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Biden - coal miners can learn to code
« on: January 02, 2020, 01:53:05 PM »
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  • I have to laugh, being a software developer myself. No they CAN'T. "Learn to code" had actually turned into a meme several months back -- basically it was a way of saying "your career will be obsolete soon, but you/we can deal with that".

    So all these people flinging around "learn to code" like software engineering is within the reach of everyone, the average person with an IQ of 100 +/- 20, is ridiculous. You actually need an ABOVE AVERAGE IQ to be able to code professionally. Not everyone has the mental equipment to be an engineer. Might as well say "Learn to be a doctor" or "Learn rocket science".

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    Re: Biden - coal miners can learn to code
    « Reply #1 on: January 02, 2020, 04:36:45 PM »
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  • Matthew is right.  A few coal miners can learn to code, but not before going back to school at the graduate or post graduate level.  The large majority of those living in mining country are poor, have a not up-to-date high school education or less, lack the money and accessibility of a good college, and are no longer young.  Furthermore, the field is highly competitive.  Companies hire only the most talented people.  Moreover, there is likely to be a huge cultural barrier.  People age 40 and up, used to living in a small town, very conservative, are not going to fit into the GenX and Millennial culture prevalent in major cities and their outlying suburbs.  Coal miners, unless young, single, and adventurous, tend to be tied to the land and their generations of family before them.  
    I'm not saying coal miners are stupid.  They aren't!  They posses a grit, toughness, tenacity, and lots of common sense---the latter absent from the corporate environment.  There are different types of intelligences, not just academic book-learning.
    The entire idea is as ludicrous as in 2016 when Hillary brought her campaign entourage to Williamson, West Virginia "the anthracite capital of the U.S.A.," home to the "anthracite mansion!"  (Yes, it's really called Williamson!)  Those who came to her campaign were there to heckle her out of town, something they accomplished very quickly!  
    Had Trump lost the election  however, I can guarantee the mountain people wouldn't have tearfully run amok through the streets screaming, "Not my president!" and, "Hey! Hey!  Ho! Ho!  Donald Trump has got to go!"  Instead, they'd be rallying their forces, preparing to fight.  


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    Re: Biden - coal miners can learn to code
    « Reply #2 on: January 02, 2020, 05:33:39 PM »
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  • Of course, when leftist journalists got laid off and were mockingly told on Twitter to "learn to code", just as those journalists had told the coal miners, all HELL broke loose. They're hypocrites, plain and simple. 

    And yes, regardless, programming is not a profession you can just do a quick training course for and off you go. To do well at all in programming you want to have been computer-savvy from an early age, and you want to get a proper education in it. If you aren't formally educated in programming then you need to be very intelligent or well-suited for it, and you'll still have a much harder time getting interviews. And companies want young programmers, so even if these coal miners all somehow had a knack for programming and had the time and money to learn it, they'd still have an almost impossible time finding a job. It's just not feasible. 

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    Re: Biden - coal miners can learn to code
    « Reply #3 on: January 02, 2020, 05:51:44 PM »
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  • If you aren't formally educated in programming then you need to be very intelligent or well-suited for it, and you'll still have a much harder time getting interviews. And companies want young programmers, so even if these coal miners all somehow had a knack for programming and had the time and money to learn it, they'd still have an almost impossible time finding a job. It's just not feasible.

    Indeed. And I know what I'm talking about. I believe I have a talent for programming, I've been doing it (even for fun) since I was a teenager, plus I've done nothing else professionally since I was an adult. Nevertheless, I found myself unemployed and couldn't find a job for about 6 months when I was in my early 40's, for the reasons you cite. Few interviews, and even fewer job offers.

    If they want to hire someone new to the industry, they want a childless twentysomething who can give his heart and soul to the company. Someone who is healthy, young, whose brain still learns new things quickly, with no baggage. Someone who can pull long hours when necessary. Why would they hire someone in their 40's with 2 years of experience (or 2 years RELEVANT experience) when they can hire a 24 year old with the same or even more *relevant* experience?  Especially since the 24 year old will expect less pay -- and can live with less pay.

    Software development is *ridiculously* competitive. And there is no other career where your experience loses value so quickly. Stuff you did just 10 years ago might as well be making horseshoes or wooden wheels for wagon carts. All that experience does no good for your career, and actually causes career harm because you got older while you were doing it :)
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    Re: Biden - coal miners can learn to code
    « Reply #4 on: January 03, 2020, 01:07:16 PM »
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  • Matthew is right.  A few coal miners can learn to code, but not before going back to school at the graduate or post graduate level.  The large majority of those living in mining country are poor, have a not up-to-date high school education or less, lack the money and accessibility of a good college, and are no longer young.  Furthermore, the field is highly competitive.  Companies hire only the most talented people.  Moreover, there is likely to be a huge cultural barrier.  People age 40 and up, used to living in a small town, very conservative, are not going to fit into the GenX and Millennial culture prevalent in major cities and their outlying suburbs.  Coal miners, unless young, single, and adventurous, tend to be tied to the land and their generations of family before them.  
    I'm not saying coal miners are stupid.  They aren't!  They posses a grit, toughness, tenacity, and lots of common sense---the latter absent from the corporate environment.  There are different types of intelligences, not just academic book-learning.
    Agreed wholeheartedly.  I hail from coal country --- my grandfather was a miner --- and never, ever, sell these people short.  If they need to learn to code, they will learn to code.  These are people who well understand doing what you have to do, regardless of the difficulty.