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Offline Mark 79

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« Reply #120 on: March 13, 2016, 03:08:48 AM »
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    ...blah, blah, blah...

    I have absolutely no qualms of conscience here. We have let these barbarians dictate the course of events for far too long. Let's go back to biblical military strategy.


    If you are so hot to do the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan's wetwork, Mr. Chicken Hawk, sign up. Nobody here is stopping you.

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    « Reply #121 on: March 13, 2016, 03:57:08 AM »
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  • Since it (shockingly!) seems necessary to show that the Church is against the killing of innocent people, here is a relevant (Pre-VII) docuмent on the morality of obliteration bombing.

    http://theahi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Ford-Morality-of-Obliteration-Bombing.pdf

    There's a section on "The Mind of the Holy See" beginning on pg 305

    Short of a direct command from God, killing civilian populations is against both natural and international law.

    That is to say nothing of whether or not these conflicts meet the requirements of just war AND whether it is Muslims or western governments who are the ones truly responsible for terrorist activity.


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    « Reply #122 on: March 13, 2016, 04:12:41 AM »
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  • I have been lurking a while, but those that remember my posts in the past might remember me as fiercely independent.

    In the 2000 campaign, I joined the Reform party, was a delegate at the convention, representing the 8th district of Wisconsin. One of the things I remember most about that campaign, was the issue of "free trade." Pat Buchanan was cheated out of the Republican nomination, by being labeled a "bigot," a "racist," and an "αnтι-ѕємιтє" , consequently running on the Reform Party ticket, and was really the second candidate to talk about the trade problem. The first, as I recall, was another billionaire named Ross Perot.

    I think one bonus about Trump is that he learned that in order to actually do something, he couldnt go that route. It had already been tried, and after CIA ops did everything they could ( through the fake "Natural Law Party" at the Reform Party convention I saw these people with my own two eyes and only two years after the convention were they exposed did anyone hear about them on page 12, if it was even in the newspapers at all) to bury the possibility of a third party ever emerging again. (How amusing :) I found video of me at the Reform Party Convention nominating Ezola Foster. C-span has the whole thing. The audio was having problems that day, but it was day 3, session 1, right around the 24:10 mark, in case anyone wanted to look.) As usual, revisionist historians try to pin blame on Pat Buchanan as a purposeful destroyer of the Reform Party.

    At any rate, you had the tired argument (especially now) from people saying, "if you vote Buchanan, you're voting for Gore." Weve had decent candidates before, heck, Buchanan might go to the indultery, but he is a very devout man, and people did NOT vote their conscience. Instead, they would vote for a satanist!

    Between these elections, I joined a 501c (4) (I think) called Save American Manufacturing (SAM, for short.) A lady and a gentleman from a suburb of Milwaukee started it, to draw attention to the China/NAFTA issues that both parties were flag wavers for (perhaps more Republicans than Democrats, only because of the mostly controlled commie union vote). I saw factories closing left and right, and I wasn't going to sit around and watch that happen. I started becoming savvy at researching on the internet, and I learned how to navigate the Thomas website, and began compiling voting records for meetings with businesses that the people I was helping were trying to unite, small and medium sized manufacturers, primarily.

    A lobbyist from AMTAC noticed my work, often tireless work, that I was doing for Cathy (RIP) for free, and he offered to hire me for a very satisfactory salary, 30 hours a month.

    We got some press, for a while, and then, people got apathetic and obviously the establishment had designed this to entirely wipe out the middle class. Russ Feingold (yes, I know, Jew) liked my spunk and suggested, pointing right at me, that I should run for office. Of course it was out of the question. I was not a liberal, and was a mother of 3 small children at the time. Plus, not my place, et cetera.

    My boss was relegated to the sock industry after the megalith beast that is the boondoggle called trade, defeated him. I spoke with him a couple months before he died and talked with him about the compartmentalization and total control of the world through these agreements, to which he replied, "This is so much bigger than we can even dent. I know."

    Skipping 2004, other than to say, Bush didnt get help from me. I voted constitution party that year.

    In 2008, Ron Paul was running in the primary, and got the shaft, and that corpse of a traitor, McInsane, wasn't getting my vote. The  Establishment on the Republican side lost that one on purpose. I thought by then people would start to get the Carol Quigley paradigm. But they really didn't.

    In 2008, when Ron Paul ran, people were starting to listen, some people anyway. A couple months ago, I read one of the sickest nuggets of revisionist history I've ever seen, and that was the fairy tale that Rick Santorum won Iowa. First it was magical underwear Obamney, and then Rick Santorum. The fact is, that RON PAUL won Iowa. You know why first, you didn't hear about that, and second, he couldn't do anything about it? Here's proof first, of what I'm saying.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-wins-iowa-caucuses-2012-6

    Why could he do nothing? He was asking for money multiple times a month for his campaign. He was running on individual donations, and it simply was not enough. When he gained traction, they labeled him the same way they labeled Buchanan, and it was pretty much over.

    Enter 2016. After the obvious rigged railroading of Ron Paul, I had given up entirely, but would still write in if we had another tweedle-dee/dum scenario like we've experienced since... well, at my age, in my oldest memory, just based on principle. It was all rigged, they're playing all of us for fools. It's over.

    I never fell for Rand Paul's craplines. After his praise for Israel, the Wailing Wall photo op, and the pledge for foreign aid to continue there,  certainly he was NOT his father, who, incidentally had Traditional Catholics working in his office for many years.

    I really didnt pay much attention to things at all until the field narrowed a bit more. 12 people with lackluster talent... sellouts to the establishment and the banks... no thanks. Don't care. Republicans had so many chances to get it right over the last 20 years that I was voting age, and they blew it every time. SO, whatever we end up with, we sure as hell deserve.

    Until last weekend when I got really curious as to why the media and pundits were in absolute freakout mode over Trump. I thought, "How stupid are we as a country that we would seriously consider electing a reality TV show host?!" But then, I actually listened to him, and it all became clear...

    The globalists are scared crapless of Trump right now, and if he is who he says he is, I surmise one of two things could happen: 1) if Trump really tries to do what he says, he is putting himself in a very dangerous place, and if he gets elected, the recognized beginning, (not official of course because its already started and we know) 'of WWIII will commence, and he might end up being αssαssιnαtҽd. 2) If he's a fraud, well, at least we didn't ask for someone that was unapologetically from the groups that want to destroy the country in insert-name-of-any-establishment-candidate-on-either-side-including-CanadaCruz-here.

    Bottom tl`dr: I'm giving Trump a chance. Traditional Catholics need jobs to support their families. Good jobs that pay a decent wage that the woman can stay home and homeschool. That is fast becoming out of reach for many, and fine, if Trump is a fraud, the other ones would keep going down the same track as before, maybe one applying breaks slightly more often, the other speeding up the wreck. I'm for attempting to fix it. If he's lying, then fine. Taking the risk. I've always voted my conscience, and I'm not stopping now. Thanks.  

    I thought of one more thing... Father Bolduc said that he wished he could live long enough to vote against Obama (he didnt sadly) but he would vote for Donald Duck if he were running. Hillary IS Obama with a different spelling, so maybe even he would have voted for Trump. :) Maybe...
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #123 on: March 13, 2016, 06:21:06 AM »
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  • Good to have you posting once more, PFT.  I have always really appreciated what you have to say.  As of this year, I will no longer vote.  It is all fixed and the insiders hold every single string.  In this country, presidents are not elected by vote, they are installed by their masters.  Yes, indeed, it is over.  Kyrie Eleison .....

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    « Reply #124 on: March 13, 2016, 06:27:40 AM »
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  • I contributed a pretty decent sum to PJB in '00. A certain indep. Latin Mass priest in NJ was all about Bush. Asked questions like, " why don't he and his wife have any kids?" ( They couldn't )...Someone pointed out to him that Bush was Skull & Bones ( elite Luciferian Masonic college fraternity )...his response? " Oh kids join all sorts of stuff in college..." Any Catholic that didn't support Pat and supported Bush instead should be ashamed of themselves.. :reporter:


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    « Reply #125 on: March 13, 2016, 07:41:48 AM »
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  • At this point,

    people who are adamantly opposed to a Trump presidency:

    1. George Soros

    2. Black Lives Matter

    3. Bill Ayers and the U.S. Communist Party

    4. Liberals and militant leftists

    5. The Mainstream Media

    6. The moderators of Cath Info, Matthew and his wife



    Notable new supporters this week:

    Dr. Ben Carson



    *Note: this is an incomplete list.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    Offline Tiffany

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    « Reply #126 on: March 13, 2016, 09:11:26 AM »
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  •  Australians would be speaking Japanese if we had not sunk civilian ships.

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    « Reply #127 on: March 13, 2016, 11:34:05 AM »
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    At this point,

    people who are adamantly opposed to a Trump presidency:

    1. George Soros

    2. Black Lives Matter

    3. Bill Ayers and the U.S. Communist Party

    4. Liberals and militant leftists

    5. The Mainstream Media

    6. The moderators of Cath Info, Matthew and his wife



    Notable new supporters this week:

    Dr. Ben Carson



    *Note: this is an incomplete list.


    1 to 5 are 'important' because of the influence they have, to some extent, in society. The moderators of Cathinfo are just not important at all. Just a fact, no offense intended.


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    « Reply #128 on: March 13, 2016, 01:03:46 PM »
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    At this point,

    people who are adamantly opposed to a Trump presidency:

    1. George Soros

    2. Black Lives Matter

    3. Bill Ayers and the U.S. Communist Party

    4. Liberals and militant leftists

    5. The Mainstream Media

    6. The moderators of Cath Info, Matthew and his wife



    Notable new supporters this week:

    Dr. Ben Carson



    *Note: this is an incomplete list.


    CentroAmerica, I don't think I like being in that company.
    But I could probably come up with some unsavory characters you're accidentally standing next to.

    But your whole post (above) is invalid because of a logical fallacy.

    The "unspoken premise" or "minor" in your argument is that I have bad guys on my side, therefore Trump must be the good side.


    I fell for the same thing in 2009, and learned my lesson. Namely, I found Eamon Shea, SJB, etc. attacking Fr. Cekada who I knew was a "bad guy" for what he did to the SSPX during the 80's (stealing properties, etc.) He was the ringleader of The Naughty Nine. So I assumed Eamon must be a shining knight of virtue, since they were opposing a known bad guy.

    I was wrong.

    Apparently, you can have 2 bad guys duking it out quite earnestly. Don't believe me? The proof is legion:

    1. In Hell they all fight with each other constantly. There is no love there.
    2. Picture a part of the world where the Faith hasn't made many inroads -- think some of the failed states in Africa like Somalia. Which of the warlords represents "the good side"?
    3. Or, closer to home, think of the conflicts between rival drug cartels. Which side is the side of righteousness?

    There is a saying, "even a broken clock is right twice a day". Are you saying that I must be wrong that today is Sunday, just because Hillary Clinton, George Soros, Howard Stern, and Gloria Steinem agree with me that it is?

    Are you saying that just because a person is evil, wrong, or deep in a state of Mortal Sin, that they can't be right about ANYTHING?
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    « Reply #129 on: March 13, 2016, 01:13:10 PM »
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    1 to 5 are 'important' because of the influence they have, to some extent, in society. The moderators of Cathinfo are just not important at all. Just a fact, no offense intended.


    Who do you think I am, Napoleon? You think I'm going to get all upset when you utter something that is true?

    Columbiano, you need to stop listening to the anti-CathInfo crowd at ABL, the Recusant, and Fr. Pfeiffer/Pablo's other attack troops.

    I would be the first to point out the truth that I have little influence over the Trad world, much less the world at large.

    The only things I believe and tell others are those things which are TRUE. For example, I might say that CathInfo is the best Trad forum in the English speaking world, because it is. What forum is bigger? Fisheaters? That's not really a Trad forum anymore. Tracy (the owner) went for numbers and money, and now it's basically Catholic Answers II with slightly more tolerance for those "who prefer the Latin Mass".

    But when you say "not important at all" you have to distinguish. Insofar as I decide what appears (and doesn't appear) here on a forum that is bookmarked by the higher-ups at the SSPX as well as countless other groups -- that's a bit of influence/power. The owner of such a large media outlet is not exactly big leagues (more like a large fish in a small pond), but simplifying it as "not important at all" is an exaggeration.

    But it's CathInfo that's important because of the membership and gathering of minds here, not me specifically. Just look at the threads about Trump.

    I put up a poll and I was the only one to vote for Cruz. The other 20 people who voted all voted for Trump. That just proves people aren't following ME. They are here to discuss the news, stay informed, and socialize with other real Catholics.
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    « Reply #130 on: March 13, 2016, 01:16:51 PM »
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  • I think you know what I am saying and ignore it. I am saying that if the media and all these hard core leftists are against a candidate, there is a reason for it. You know it, and everyone knows it.

    Further, it is practically proven beyond a reasonable doubt that your candidate is a member of a secret society, owned by Golman and Sachs. Notice how he lied about CNN so blatantly, and the media doesn't go after him.

    Your arguments are getting weaker by the minute. There is a huge reason why you  and everyone should vote for Trump. If a liberal democrat gets in and appoints two liberal judges, it will change the face of America for decades. A bad Trump presidency (which seems unlikely since he couldn't be any worse than Obama) would only last 4 years. There is a lot to lose and everyone on that list with you knows it.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #131 on: March 13, 2016, 01:26:34 PM »
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    Tiffany said: It was VII that spoke out against total war strategies.

    Yes, before VII, there was not so much sentimentality.

    In many places in the Bible, God ordered "anathema" on the people the Israelites were to invade and conquer. That meant killing not only the warriors, but old folks, women, children, and even animals. It also meant destroying all the ennemy"s material possessions.

    There were three reasons for God's order: 1-To avoid the Israelites being corrupted by survivors (especially by women); 2-To punish these peoples for their many generations of heinous crimes (God's patience was at an end); 3-To make sure the motives of the Israelites were to do God's will, and not greed and hope for spoils. Whenever the Israelites spared some people or things, they were rebuked and punished by God.

    If we would promise ISIS and other terrorist groups: "Listen up, folks: If you attack our citizens, no matter where they are in the world, we will carpet-bomb your country, and any place where you happen to be. Then, we will spray pig fat over the rubble, and we will send napalm on top of it", we would not have these attacks we have now.

    You cannot defeat terrorism, unless people and countries who help them fear you more than they fear the terrorists. These people need to know you mean business.

    Do this once or twice, and you will not have any problems any more. You will avoid spending trillions of dollars in protracted military operations. It took only two bombs to stop the Japanese in their tracks in 1945. How many American lives have been spared by avoiding an invasion of Japan itself!

    It's like with bullies: If you answer with force, they leave you alone.

    I have absolutely no qualms of conscience here. We have let these barbarians dictate the course of events for far too long. Let's go back to biblical military strategy.


    I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you on your opinion regarding indescriminate bombing. I'm on the road right now, so all I can do is provide a link to an article. I don't agree intirerly with all of it, but it has some good information.

    http://americamagazine.org/issue/581/bookings/terror-bombing

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    « Reply #132 on: March 13, 2016, 02:38:09 PM »
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  • Japan was already using total war warfare long before we bombed Tokyo.

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    « Reply #133 on: March 13, 2016, 02:53:06 PM »
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    Japan was already using total war warfare long before we bombed Tokyo.


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    « Reply #134 on: March 13, 2016, 05:17:29 PM »
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  •    The Japanese were fighting Chinese Communists who would have done to all of Japan exactly what Japanese troops did to Nanking if they could have..it was a pretty amoral war really. We shouldn't have provoked the Japanese into making the first strike ( Lt. commander McCollum's 11-point plan which incl. pop-up cruises in Japanese waters and ended with a full-scale natural resources embargo )..My biggest beef with the Japanese? That they didn't "strike north" against the Soviets ( joining Operation Barbarossa fm the other side ). That was the advice given by Foreign Min. Matsuoka and Navy Min. Oikawa ( which would have ended the involvement in China which was, until then, America's chief complaint ). They chose the seemingly easier, myopic path that led to catastrophe.
           They were a thoroughly beaten country by '45. If they had given the whole Pacific theater to MacArthur ( instead of 1/2 to Halsey ) we would've wrapped-up all operations there much sooner as MacArthur would have stressed getting back the Philippines, achieving Naval supremacy and bypassing worthless islands ( after bombing their airfields, isolating the enemy troops there ) like Peleliou (sic?), Tarawa, Iwo...Japan offered to surrender in Jan. '45 and we wouldn't accept...we accepted essentially the same terms in Aug. '45. That Cathedral in Nagasaki was Ground Zero essentially for that bomb drop. Certainly seemed intentional...What a beautiful Church, it's never been rebuilt.