit as President.


    Is this an affirmative to my question? Do you believe only self-funded billionaires should be elected to the presidency?


    In 2016, yes.


    In what hypothetical circuмstance would that rule not apply?


    I feel there is a snare in that question. My answer is: Let us remain in the realm of reality, not of hypothesis. Now, in the 2016 race, I say we can trust Trump for implementing his promises, because we know that he will not have to pay back people who would have financed his campaign, because he is financing it himself. I hope you understand the implication of this decision of his.

    If he would have wanted to, he could have had many financial backers, He would not have had to spend his own money. (Money which he will never see again). But he wanted to remain free to say/do what he believes in. This, in itself, should be for us a guarantee that he will, indeed, keep his promises.


    Can you name another person in the US that would/could do what Trump is doing that has a snow white background? I can't.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #161 on: March 18, 2016, 12:37:23 AM »
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    is likely NOTHING compared to many of these career politicians who have had their lives neat and tidy to the public, but have backroom deals going on ad nauseam that any decent person would probably faint to hear about.


    Given that Ron Paul held elected office beginning in 1976, how did he convince you that he was not the sort mentioned above?


    I'll tell you why. Because he was known as "Dr. NO." You look at his voting record, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

    Here's a good place to start.

    https://www.congress.gov/members


    https://www.congress.gov/member/ron-paul/P000583
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #162 on: March 18, 2016, 12:50:00 AM »
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  • Here's just an example of ONE of his oppositions to the most recent NDAA bill. Please read. You can find this and more in the right margin of the page where it says, "See this member's remarks in the Congressional Record" and just do a search in the page for his name, and you can read what he has to say on basically EVERYTHING he's ever said in Congress.

    Mr. Speaker, I rise to oppose what will be the final
    National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) I will face as a Member of
    the U.S. House of Representatives. As many of my colleagues are aware,
    I have always voted against the NDAA regardless of what party controls
    the House. Far from simply providing an authorization for the money
    needed to defend this country, which I of course support, this
    authorization and its many predecessors have long been used to fuel
    militarization, enrich the military industrial complex, expand our
    empire overseas, and purchase military and other enormously expensive
    equipment that we do not need and in large part does not work anyway.
    They wrap all of this mess up in false patriotism, implying that
    Members who do not vote for these boondoggles do not love their
    country.
      The military industrial complex is a jigsaw puzzle of seemingly
    competing private companies; but they are in reality state-sponsored
    enterprises where well-connected lobbyists, usually after long and
    prosperous careers in the military or government, pressure Congress to
    fund pet projects regardless of whether we can afford them or whether
    they are needed to defend our country. This convenient arrangement is
    the welfare of the warfare state.
      Because of the false perception that we must pass this military
    spending authorization each year or our men and women in uniform will
    go hungry, Congress has over the years taken the opportunity to pack it
    with other items that would have been difficult to pass on their own.
    This is nothing new on Capitol Hill. In the last few years, however,
    this practice has taken a sinister turn.
      The now-infamous NDAA for fiscal year 2012, passed last year, granted
    the president the authority to indefinitely detain American citizens
    without charge, without access to an attorney, and without trial. It is
    difficult to imagine anything more un-American than this attack on our
    Constitutional protections. While we may not have yet seen the
    widespread use of this unspeakably evil measure, a wider application of
    this ``authority'' may only be a matter of time.
      Historically these kinds of measures have been used to bolster state
    power at the expense of unpopular scapegoats. The Jєωιѕн citizens of
    1930s Germany knew all about this reprehensible practice. Lately the
    scapegoats have been mostly Muslims. Hundreds, perhaps many more, even
    Americans, have been held by the U.S. at Guantanamo and in other secret
    prisons around the world.
      But this can all change quickly, which makes it all the more
    dangerous. Maybe one day it will be Christians, gun-owners,
    homeschoolers, etc.
      That is why last year, along with Reps. Justin Amash, Walter Jones,
    and others, we attempted to simply remove the language from the NDAA
    (sec. 1021) that gave the president this unconstitutional authority. It
    was a simple, readable amendment. Others tried to thwart our
    straightforward efforts by crafting elaborately worded amendments that
    in practice did noting to protect us from this measure in the bill.
    Likewise this year there were a few celebrated but mostly meaningless
    attempts to address this issue. One such effort passed in the senate
    version of this bill. The conferees have simply cut it out. The will of
    Congress was thus ignored by a small group of Members and Senators
    named by House and Senate leadership.
      There are many other measures in this NDAA Conference Report to be
    concerned about. It continues to fund our disastrous wars in
    Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere for example.
      The Conference Report contains yet another round of doomed-to-fail
    new sanctions against Iran. These are acts of war against Iran without
    actually firing a shot. But this time the House and Senate conferees
    are going further than that. The report contains language that pushes
    the U.S. as close to an actual authorization for the use of force
    against Iran as we can get. The Report ``. . . asserts that the U.S.
    should be prepared to take all necessary measures, including military
    action if required, to prevent Iran from threatening the U.S., its
    allies, or Iran's neighbors with a nuclear weapon and reinforces the
    military option should it prove necessary.''
      This kind of language just emboldens Iran's enemies in the region to
    engage in increasingly reckless behavior with the guarantee that the
    U.S. military will step in if they push it too far. That is an unwise
    move for everyone concerned.
      This Conference Report contains increased levels of foreign military
    aid, including an additional half-billion dollars in missile assistance
    to an already prosperous Israel and some $300 million to help an
    increasingly prosperous Russia control its chemical, nuclear, and
    biological weapons. And Russia does not even want the money!
      Overall, this authorization will give the president even more money
    for military activities next year than he requested. At a time when the
    news has been dominated by reports of our budget crisis, the ``fiscal
    cliff,'' and the ``need'' to increase taxes on Americans, Congress is
    foolishly spending even more on the military budget than the
    administration wants! I suppose that is what counts as a reduction in
    the language of Washington.
      I urge my colleagues to oppose this, and all future, reckless and
    dangerous military spending bills that are destroying our national
    security by destroying our economy.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    Bishop Williamson and Donald Trump - huh?
    « Reply #163 on: March 23, 2016, 12:16:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: JezusDeKoning
    That's not just immoral, that's a war crime. If Trump thinks lives are disposable just like that, we're looking at the Slobodan Milošević of our time.


    Or the next Hitler.  Definitely not the next Trotsky because Trotsky was a Jew and Jews never do anything wrong so the comparison with a war criminal wouldn't work.