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Title: Australia is F****d
Post by: AnthonyPadua on December 03, 2024, 06:29:03 AM
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If you drive an ultra high powered vehicle (UHPV) you must hold a U class licence.

https://www.mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-ultra-high-powered-vehicle-licence
Also it's now illegal to drive a car in 'sports mode' in South Australia. This is the same country that has an official for ‘Men’s Behavior Change' in the state of Victoria. Australia also just passed a law where Social media platforms will have to start verifying the age of Australian users by this time next year but cannot require a government form of identity as the only means of doing so.
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The controversial world-first ban on social media access for under 16s passed the senate just before 11.30pm by 34 votes to 19.
11:30pm.... really makes you think. Also they recently gave out free tickets to the zoo but you had to sign up for Digital ID. They claim this new law is to stop those under 16 from using Social media, but the only way to enforce this would be to make everyone require something like a Digital ID.


Also they tried to pass a “misinformation and disinformation bill" which had subjective language.... also this in Australia it's illegal to have nαzι imagery saved on your devices, and posting them can give you prison time.


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The Albanese government has given up on its controversial “misinformation and disinformation bill” after it failed to garner support from a single non-Labor senator.

Albanese government will dump its misinformation and disinformation bill in response to overwhelming opposition in the Senate.

The proposed laws, which threatened online platforms with fines of up to 5 per cent of their annual revenue for failing to curb misinformation, had sparked fierce opposition.

Under the proposed laws, social media companies would have been required to identify content that was “reasonably verifiable as false” and remove or penalise it accordingly.

The legislation was criticised for its vague definitions and potential to stifle free speech.



https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/nαzι-salute-and-hate-symbols-now-outlawed-08-01-2024#:~:text=It%20is%20now%20unlawful%20to,nαzιs%20and%20their%20evil%20ideology.

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It is now unlawful to perform the nαzι salute in public or to publicly display, or trade in, nαzι hate symbols, with the Albanese Government’s landmark legislation coming into force today (Monday, 8 January).
The new laws also ensure that glorifying and praising acts of terrorism are criminal offences under Commonwealth law.
The passage of the Counter-Terrorism Legislation Amendment (Prohibited Hate Symbols and Other Measures) Bill 2023 through the Federal Parliament last month sent a clear message: there is no place in Australia for acts and symbols that glorify the horrors of the h0Ɩ0cαųst and terrorist acts.
This is the first legislation of its kind and will ensure no one in Australia will be allowed to glorify or profit from acts and symbols that celebrate the nαzιs and their evil ideology.
Australia also has a very high (((vaccination))) rate for covid.

This country is so gαy please get me outta here.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 06:42:18 AM
What did Aussies think would happen after they gave up their guns?
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 07:40:46 AM
What did Aussies think would happen after they gave up their guns?

If I had a gun who would I shoot? Who would they shoot in return? If you don't have the numbers politically why would you have them militarily?

It's a different era, a different battlefield... this is very shortsighted and naïve logic. The whites did not defeat the reds during the Bolshevik Revolution and the Vendee did not undo the French Revolution, in fact they spurred on the reign of terror. That being said, the French Revolutionaries were killed during the Napoleonic Wars and the Bolshevik Revolutionaries were killed during WWII, same with the Nαzιs (who I might remind people, the swastika is a roman pagan symbol that no Christian should revere, they were also darwinian evolutionists and eugenicists), so in a certain sense, it tends to go full circle for those who do evil things and think they can get away with it. 

Furthermore, the Five Eyes Alliance all work together, so when you see this happening in Australia you should know that it is not some foreign and sovereign land this is happening in, we are a client state of the US.

The only time I contemplated guns was during the jab mandates depending on how far they would go. 

Furthermore, those thinking of the American Revolution are naïve in this day and age, for given how much smaller the world has become if the USA ever descended into a cινιℓ ωαr it would be the end of both sides as those on the sidelines would be able to seize the opportunity in an instant, who would get control of the nukes? you would completely destroy yourselves... gun rights however are a significant deterrent to an invading force though, so in that regard it is worthwhile keeping, but not for cινιℓ ωαr purposes, you're a fool if you long for such a thing.

The American Revolution was a very rare thing historically and it was very mitigated compared to the many other cινιℓ ωαrs throughout history because both sides were Christian. Great Britain also didn't go 'all in' for it, was not existential for them, the French also aided the American Revolutionaries, so it was not all in house either.

In terms of the tyranny in Australia, It's very fortunate Trump won and Musk owns the X platform, for VPN's exist and they cannot control those people, Australia does not own any of the infrastructure to enforce it and with free speech their days will hopefully be numbered as their tyranny is exposed and mocked IMO.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."



Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 07:59:15 AM
also this in Australia it's illegal to have nαzι imagery saved on your devices, and posting them can give you prison time.

I wish they would ban Nαzι Ideology and then put themselves in prison for grossly violating the Nuremburg Code during the jab mandates lol.

Banning history is dumb and the great irony is that they are the Nαzι's who violated the Nuremburg Code.

God Bless
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 08:12:25 AM
Josh#######, I am "pro-choice" on guns.

If you so choose, you may stay on your knees and whine.

Sooner or later mass gun seizures have all been followed by genocide.

These two "thought experiment" articles give lie to your defeatist cringing:


The Mathematics of Countering Tyranny
by John Wesley Rawles, May 15, 2018
https://survivalblog.com/mathematics-countering-tyranny/

The Critical Fraction
by Eric Raymond
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8053

A rough approximation: “…the critical fraction of American gun owners that would have to be hard-core enough to resist confiscation with lethal violence in order to stop the attempt is lower than 1 in 317. Probably much lower.”

See also:

No. Their Cold Dead Hands.
Parts 1 & 2
https://zerogov.com/no-their-cold-dead-hands-by-bill-buppert/
https://zerogov.com/no-their-cold-dead-hands-part-ii-by-bill-buppert/


and

Disarming Goyim https://archive.is/YcZ2t

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Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 08:13:16 AM
In terms of the tyranny in Australia, It's very fortunate Trump won and Musk owns the X platform, for VPN's exist and they cannot control those people, Australia does not own any of the infrastructure to enforce it and with free speech their days will hopefully be numbered as their tyranny is exposed and mocked IMO.

I'd also like to add, as an Australian, thank you very much for those of you who voted for Trump, as you not only mitigated things for yourself but also for myself, now we both have more opportunities to build on.

Still need to pray for Trump etc and there are still problems... but certainly important mitigation and success on which one can build upon.

If Hαɾɾιs and her ilk had won, we would all be very screwed, not just for their tyranny, but also for the nukes that would have eventually had to fall IMO (much like the French Revolutionaries atrocities leading into the Napoleonic Wars). So very important mitigation IMO. 

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

God Bless
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 08:16:27 AM
Actually… I encourage you to stay on your knees cringing. Did you take your lithium today?

Meanwhile… Trump…

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Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 08:18:34 AM
If you so choose, you may stay on your knees and whine.

Like I said, part of me wishes you got your way during the US Presidential Election, (Thank God you lost and Trump won, who is fallible like everyone else, hence needs prays but a great victory and much needed mitigation nonetheless) because then you'd see the logical conclusion to your folly... but then if people allowed Hαɾɾιs and her ilk to win they would destroy myself too and I'm not suicidal no matter how much I despise your folly and wish you could taste your own medicine.

Drink your own poison.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 08:20:06 AM
Take your lithium. It is quite efficacious for manic phases of bipolar disorder.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Jaynek on December 03, 2024, 08:41:58 AM
Keeping children off of social media is, in itsef, a very good idea.  Social media is dangerous enough for adults and children are even more vulnerable.  But the way the government is going about it, especially considered within the bigger picture, rings all sorts of alarm bells.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 08:58:07 AM
Keeping children off of social media is, in itsef, a very good idea.  Social media is dangerous enough for adults and children are even more vulnerable.  But the way the government is going about it, especially considered within the bigger picture, rings all sorts of alarm bells.

Yet for my entire childhood years these things were known, total propaganda with Facebook, Twitter, Porn and so much more... these persisted for many years and nobody touched them... they only talk about it now (not touching the porn either btw a powerful tool for Deep State blackmail) because Elon Musk owns X and Trump won despite the propaganda... they are trying to regain control... it's not about children.

Even I knew as a kid when Facebook was a new thing that things like bullying would follow me home and there would be no escape, I never used Facebook for this reason and it's whole design was very toxic, but these social media platforms, previously used for all kinds of evil and vice, are now being used for refuting much of the propaganda, that's when they talk about the 'harms' which existed from the beginning in order to hide the fact that they are trying to regain control of the narrative.

God Bless
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 09:02:19 AM
Take your lithium. It is quite efficacious for manic phases of bipolar disorder.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Jaynek on December 03, 2024, 09:03:01 AM
Thank God you lost and Trump won

I think it is safe to say that nobody on CI wanted hαɾɾιs as president, including the people who could not in good conscience vote for Trump.  You are making a straw man argument when you write as if they were on her side.  You cannot expect anyone to respect your opinions if you unfairly and innacurately represent the views of your opponents.

In terms of Catholic moral theology, it was completely legitimate to refrain from voting for Trump.  This is a Catholic forum and it is not appropriate to keep attacking people for doing something they were permitted to do by Church teaching.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 09:08:55 AM
I think it is safe to say that nobody on CI wanted hαɾɾιs as president, including the people who could not in good conscience vote for Trump.  You are making a straw man argument when you write as if they were on her side.  You cannot expect anyone to respect your opinions if you unfairly and innacurately represent the views of your opponents.

In terms of Catholic moral theology, it was completely legitimate to refrain from voting for Trump.  This is a Catholic forum and it is not appropriate to keep attacking people for doing something they were permitted to do by Church teaching.

Those like Mark 79 were on a crusade to see Trump lose... this was not indifference.

It'd be one thing if they acknowledged that Trump was the best choice but that they couldn't do so in good conscience because of X, Y or Z... my responses would have been completely different, but that is not what they did, very far from it.

They'd attack Trump for not being sufficiently pro-life from conception... then purposefully omit Trumps instrumental role in overturning of Roe v Wade after 50 years... then they'd turn a total blind eye to Hαɾɾιs' radical pro-abortion agenda and intention to reinstate Roe v Wade among so much more... incredibly dishonest people those like Mark 79 were and thank God they lost!

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

God Bless
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 09:18:28 AM
Furthermore, the irony with the title of the thread "Australia is F***d"

Well, thanks to Trump winning and Elon Musk trying to restore free speech... we have a real chance, and I thank those Americans very much for this (among many others)... the irony is that if Mark 79 had of had his way in his crusade against Trump for Hαɾɾιs and her ilk to succeed then we really would be F***d right now.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

God Bless
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Jaynek on December 03, 2024, 09:18:45 AM
Those like Mark 79 were on a crusade to see Trump loose... this was not indifference.

I cannot think of any posts here that could be reasonably described that way.  Some people were genuinely concerned about their culpability in voting for a candidate with immoral policies.  It had nothing to do with wanting him to lose.  It was Catholics thinking like Catholics.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 09:26:39 AM
I hesitate to feed the lying bipolar Judaizing troll…

I have explicitly stated that hαɾɾιs and Trump are both evil. While of course no human can give an exact calculation, I offered the tongue-in-cheek calculation that Trump is 94%abortionist/100%genocidalist. hαɾɾιs is 100%abortionist/94%genocidalist. It is an outright lie to claim that I wanted hαɾɾιs to win.

You, Josh987654321, are so manic that you repeatedly pour out lies stating that I and others wanted hαɾɾιs to win. You have been repeatedly corrected on this point, yet you willfully continue to lie with calumny.

You are a heretic, a Judaizer who (1) contradicts Scripture that explicitly states only a remnant of Jєωs will be saved in The End and (2) that Catholics need a Jєωιѕн understanding of Scripture.

You post manically and impulsively, so breathlessly, that your kindergarten grammar errors suggest you are so revved up with manic bipolar disorder that you are not even proof-reading your posts.

Your posts are typically disconnected, irrational, "flow-of-consciousness," non-sequitur word salad, much as the "pressured speech" of manic bipolar disorder.

You mentioned suicidality without any prompting, highly suggestive of the impulsivity of manic bipolar disorder.

Please have the decency to not inflict your mental illness on us.

If you have your lithium prescription, take it. If you don't have your  lithium prescription, seek help today.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: LeDeg on December 03, 2024, 10:57:24 AM
same with the Nαzιs (who I might remind people, the swastika is a roman pagan symbol that no Christian should revere, they were also darwinian evolutionists and eugenicists), 
Ignoramus. The Swastika can found in many churches and monasteries throughout Europe. It is a stylized cross. 

If "nαzιsm" was "Darwinian", then you are saying Pius XI was moron, as he endorsed them as an political party and by tendering to them the Reichkonkordat after helping them get elected. 

Get real and stay in your lane. 
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: OABrownson1876 on December 03, 2024, 11:10:37 AM
An SSPX seminarian told me many years ago that the Australian authorities came into their seminary and pulled Hitler's Mein Kampf.  The Aussies lost their gun rights during the Bill "Commie" Clinton years.  The patriotic Aussies should have just shot a bunch of Federales and hung their bodies from the trees to send a subtle reminder of how it's done in the Land Down Under.  Kill enough of them and they will get the message.  Remember the rule:  If the commies come to your door, if you kill one, you are even; if you kill more than one you are ahead of the game.  
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Godefroy on December 03, 2024, 11:52:26 AM
Ignoramus. The Swastika can found in many churches and monasteries throughout Europe. It is a stylized cross.

If "nαzιsm" was "Darwinian", then you are saying Pius XI was moron, as he endorsed them as an political party and by tendering to them the Reichkonkordat after helping them get elected.

Get real and stay in your lane.
Here is a very early example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus_in_art (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus_in_art)

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Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 04:13:13 PM
Ignoramus. …

Truly! …and added to the indictment of josh987654321!

An aside, it is amusing that Satan's Chosen People get wrapped around the axle over the swastika… (((They))) have used it themselves: https://archive.md/Iu1B6

Certainly the ignorant, lying, bipolar Judaizing troll would not have admitted that his spiritual advisers*** have used the swastika, even if he had known it.

***Remember that the troll has recommended that the Jєωs advise us about the correct understanding of Scripture (…and swastikas???).


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Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 04:36:04 PM
Here's some more "Jєωιѕн understanding" about PAGAN POLYTHEITSIC JUDAISM for the Judaizer: https://archive.md/Iu1B6
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sun worship, Birkat ha-Hammah (https://archive.md/o/Iu1B6/mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/02/more-pagan-judaism-birkat-ha-hammah.html)
Sun worship persists even though Ezechiel 8:16-18 (https://archive.md/o/Iu1B6/www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=31&ch=8&l=16%23x) specifically damns it as an abomination in the eyes of God):

“And he brought me into the inner court of the house of the Lord: and behold at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men having their backs towards the temple of the Lord, and their faces to the east: and they adored towards the rising of the sun.  And he said to me: Surely thou hast seen, O son of man: is this a light thing to the house of Juda, that they should commit these abominations which they have committed here: because they have filled the land with iniquity, and have turned to provoke me to anger? and behold they put a branch to their nose.  Therefore I also will deal with them in my wrath: my eye shall not spare them, neither will I shew mercy: and when they shall cry to my ears with a loud voice, I will not hear them.”
Ezechiel 8:16-18 (https://archive.md/o/Iu1B6/www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=31&ch=8&l=16%23x)

“The religion of the god Baal was widely accepted among the ancient Jєωs, and although it was put down at times, it was never permanently stamped out. Kings and other royalty of the ten Biblical tribes worshiped the god. The ordinary people ardently worshiped this sun god too because their prosperity depended on the productivity of their crops and livestock. The god’s images were erected on many buildings. Within the religion there appeared to be numerous priests and various classes of devotees. During the ceremonies they wore appropriate robes. The ceremonies included burning incense, and offering burnt sacrifices, occasionally consisting of human victims. The officiating priests danced around the altars, chanting frantically and cutting themselves with knives to inspire the attention and compassion of the god.”
Entry for “Baal,” Encyclopedia Mythica (https://archive.md/o/Iu1B6/www.pantheon.org/articles/b/baal.html)

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moon worship, kiddush levanah (https://archive.md/o/Iu1B6/mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/02/blessing-of-moon.html)

Exodus 12:3 simply reads, “This month shall be to you the beginning of months…,” a simple designation of the date of the new year. The rabbis have perverted the simple ordering of dates into a Kabbalistic ceremony conjuring their goddess Shekinah.

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Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 05:06:49 PM
for the Bennyvacantist Judaizer… 

https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/12/benedicts-magick-hat.html

Saturday, December 5, 2009

Benedict's Magick Zionist Crusader Hat (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/12/benedicts-magick-hat.html)

Updated with comments, Dec. 6.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057im_/http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T8t5gwy9dIw/Sxn6dmad55I/AAAAAAAAAVI/zfju8a-G4Ww/s400/Benedict+hexagram+miter.jpg) (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T8t5gwy9dIw/Sxn6dmad55I/AAAAAAAAAVI/zfju8a-G4Ww/s1600-h/Benedict+hexagram+miter.jpg)
Benedict XVI at a canonization ceremony (of five) in St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican Sunday, Oct. 11, 2009 (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://www.newsahead.com/preview/2009/10/11/vatican-11-oct-2009-pope-benedict-xvi-proclaims-sainthood-for-five-europeans/index.php) wearing a hexagram mitre

(https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057im_/http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_T8t5gwy9dIw/Sxn7kcNzGHI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/_cjTyh3YMQQ/s400/Benedict+hexagram+miter_02.jpg) (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_T8t5gwy9dIw/Sxn7kcNzGHI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/_cjTyh3YMQQ/s1600-h/Benedict+hexagram+miter_02.jpg)
... with 11 stones on each side. Note the Templar crosses.


Credit to http://sedevacante-pax.blogspot.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://sedevacante-pax.blogspot.com/) for this find.

Original photo sources:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fT6gzRefX2vT (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://www.daylife.com/photo/0fT6gzRefX2vT)

http://www.catholicpressphoto.com/servizi/2009-10-11%20canonizzazione/page4.htm (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://www.catholicpressphoto.com/servizi/2009-10-11 canonizzazione/page4.htm)



At a canonization of five saints, Oct, 11, 2009, Benedict wore a mitre bearing large hexagrams and 11 stones on each side. Since the 16th century the hexagram 11, and 22 are highly significant in Lurianic Kabbalah. They have no strong significance in Catholicism that I am aware of. Also, his pallium has 6 Templar crosses on it.

This taken by itself is interesting to me at most. If Benedict was an orthodox pope I might overlook this suspicious almalgam of symbols. But let's look at Benedict's fruits.

On his watch, the rightly blackened legacy of the Templars--a violent group of Zionist international bankers with occult religious practices--was rehabilitated HERE (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/10/occultists-to-absolve-themselves.html) and HERE. (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21267691/?GT1=10450)

Benedict was the major player in the rehabilitation of the rightly blackened image of the Zionist state shortly after its despicable 22 day-long rampage on Gaza HERE, (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/05/benedicts-peace-pilgrimage-hasbara.html) HERE, (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/05/will-benedicts-pilgrimage-boost-israels.html) HERE. (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/05/benedict-praises-noahide-law-commission.html)

Benedict is, I think it's fair to say, a compulsive proponent of so-called 'dialogue,' a Kabbalistic kind of sorcery utterly foreign to Catholicism also promoted by Kabbalists such as Rabbi Abraham Heschel and Martin Buber. Benedict has gone so far as to make 'dialogue' with 'the elder brothers' a religious mandate HERE (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/11/dialogue-with-people-of-тαℓмυd-sacred.html).

His acts of approval of Kabbalist rabbis and their traditions are too many to list. He even gave a text written by the Kabbalist Jacob ben Asher the "Ba'al ha-Turim" (Master of the Pillars) as a gift during his NYC Passover Eve ѕуηαgσgυє visit HERE (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/04/observations-on-benedict-xvis-passover.html).

These and the many, many other rotten fruits of Benedict XVI are far more troubling to me than some symbols on his vestments. But the fact that he does these things and also displays the relevant symbols is rather brazen in my opinion. He's apparently attempting to sanctify these symbols by placing them in such a prominent place as a papal mitre during a canonization liturgy.

Also see:

Occultists to Absolve Themselves (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/10/occultists-to-absolve-themselves.html)

Benedict's Hasbara Mission (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/05/benedicts-peace-pilgrimage-hasbara.html)

Will Benedict's Pilgrimage Boost "Israel's" Image or Destroy His Own? (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/05/will-benedicts-pilgrimage-boost-israels.html)

Pope's Speech to American Zionist Leaders, Feb. 12 (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/02/popes-speech-to-american-zionist.html)

Benedict Praises "Noahide Law" Commission (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2009/05/benedict-praises-noahide-law-commission.html)

Benedict's Zionist Easter "Convert" Attempts Resuscitation of "Islamofascist Threat" for U.S. Presidential Election (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/10/benedicts-kosher-convert-resuscitate.html)

Pope Benedict and Synod Rabbi: Like Yin and Yang (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2008/10/pope-benedicts-synod-rabbi-friend-of.html)

Scalia "Traditionalism" (https://web.archive.org/web/20091212083057/http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/12/scalia-traditionalism.html)

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Title: Misconception about the six pointed star.
Post by: AMDG forever on December 03, 2024, 07:24:42 PM

It is a common misconception today that the six pointed star is solely used by Jews as a symbol. The Church has used it for centuries in decorating Her churches.

(Disclaimer: I’m a sedevacantist, rejecting Roncalli onward.)


The Basilica of Saint Praxedes in Rome:


(https://i.imgur.com/Lpk3hY6.jpeg)



The Basilica of Saint Crisogono in Rome:



(https://i.imgur.com/6ShM1o3.jpeg)


The Basilica of Saint Mary in Cosmedin in Rome:

(https://i.imgur.com/JBJg9eh.jpeg)


The Basilica of Saint Lawrence Outside the Walls in Rome:


(https://i.imgur.com/MoMYhAi.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0UT8rZV.jpeg)


The Basilica of Saint Claire in Assisi:


(https://i.imgur.com/Y6Kqr7p.jpeg)


The Duomo in Siena, Italy:

(https://i.imgur.com/TSc7qxa.jpeg)


The Duomo in Orvieto, Italy:



(https://i.imgur.com/X8sTLW3.jpeg)









Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 07:43:28 PM
If "nαzιsm" was "Darwinian", then you are saying Pius XI was moron, as he endorsed them as an political party and by tendering to them the Reichkonkordat after helping them get elected.

Get real and stay in your lane.

MIT BRENNENDER SORGE
https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html


(Highlight the entire link, copy and paste it into the URL of your browser, the hyperlink here is broken but the URL is accurate and works)

Any Christian who reveres Nαzιsm is a total idiot and certainly not Christian and just like Mark 79 and these other posts, totally dishonest people, to pretend like Nαzιsm was not Atheist, Darwinian Evolutionist and Eugenicist is completely dumb and then you have the gall to call me a moron... you are the moron.


Just as those who try to slander Pope Pius XI as 'Hitler's Pope' we could say the same thing about Pope Pius VII and his Concordat of 1801 with France... taking history and the circuмstances they were in totally out of context and always picking and choosing to suit your totally dishonest agendas.

Like I said, totally dishonest. It's an attack from without and from within, as they try to slander Pope Pius XI as 'Hitler's Pope' conveniently omitting important docuмents such as Mit Brenneder Srorge and have no idea of the circuмstances they were in, then people like yourself in your arrogance and ignorance believe them and then argue the same case adding to and compounding the slander. 


"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 08:19:00 PM
Ignoramus. The Swastika can found in many churches and monasteries throughout Europe. It is a stylized cross.

No, it's a pagan symbol from ancient Rome, which if anything was attempted to be used as a Christian symbol in an attempt to adapt it for Christ during some parts of historical artwork, as other pagan symbols were attempted to be readapted during many periods of history and those things have always been questionable.

Hitler most certainly did not stylize his Reich on the Holy Roman Empire, but rather the Pagan Roman Empire and to claim or imply that it was the Holy Roman Empire is completely stupid and shows your own ignorance (and it'd be one thing if you were ignorant, but the name calling and total arrogance of such ignorance is what's so offensive)... just like Napoleon chased after Pagan Rome so did Hitler, who also greatly admired Napoleon another fact conveniently left out of the history books... both of whom ignored and discarded those like Charlemagne and Constantine the Great, also omitted from the history books.

This is also why it's so damaging to ban history such as nαzιsm, because it allows fools like yourself to propagate such lies without challenge, as nobody can study these things and discover the nonsense those like yourself are peddling here.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 08:29:58 PM
No, it's a pagan symbol from ancient Rome…
Not just a troll with psychiatric problems, but also an asshole.

We have linked to examples of the swastika's use in pre-Roman cultures and even in ancient Buddhist and Hindu cultures… and the asshole just repeats his error. LeDeg also notes Pope Pius XI's endorsement of the National Socialists and the asshole again denies the evidence.

(https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/6e/ac/1f/6eac1f56325ad10fe881aa02ef4d0b79.png?width=568)

I hesitate to feed the ignorant, lying, bipolar Judaizing troll…

I have explicitly stated that hαɾɾιs and Trump are both evil. While of course no human can give an exact calculation, I offered the tongue-in-cheek calculation that Trump is 94%abortionist/100%genocidalist. hαɾɾιs is 100%abortionist/94%genocidalist. It is an outright lie to claim that I wanted hαɾɾιs to win.

You, Josh987654321, are so manic that you repeatedly pour out lies stating that I and others wanted hαɾɾιs to win. You have been repeatedly corrected on this point, yet you willfully continue to lie with calumny.

You are a heretic, a Judaizer who (1) contradicts Scripture that explicitly states only a remnant of Jєωs will be saved in The End and (2) that Catholics need a Jєωιѕн understanding of Scripture.

You post manically and impulsively, so breathlessly, that your kindergarten grammar errors suggest you are so revved up with manic bipolar disorder that you are not even proof-reading your posts.

Your posts are typically disconnected, irrational, "flow-of-consciousness," non-sequitur word salad, much as the "pressured speech" of manic bipolar disorder.

You mentioned suicidality without any prompting, highly suggestive of the impulsivity of manic bipolar disorder.

Please have the decency to not inflict your mental illness on us.

If you have your lithium prescription, take it. If you don't have your  lithium prescription, seek help today.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 08:55:23 PM
Not just a troll with psychiatric problems, but also an asshole.

Because you can't get away with such lies and dishonesty with me.

The swastika, whether you can find it in some obscure artworks trying to be adapted toward Christendom, was most certainly not used in such a way for Nαzιsm, it was used for it's pagan symbolism.

It most certainly was not a Chi-Rho of the Holy Roman Empire and it is outrageous for so called 'Christians' to try and claim such a thing with Nαzιsm, which was Atheist, Darwinian Evolutionist and Eugenicist. Like I said, Pope Pius XI gets slandered as 'Hilter's Pope' an outrageous lie by those outside and within the Church... both who slander him as such have clearly omitted important docuмents like Mit Brennender Sorge and taken things totally out of context picking and choosing and slandering people for their own dishonest agendas.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."





Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 09:10:02 PM
Because you can't get away with such lies and dishonesty with me.

The swastika, whether you can find it in some obscure artworks trying to be adapted toward Christendom, was most certainly not used in such a way for nαzιsm, it was used for it's pagan symbolism of Ancient Pagan Rome.

It most certainly was not a Chi-Rho of the Holy Roman Empire [Straw man. Nobody made any Chi-Rho claim] and it is outrageous for so called 'Christians' to claim such a thing with nαzιsm, which was Atheist, Darwinian Evolutionist and Eugenicist. Like I said, Pope Pius XI [<<< :laugh1::laugh2::jester: It was Pope Pius XII who was slandered as "Hitler's Pope," not Pius XI, moron] gets slandered as 'Hilter's Pope' an outrageous lie by those outside and within the Church... both who slander him as such have clearly omitted important docuмents like Mit Brennender Sorge [actually penned for Pope Pius XI by Cdl. Pacelli (Pius XII), moron] and taken things totally out of context picking and choosing and slandering people for their own dishonest agendas. [You mean, slanders like saying people on CathInfo wanted hαɾɾιs for President??? Hypocrite.]

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

 

You, who repeatedly spread lies about posters here, have no claim to honesty. You don't even care enough about honesty to review the link I provided with examples wherein the symbol long preceded the Roman Empire. The swastika examples are so "obscure" that the swastika is found widely in ancient temples of Japan, India, and elsewhere in Asia. None of those cultures had any significant contact with the Roman Empire or the Etruscan predecessors of the Romans. You are ignorant of the widespread use of the swastika and too arrogant, dishonest, mentally ill, and Judaized to simply admit you were wrong and move on.

More dumb shit ignorance on your part… it is Pius XII, not Pius XI, who was dubbed "Hitler's Pope" by your spiritual advisers. Further, it was Cdl. Pacelli (later Pius XII) who wrote Mit Brenender Sorge for his predecessor Pius XI.  "Like [you] said…"  :laugh2:

Now… go take your lithium with some gefilte fish.

Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 03, 2024, 09:23:31 PM
It is Pius XII, not Pius XI, who was dubbed "Hitler's Pope" by your people. Further, it was Cdl. Pacelli (later Pius XII) who wrote Mit Brenender Sorge for his predecessor Pius XI.  "Like [you] said…"  :laugh2:

You are full of contradictions!

Okay, so was Pope Pius XI Hitler's Pope or not? Was Pope Pius XII Hitler's Pope or not? You imply these things and then when called out you hide behind your ambiguity.

So what do you make of Mit Brennender Sorge then? Is the Swastika a Christian symbol or not? Did the Nαzιs use it as a Christian symbol or not?

You accuse myself of that which you are guilty of. Nobody was more vocal in their crusade against Trump than you were and you were very content to see hαɾɾιs win, you were not indifferent... you didn't 'not care' who won, you were adamantly insisting that Christians not vote for Trump and were the most vocal in their crusade against Trump on these forums.

You laugh and mock, which is a testament to your arrogance as there are many posts of yours I will be able to find on this matter... just be patient.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 09:54:34 PM

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You are full of contradictions!


No contradiction.

Your spiritual advisers, liars like you, claim that Pope Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) was "Hitler's Pope." The invidious nickname was first coined by the damned Jєω Daniel Goldhagen as the title of his slanderous book about Pope Pius XII.

You are the first moron I have seen claim that Pope Pius XI was "Hitler's Pope."

Before you start braying more stupidities, you might consider learning what you are talking about. Your mother should have taught you: "Better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Pope Pius XI endorsed the National Socialists as LeDeg stated. After the National Socialists began to persecute some in the Church, Cdl. Pacelli ("Hitler's Pope) penned Mit Brennendfer Sorge on behalf of Pope Pius XI who signed it.

That's not a contradiction; Pope Pius XI and Cdl. Pacelli dealt with a changing situation. Deal with it.



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Okay, so was Pope Pius XI Hitler's Pope or not? Was Pope Pius XII Hitler's Pope or not? You imply these things and then when called out you hide behind your ambiguity.

I implied nothing. I explicitly stated that Goldhagen and your Jєωs gave Pacelli/Pope Pius XII the invidious nickname.  The "implication" and "ambiguity" are in your mentally ill imagination… as usual for you.


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So what do you make of Mit Brennender Sorge then?


So you can twist my explicit statements into their opposites again??? No way, jerk.


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You accuse myself of that which you are guilty of. Nobody was more vocal in their crusade against Trump than you were and you were very content to see hαɾɾιs win, you were not indifferent... you didn't 'not care' who won, you were adamantly insisting that Christians not vote for Trump and were the most vocal in their crusade against Trump on these forums.


You are mentally defective and/or a liar.

I have consistently stated:
1. Trump and hαɾɾιs are both evil, with subtle differences that make neither a "lesser unworthy" candidate.
2. Catholics may not do (or vote for) evil.
3. Rampant fraud and your "two Jєω party System" mean elections are just kayfabe, a show to pacify the goyim.
4. You are a two-fold heretic who spreads poison in the flock.



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You laugh and mock, which is a testament to your arrogance


You are a contumacious heretic, defiantly ignorant, a slanderous calumniator, and a pesty troll in a manic phase of bipolar disorder. If you thought I would play kissy-face/grab-ass with you, you were seriously mistaken.


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as there are many posts of yours I will be able to find on this matter... just be patient.


I would be shocked if you actually adduce verbatim quotes consistent with your slanders.
Your pattern of psycho behavior predicts that you will just "rev up" your straw man hysterical paraphrasing and delusions born of your mental illness.

Now will you abjure your heresies? … retract your slanders? …acknowledge your stupid historical errors? …take your lithium?
Title: Re: Misconception about the six pointed star.
Post by: WorldsAway on December 03, 2024, 10:14:41 PM
It is a common misconception today that the six pointed star is solely used by Jews as a symbol. The Church has used it for centuries in decorating Her churches.

(Disclaimer: I’m a sedevacantist, rejecting Roncalli onward.)


The Basilica of Saint Praxedes in Rome:


(https://i.imgur.com/Lpk3hY6.jpeg)



The Basilica of Saint Crisogono in Rome:



(https://i.imgur.com/6ShM1o3.jpeg)


The Basilica of Saint Mary in Cosmedin in Rome:

(https://i.imgur.com/JBJg9eh.jpeg)


The Basilica of Saint Lawrence Outside the Walls in Rome:


(https://i.imgur.com/MoMYhAi.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0UT8rZV.jpeg)


The Basilica of Saint Claire in Assisi:


(https://i.imgur.com/Y6Kqr7p.jpeg)


The Duomo in Siena, Italy:

(https://i.imgur.com/TSc7qxa.jpeg)


The Duomo in Orvieto, Italy:



(https://i.imgur.com/X8sTLW3.jpeg)
Pretty sure all of the examples you have given are from the 12th century at the earliest, with some of the places having been restored/renovated multiple times as late as the 19th and 20th century. I don't think I've seen anything linking the six-pointed star to actual Church tradition
Title: Re: Misconception about the six pointed star.
Post by: Mark 79 on December 03, 2024, 10:27:30 PM
Pretty sure all of the examples you have given are from the 12th century at the earliest, with some of the places having been restored/renovated multiple times as late as the 19th and 20th century. I don't think I've seen anything linking the six-pointed star to actual Church tradition
Good eye. Strong point.  Given my interest in protecting Catholics from the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, I am reasonably alert to such information and the only relevant connection I have found to Apostolic Tradition is the condemnation of the Star of Rempham.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 04, 2024, 12:16:41 AM
Now will you abjure your heresies? … retract your slanders? …acknowledge your stupid historical errors? …take your lithium?

This is a good one -
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/reminder-catholic-principles-on-the-obligation-of-voting/msg960025/#msg960025

This is the perfect testament to your own stupidity and short sightedness.

Roe v Wade had been law since 1973, it's finally overturned in 2022 by Trump and instead of being happy and building on such success, all you did was condemn and sabotage, then you scoff about how Australia is f***d when in reality we thankfully are not because dumbasses like yourself lost and there are platforms such as X with Elon Musk and VPN's etc so they have no way to enforce such things... If you had your way, then we really would be screwed but even in that case you would be even more screwed than myself, just as the Vendee you put on such a pedestal, or the desire to burn it all down so you can 'build something new' (in reality you just want to rule over the ashes)... you cannot see that with Chernobyl and the town of Pripyat, they didn't rebuild anything and it's still a ghost town.

I already answered the other slanders and you keep repeating them.
https://www.cathinfo.com/computers-and-technology/something-sinister-is-afoot-here/msg962191/#msg962191

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2024, 12:40:16 AM
This is a good one -
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/reminder-catholic-principles-on-the-obligation-of-voting/msg960025/#msg960025

This is the perfect testament to your own stupidity and short sightedness.


I see why you didn't quote me verbatim, but, as I predicted just raved your own delusions.

Here, in its entirety, is my verbatim quote linked by you:


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Quote from: Mark 79 on November 04, 2024, 05:27:33 AM
We Arizonans have a duty to vote against that ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian abortion amendment… as we were specifically advised in all yesterday's sermons. Our pastor who delivered those sermons was quite clear and perfectly correct that the abortion amendment was the only matter on our ballot to which we are dutibound.

I have voted against that ballot measure.


Take each sentence and let readers decide how "stupid and short-sighted" each sentence is.

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We Arizonans have a duty to vote against that ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian abortion amendment…

FACT: Our Arizona ballot had a proposition that made abortion a constitutional right.

FACT: Abortion is disproportionately Jєωιѕн in origin and in the lawfare that made abortion so prevalent.

FACT: Abortion is satanic.

HENCE: An amendment that enshrines abortion as a state constitutional right is both Jєωιѕн and satanic, so is ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian.


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…as we were specifically advised in all yesterday's sermons. Our pastor who delivered those sermons was quite clear and perfectly correct that the abortion amendment was the only matter on our ballot to which we are dutibound.


FACT: Our Prior at Our Lady of Sorrows in Phoenix AZ USA, Fr. MacFarland, delivered the sermons at the Masses on Sunday, Nov 2, 2024.

FACT: In those sermons, Fr MacFarland explicitly stated that the only issue on the ballot on which Catholics were obliged to vote AND Vote "No," was the proposed state abortion right amendment.

HENCE: Reality is neither "stupid" nor "shortsighted. It is what it is.

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I have voted against that ballot measure.


FACT: I have voted against that ballot measure.

HENCE:  You deem it "stupid and short-sighted" to have done my duty to vote against a state constitutional amendment enshrining a "right" to abortion.

So, on the one hand you boast about a SCOTUS decision ("Trump") that actually allows states to legalize abortion —AND— on the other hand you deem my post about fulfilling my Catholic duty to oppose abortion to be "stupid and short-sighted."

The rest of your drivel is your own misinterpretation of reality, facts that you deny, so your opinions derivative of delusional denial of reality, are equally delusional.

You are plum nuts. Take your lithium.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 04, 2024, 12:46:49 AM
The rest of your drivel is your own misinterpretation of reality, facts that you deny, so your opinions derivative of delusional denial of reality, are equally delusional.

That whole reply is like the very definition of the saying "Miss the forest for the trees".

I did quote you verbatim. It's all in the link. 
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2024, 12:58:03 AM
That whole reply is like the very definition of the saying "Miss the forest for the trees".

As if your denial of realities, (1) what Fr. MacFarland correctly taught in his sermon and (2) my doing my Catholic duty, makes me "stupid and short-sighted" and now also "missing the forest for the trees."

No. A few of us have accused Trump of being 94% pro-abortion. Tragically Arizona passed the abortion right amendment, so "another domino fell." The USA is moving towards the 94% abortion that your idol Trump wants… As some have noted, a few states prohibit abortion. So, the location of abortions changed and you celebrate that. Meanwhile, as Fr. MacFarland explicitly stated in his sermons, both the total number of surgical and chemical abortions have INCREASED since the Dobbs decision.… and you feign that you see "the forest."

You are plum nuts. Take your lithium and stop spreading poison in the flock.

Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2024, 01:02:09 AM
…I did quote you verbatim. It's all in the link.

verbatim | vərˈbādəm |
adverb
in exactly the same words as were used originally


No, you did not quote me verbatim.  A link is neither a "quote" nor "exactly the same words as were used originally."

You are plum nuts and stupid. Take your lithium. Stop spreading poison in the flock.
Title: Re: Misconception about the six pointed star.
Post by: AMDG forever on December 04, 2024, 07:03:29 AM
Pretty sure all of the examples you have given are from the 12th century at the earliest, with some of the places having been restored/renovated multiple times as late as the 19th and 20th century. I don't think I've seen anything linking the six-pointed star to actual Church tradition

If you are correct with the dating, which I believe is probably accurate, how do you rationalize the fact that the Church allowed the six pointed star to be used to decorate Her churches for centuries?
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2024, 10:28:03 AM
If you are correct with the dating, which I believe is probably accurate, how do you rationalize the fact that the Church allowed the six pointed star to be used to decorate Her churches for centuries?

Satan has worked tirelessly to subvert all good in the world. The ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan has abetted all manner of subversion.

There is no reason to "rationalize" anything. Think "SUBVERSION."

Just as subversives tried to "baptize" the тαℓмυd and Kabbalah (e.g., the Medici Pope Leo X funded publication of the Bomberg edition of the тαℓмυd, the most ornate тαℓмυd ever), subversives could easily have infiltrated the Star of Rempham into architecture before the eyes of the ignorant and those insufficiently on guard.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: AMDG forever on December 04, 2024, 01:45:16 PM
Satan has worked tirelessly to subvert all good in the world. The ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan has abetted all manner of subversion.

There is no reason to "rationalize" anything. Think "SUBVERSION."

Just as subversives tried to "baptize" the тαℓмυd and Kabbalah (e.g., the Medici Pope Leo X funded publication of the Bomberg edition of the тαℓмυd, the most ornate тαℓмυd ever), subversives could easily have infiltrated the Star of Rempham into architecture before the eyes of the ignorant and those insufficiently on guard.

That’s presupposing that people were more ignorant than they are today. I simply don’t believe that. 
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: AMDG forever on December 04, 2024, 02:08:42 PM
Satan has worked tirelessly to subvert all good in the world. The ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan has abetted all manner of subversion.

There is no reason to "rationalize" anything. Think "SUBVERSION."

Just as subversives tried to "baptize" the тαℓмυd and Kabbalah (e.g., the Medici Pope Leo X funded publication of the Bomberg edition of the тαℓмυd, the most ornate тαℓмυd ever), subversives could easily have infiltrated the Star of Rempham into architecture before the eyes of the ignorant and those insufficiently on guard.

Reference? He apparently allowed it to be published, but I’ve never seen a reliable reference that suggested he funded it.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Plenus Venter on December 04, 2024, 06:01:49 PM
The very title of this thread is scandalous. It is the spirit of the world, if not worse, brought into the Catholic domain. Removing a few letters does not make an evil word good. Would OLJC speak in such a fashion? Would we speak in this manner before Our Lord and Our Lady? We all ought to be here to edify the Catholic (and non-Catholic) world. I pray that the moderator will rectify this matter.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: AMDG forever on December 04, 2024, 06:23:24 PM
The very title of this thread is scandalous. It is the spirit of the world, if not worse, brought into the Catholic domain. Removing a few letters does not make an evil word good. Would OLJC speak in such a fashion? Would we speak in this manner before Our Lord and Our Lady? We all ought to be here to edify the Catholic (and non-Catholic) world. I pray that the moderator will rectify this matter.

I agree 1000%! Using language like that just shows me how really inept and ignorant someone is. I tried to change the title, to no avail. :mad:
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Gray2023 on December 04, 2024, 06:32:49 PM
Thank you, PV and AMDG, for saying something.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2024, 07:37:40 PM
That’s presupposing that people were more ignorant than they are today. I simply don’t believe that.
Ignorant in the sense of "not knowing."

Do you seriously think a peasant laboring in the fields had the time, inclination, means of communication, and literacy to know about and analyze the intrigues of the Medieval and Renaissance Papacy and Curia?

Communication and educational opportunities are widely available today. Does that mean there is less ignorance today?
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2024, 07:51:58 PM
Reference? He apparently allowed it to be published, but I’ve never seen a reliable reference that suggested he funded it.
As if allowing the Bomberg тαℓмυd edition's publication isn't treacherous and subversive enough???

As if "Freedom of Speech" is a Catholic principle???

How do you assess reliability?

Hoffman discusses the Bomberg тαℓмυd and related subversions in great detail in his book:
The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome
https://www.amazon.com/Occult-Renaissance-Church-Rome/dp/0990954722

I read Hoffman's book. I cross-referenced and corroborated a few of his salient claims and I am convinced in large degree by Hoffman's thesis, namely that The Church hierarchy was infected with тαℓмυdic/kabbalistic influence. That influence festered, trickled down to the Faithful with stereotypical incrementalism, weakened The Church, and exploded at Vatican 2.

A side note:

Let me say this in advance, nearly every time anyone mentions Hoffman, the cranks come put of the woodwork with their calumnies against him. I know Michael and consider him a friend. In the past I have spent days of effort defending him from calumnies. If it happens again, I will not address the calumnies. Instead I will let the calumniators go uncorrected to their personal judgments so that they may discover the truth and suffer their justice and all attendant excruciations. 'nuff said.
Title: Re: Australia getting worse
Post by: AnthonyPadua on December 04, 2024, 08:17:12 PM
I agree 1000%! Using language like that just shows me how really inept and ignorant someone is. I tried to change the title, to no avail. :mad:

The very title of this thread is scandalous. It is the spirit of the world, if not worse, brought into the Catholic domain. Removing a few letters does not make an evil word good. Would OLJC speak in such a fashion? Would we speak in this manner before Our Lord and Our Lady? We all ought to be here to edify the Catholic (and non-Catholic) world. I pray that the moderator will rectify this matter.
Sorry I am Australian sometimes.
Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: AMDG forever on December 04, 2024, 08:33:42 PM
As if allowing the Bomberg тαℓмυd edition's publication isn't treacherous and subversive enough???

As if "Freedom of Speech" is a Catholic principle???

How do you assess reliability?

Hoffman discusses the Bomberg тαℓмυd and related subversions in great detail in his book:
The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome
https://www.amazon.com/Occult-Renaissance-Church-Rome/dp/0990954722

I read Hoffman's book. I cross-referenced and corroborated a few of his salient claims and I am convinced in large degree by Hoffman's thesis, namely that The Church hierarchy was infected with тαℓмυdic/kabbalistic influence. That influence festered, trickled down to the Faithful with stereotypical incrementalism, weakened The Church, and exploded at Vatican 2.

A side note:

Let me say this in advance, nearly every time anyone mentions Hoffman, the cranks come put of the woodwork with their calumnies against him. I know Michael and consider him a friend. In the past I have spent days of effort defending him from calumnies. If it happens again, I will not address the calumnies. Instead I will let the calumniators go uncorrected to their personal judgments so that they may discover the truth and suffer their justice and all attendant excruciations. 'nuff said.

A pre Vatican II Catholic source who was/is not considered modernist leaning by the vast majority of traditional (true) Catholics. Hoffman doesn’t make the cut.
Title: Re: Australia getting worse
Post by: Plenus Venter on December 04, 2024, 09:14:40 PM
Sorry I am Australian sometimes.
That's the way Anthony. I'm from God's own country too, so we have to lead by example!
Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2024, 09:17:21 PM
A pre Vatican II Catholic source who was/is not considered modernist leaning by the vast majority of traditional (true) Catholics. Hoffman doesn’t make the cut.
Interesting that you didn't answer my questions, but had the time and inclination to make a snide remark about Michael.

You expressed no skepticism that Pope Leo X's approval was required for publication.

I'll ask again slightly re-phrased—Isn't Pope Leo X's approval of the Bomberg тαℓмυd publication subversive?

Title: Re: Australia getting worse
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2024, 09:24:18 PM
That's the way Anthony. I'm from God's own country too, so we have to lead by example!

Australia? "God's own country"??? OK… make your case. 

Notwithstanding te sanctimonious policing of verbiage, Australia is indeed… um [searching for a word acceptable to the language police]… far from exemplary.

G'day!
Title: Re: Australia getting worse
Post by: Minnesota on December 04, 2024, 11:06:14 PM
Sorry I am Australian sometimes.
Nothing to apologize for, you're just Australian. They use profanity as a way to inhale.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 04, 2024, 11:30:06 PM
The very title of this thread is scandalous.

For clarification, I agree and I have never used this word, I only use just the letter 'F', as it allows the emphasizing of the message but without the vulgarity of the full word. Not ideal, but I don't say or type the full thing which I agree is too vulgar.

God Bless
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 04, 2024, 11:40:43 PM
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You are full of contradictions!



No contradiction.

Your spiritual advisers, liars like you, claim that Pope Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) was "Hitler's Pope." The invidious nickname was first coined by the damned Jєω Daniel Goldhagen as the title of his slanderous book about Pope Pius XII.

You are the first moron I have seen claim that Pope Pius XI was "Hitler's Pope."

Before you start braying more stupidities, you might consider learning what you are talking about. Your mother should have taught you: "Better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Pope Pius XI endorsed the National Socialists as LeDeg stated. After the National Socialists began to persecute some in the Church, Cdl. Pacelli ("Hitler's Pope) penned Mit Brennendfer Sorge on behalf of Pope Pius XI who signed it.

That's not a contradiction; Pope Pius XI and Cdl. Pacelli dealt with a changing situation. Deal with it.



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Okay, so was Pope Pius XI Hitler's Pope or not? Was Pope Pius XII Hitler's Pope or not? You imply these things and then when called out you hide behind your ambiguity.


I implied nothing. I explicitly stated that Goldhagen and your Jєωs gave Pacelli/Pope Pius XII the invidious nickname.  The "implication" and "ambiguity" are in your mentally ill imagination… as usual for you.


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So what do you make of Mit Brennender Sorge then?



So you can twist my explicit statements into their opposites again??? No way, jerk.


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You accuse myself of that which you are guilty of. Nobody was more vocal in their crusade against Trump than you were and you were very content to see hαɾɾιs win, you were not indifferent... you didn't 'not care' who won, you were adamantly insisting that Christians not vote for Trump and were the most vocal in their crusade against Trump on these forums.



You are mentally defective and/or a liar.

I have consistently stated:
1. Trump and hαɾɾιs are both evil, with subtle differences that make neither a "lesser unworthy" candidate.
2. Catholics may not do (or vote for) evil.
3. Rampant fraud and your "two Jєω party System" mean elections are just kayfabe, a show to pacify the goyim.
4. You are a two-fold heretic who spreads poison in the flock.



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You laugh and mock, which is a testament to your arrogance



You are a contumacious heretic, defiantly ignorant, a slanderous calumniator, and a pesty troll in a manic phase of bipolar disorder. If you thought I would play kissy-face/grab-ass with you, you were seriously mistaken.


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as there are many posts of yours I will be able to find on this matter... just be patient.





Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 04, 2024, 11:55:48 PM
If you thought I would play kissy-face/grab-ass with you, you were seriously mistaken.

What kind of language is this? You are a baiter anyway.

Really there is no point arguing with you. You scoff at Australia and our situation (which is not as dire thanks to those like Trump, Elon Musk and many others), yet if you had your way in the US elections and Trump had lost, you would be WAY worse off than even Australia, like I said, part of me wishes you could've tasted your own medicine there, but I would also be in a much worse position if that had happened and as much as I despise your folly, I'm not suicidal. You lost and thank God.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 05, 2024, 12:07:13 AM
What kind of language is this? You are a baiter anyway.


"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
You are a devious deviant indeed. You made false accusations, I provided evidence against your bogus word salad accusation, so, like a little girl, you complained about my language. I didn't expect that you could or would defend your false accusations or stupidities or abjure your heresies. You made a fool of yourself with your upside-down claims about "Hitler's Pope." I simply post them (and will re-post them) to remind innocent readers of your heresies, lies, defiant ignorance, and mental illness.


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You are full of contradictions!



No contradiction.

Your spiritual advisers, liars like you, claim that Pope Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) was "Hitler's Pope." The invidious nickname was first coined by the damned Jєω Daniel Goldhagen as the title of his slanderous book about Pope Pius XII.

You are the first moron I have seen claim that Pope Pius XI was "Hitler's Pope."

Before you start braying more stupidities, you might consider learning what you are talking about. Your mother should have taught you: "Better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Pope Pius XI endorsed the National Socialists as LeDeg stated. After the National Socialists began to persecute some in the Church, Cdl. Pacelli ("Hitler's Pope) penned Mit Brennendfer Sorge on behalf of Pope Pius XI who signed it.

That's not a contradiction; Pope Pius XI and Cdl. Pacelli dealt with a changing situation. Deal with it.



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Okay, so was Pope Pius XI Hitler's Pope or not? Was Pope Pius XII Hitler's Pope or not? You imply these things and then when called out you hide behind your ambiguity.


I implied nothing. I explicitly stated that Goldhagen and your Jєωs gave Pacelli/Pope Pius XII the invidious nickname.  The "implication" and "ambiguity" are in your mentally ill imagination… as usual for you.


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So what do you make of Mit Brennender Sorge then?



So you can twist my explicit statements into their opposites again??? No way, jerk.


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You accuse myself of that which you are guilty of. Nobody was more vocal in their crusade against Trump than you were and you were very content to see hαɾɾιs win, you were not indifferent... you didn't 'not care' who won, you were adamantly insisting that Christians not vote for Trump and were the most vocal in their crusade against Trump on these forums.



You are mentally defective and/or a liar.

I have consistently stated:
1. Trump and hαɾɾιs are both evil, with subtle differences that make neither a "lesser unworthy" candidate.
2. Catholics may not do (or vote for) evil.
3. Rampant fraud and your "two Jєω party System" mean elections are just kayfabe, a show to pacify the goyim.
4. You are a two-fold heretic who spreads poison in the flock.



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You laugh and mock, which is a testament to your arrogance



You are a contumacious heretic, defiantly ignorant, a slanderous calumniator, and a pesty troll in a manic phase of bipolar disorder. If you thought I would play kissy-face/grab-ass with you, you were seriously mistaken.


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as there are many posts of yours I will be able to find on this matter... just be patient.



I would be shocked if you actually adduce verbatim quotes consistent with your slanders.
Your pattern of psycho behavior predicts that you will just "rev up" your straw man hysterical paraphrasing and delusions born of your mental illness.

Now will you abjure your heresies? … retract your slanders? …acknowledge your stupid historical errors? …take your lithium?
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 05, 2024, 12:13:19 AM
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This is a good one -
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/reminder-catholic-principles-on-the-obligation-of-voting/msg960025/#msg960025 (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/reminder-catholic-principles-on-the-obligation-of-voting/msg960025/#msg960025)

This is the perfect testament to your own stupidity and short sightedness.


I see why you didn't quote me verbatim, but, as I predicted just raved your own delusions.

Here, in its entirety, is my verbatim quote linked by you:


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We Arizonans have a duty to vote against that ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian abortion amendment… as we were specifically advised in all yesterday's sermons. Our pastor who delivered those sermons was quite clear and perfectly correct that the abortion amendment was the only matter on our ballot to which we are dutibound.

I have voted against that ballot measure.



Take each sentence and let readers decide how "stupid and short-sighted" each sentence is.

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We Arizonans have a duty to vote against that ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian abortion amendment…


FACT: Our Arizona ballot had a proposition that made abortion a constitutional right.

FACT: Abortion is disproportionately Jєωιѕн in origin and in the lawfare that made abortion so prevalent.

FACT: Abortion is satanic.

HENCE: An amendment that enshrines abortion as a state constitutional right is both Jєωιѕн and satanic, so is ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian.


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…as we were specifically advised in all yesterday's sermons. Our pastor who delivered those sermons was quite clear and perfectly correct that the abortion amendment was the only matter on our ballot to which we are dutibound.



FACT: Our Prior at Our Lady of Sorrows in Phoenix AZ USA, Fr. MacFarland, delivered the sermons at the Masses on Sunday, Nov 2, 2024.

FACT: In those sermons, Fr MacFarland explicitly stated that the only issue on the ballot on which Catholics were obliged to vote AND Vote "No," was the proposed state abortion right amendment.

HENCE: Reality is neither "stupid" nor "shortsighted. It is what it is.

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I have voted against that ballot measure.



FACT: I have voted against that ballot measure.

HENCE:  You deem it "stupid and short-sighted" to have done my duty to vote against a state constitutional amendment enshrining a "right" to abortion.

So, on the one hand you boast about a SCOTUS decision ("Trump") that actually allows states to legalize abortion —AND— on the other hand you deem my post about fulfilling my Catholic duty to oppose abortion to be "stupid and short-sighted."

The rest of your drivel is your own misinterpretation of reality, facts that you deny, so your opinions derivative of delusional denial of reality, are equally delusional.

You are plum nuts. Take your lithium.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 05, 2024, 12:15:16 AM
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That whole reply is like the very definition of the saying "Miss the forest for the trees".


As if your denial of realities, (1) what Fr. MacFarland correctly taught in his sermon and (2) my doing my Catholic duty, makes me "stupid and short-sighted" and now also "missing the forest for the trees."

No. A few of us have accused Trump of being 94% pro-abortion. Tragically Arizona passed the abortion right amendment, so "another domino fell." The USA is moving towards the 94% abortion that your idol Trump wants… As some have noted, a few states prohibit abortion. So, the location of abortions changed and you celebrate that. Meanwhile, as Fr. MacFarland explicitly stated in his sermons, both the total number of surgical and chemical abortions have INCREASED since the Dobbs decision.… and you feign that you see "the forest."

You are plum nuts. Take your lithium and stop spreading poison in the flock.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 05, 2024, 01:04:01 AM
Fr. MacFarland explicitly stated in his sermons, both the total number of surgical and chemical abortions have INCREASED since the Dobbs decision.… and you feign that you see "the forest."

You are plum nuts. Take your lithium and stop spreading poison in the flock.

Why abortions rose after Roe was overturned -
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortions-rose-roe-overturned-why-rcna181094

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More than 1 million abortions were recorded in the United States in 2023 — the highest in a decade, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion access.

Like I said, I've read all this before and I know your a snake... I call both yours and their bluff, both of you are short sighted, which is good... drink thy own poison. 

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: AMDG forever on December 05, 2024, 02:34:08 AM
Interesting that you didn't answer my questions, but had the time and inclination to make a snide remark about Michael.

You expressed no skepticism that Pope Leo X's approval was required for publication.

I'll ask again slightly re-phrased—Isn't Pope Leo X's approval of the Bomberg тαℓмυd publication subversive?

NO! Imprudent, but certainly not subversive, if what you intended to suggest, by using that word, that he was some sort of infiltrator.

Now, you said that Pope Leo X actually “funded” the project, do you have a reliable Catholic source?
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Godefroy on December 05, 2024, 03:30:22 AM
As if allowing the Bomberg тαℓмυd edition's publication isn't treacherous and subversive enough???

As if "Freedom of Speech" is a Catholic principle???

How do you assess reliability?

Hoffman discusses the Bomberg тαℓмυd and related subversions in great detail in his book:
The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome
https://www.amazon.com/Occult-Renaissance-Church-Rome/dp/0990954722

I read Hoffman's book. I cross-referenced and corroborated a few of his salient claims and I am convinced in large degree by Hoffman's thesis, namely that The Church hierarchy was infected with тαℓмυdic/kabbalistic influence. That influence festered, trickled down to the Faithful with stereotypical incrementalism, weakened The Church, and exploded at Vatican 2.

A side note:

Let me say this in advance, nearly every time anyone mentions Hoffman, the cranks come put of the woodwork with their calumnies against him. I know Michael and consider him a friend. In the past I have spent days of effort defending him from calumnies. If it happens again, I will not address the calumnies. Instead I will let the calumniators go uncorrected to their personal judgments so that they may discover the truth and suffer their justice and all attendant excruciations. 'nuff said.
I have just reread this book. It's even more enlightening the second time around.

If you want to understand why the 19th and 20th century papacies never mentioned the Jews, the terrible (for the Church) concordat between Napoleon and Rome, the (implied) conditions for the Pius IX Rothschild loan, the Leo XIII ralliement to the French Republic,  it's an excellent read. 

French readers can also read Philip Prevost's "L'Eglise et le Ralliement" mentioned here in this excellent interview on Two Cities podcast https://youtu.be/HU9REXei-yE? (https://youtu.be/HU9REXei-yE?)

No traditional catholic has refuted any of the claims made by Hoffman. It's abundantly clear that we need to return to a pre renaissance type of Catholicsm. 


Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: AMDG forever on December 05, 2024, 04:33:23 AM
I have just reread this book. It's even more enlightening the second time around.

If you want to understand why the 19th and 20th century papacies never mentioned the Jєωs, the terrible (for the Church) concordat between Napoleon and Rome, the (implied) conditions for the Pius IX Rothschild loan, the Leo XIII ralliement to the French Republic,  it's an excellent read.

French readers can also read Philip Prevost's "L'Eglise et le Ralliement" mentioned here in this excellent interview on Two Cities podcast https://youtu.be/HU9REXei-yE? (https://youtu.be/HU9REXei-yE?)

No traditional catholic has refuted any of the claims made by Hoffman. It's abundantly clear that we need to return to a pre renaissance type of Catholicsm.


Any book without an imprimatur that deals with religious matters, but especially one that criticizes the Church,  can’t (without committing a sin) be read by any faithful Catholic. You people are allowing your deep seated hatred of the Jєωs to be fueled at the expense of your Catholicism.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 05, 2024, 04:50:42 AM
Why abortions rose after Roe was overturned -
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortions-rose-roe-overturned-why-rcna181094


Like I said, I've read all this before and I know your a snake... I call both yours and their bluff, both of you are short sighted, which is good... drink thy own poison.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."


What? no God Bless me false piety?.

Here's what I said:

As if your denial of realities, (1) what Fr. MacFarland correctly taught in his sermon and (2) my doing my Catholic duty, makes me "stupid and short-sighted" and now also "missing the forest for the trees."

No. A few of us have accused Trump of being 94% pro-abortion. Tragically Arizona passed the abortion right amendment, so "another domino fell." The USA is moving towards the 94% abortion that your idol Trump wants… As some have noted, a few states prohibit abortion. So, the location of abortions changed and you celebrate that. Meanwhile, as Fr. MacFarland explicitly stated in his sermons, both the total number of surgical and chemical abortions [by telemedicine prescription] have INCREASED since the Dobbs decision.… and you feign that you see "the forest."

You are plum nuts. Take your lithium and stop spreading poison in the flock.

You stated :


Why abortions rose after Roe was overturned -
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortions-rose-roe-overturned-why-rcna181094


Like I said, I've read all this before and I know your a snake... I call both yours and their bluff, both of you are short sighted, which is good... drink thy own poison.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."



You, the Judaizer, offered Jєωιѕн-run NBC news as your source. Your Jєωιѕн source offered the Gutmacher Institute, NBC's "got to" pro-abortion Jєωιѕн lobby who stated this:

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More than 1 million abortions were recorded in the United States in 2023 — the highest in a decade, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion access. …Much of the story, it turns out, comes down to a small network of medical providers who found ways to prescribe and ship abortion pills around the country from places where they’re still legal.

That was only possible because of significant action taken by the Food and Drug Administration during the pandemic, which allowed the pills to be dispensed via telemedicine. Then, in the wake of the ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, eight states passed laws that protected providers from being sued for prescribing abortion pills virtually to people from other states.

“The obstacles are actually lower than before Dobbs,” said Dr. Rebecca Gomperts, the Dutch physician who founded Aid Access, an organization that mails abortion medications to individuals who request them. “For people that didn’t have the financial resources or the infrastructure, the logistical structures in place to go to a clinic … I think the landscape now is much better.”

So, your Jєωιѕн source quotes another Jєωιѕн source and the internationally infamous Jєωιѕн abortionist Gompoerts.

Who is Gomperts? She is the doctor who bought a ship, outfitted it for abortion, and anchored just outside the legal jurisdiction of anti-abortion nations. She then shuttled pregnant women onto her ship to have their babies killed. She especially targeted Irish and Polish Catholic babies for murder.

In 2021 [more recent archive versions have already been scrubbed from the (((Wayback Machine)))] here is what my Abortion is from the Jєωs page said about Gomperts: https://tinyurl.com/45ybfwjh

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April 29, 2016, Another Jєωιѕн monster specializes in murdering goyische children, especially Catholic children, using off-shore abortion ships and internet-ordered pills.  [Emphasis added]
Abortion in Europe: Dr. Rebecca Gomperts Takes Entrepreneurial Approach by Cassandra Vinograd
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-abortion-fight/abortion-europe-dr-rebecca-gomperts-takes-entrepreneurial-approach-n559881 (https://archive.is/o/5iYjI/www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-abortion-fight/abortion-europe-dr-rebecca-gomperts-takes-entrepreneurial-approach-n559881)

So, you, the Judaizer, have relied upon multiple Jєωιѕн sources who state that the increase in post-Dobbs abortions is due to —wait for it— location of abortions changedexactly as I said and exactly as you denied.


Like I said, I've read all this before and I know your a snake... I call both yours and their bluff, both of you are short sighted, which is good... drink thy own poison.


So you've "read all this before" and you knowingly denied exactly what I stated, that abortions rose because "Trump's" Dobbs decision merely shifted the location of abortions to abortion-boosting states (by telemedicine)…

…and while lying you dropped and revealed your pose of false piety to insult me ("snake" "short-sighted" "stupid") and leave off your deviously insincere "God Bless you" misdirection.

So:

Exactly as I said… "Trump's" Dobbs decision (1) increased abortion by shifting the location of abortions to the states and (2) made the states untouchable by federal law into the foreseeable future.

You celebrated Dobbs. You idolized Trump.

and

You read the article and knowingly lied about what your own Jєωιѕн sources revealed.

You valued Truth less than honesty, less than protecting your idol Trump, and less than preserving your self-vaunted image of rectitude and piety.

Let's add all this to your indictment.


You are a lying contumacious Judaizing heretic, defiantly ignorant, a slanderous calumniator, and a pesty troll in a manic phase of bipolar disorder who weaponizes false piety.

Read Abortion is from the Jєωs: https://tinyurl.com/45ybfwjh and learn more about your spiritual advisers and their "Jєωιѕн understanding" of murdering our babies.
Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: Mark 79 on December 05, 2024, 05:12:49 AM

Any book without an imprimatur that deals with religious matters, but especially one that criticizes the Church,  can’t (without committing a sin) be read by any faithful Catholic. You people are allowing your deep seated hatred of the Jєωs to be fueled at the expense of your Catholicism.
Here we go again. What infernal Judaizing troll has re-incarnated itself as "AMDG forever"? Is this the mentally ill Nishant or the Salza/Siscoe entity yet again? A self-proclaimed sedevacantist who demands imprimaturs of all he and we read? So intellectually shizophrenic.

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Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: Jaynek on December 05, 2024, 06:14:20 AM
Here we go again. What infernal Judaizing troll has re-incarnated itself as "AMDG forever"? Is this the mentally ill Nishant or the Salza/Siscoe entity yet again? 
Use of colored font is a Nishant thing. 
Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: 2Vermont on December 05, 2024, 06:35:47 AM
Use of colored font is a Nishant thing.
I don't recall that being a thing for him on CI, but maybe I didn't pay enough attention.  IMO, the new poster isn't here long enough/hasn't posted enough to consider him a retread.
Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: Godefroy on December 05, 2024, 06:54:07 AM
Any book without an imprimatur that deals with religious matters, but especially one that criticizes the Church,  can’t (without committing a sin) be read by any faithful Catholic. You people are allowing your deep seated hatred of the Jєωs to be fueled at the expense of your Catholicism.
Anything with with an imprimatur written in the last 50  years cannot be read by any faithful Catholic, without it being a real danger to his faith. 

As to what you call "deep seated hatred", it's just people pointing out the real deep seated hatred jews have for the goyim. 
 
Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: Jaynek on December 05, 2024, 07:04:21 AM
I don't recall that being a thing for him on CI, but maybe I didn't pay enough attention. 
I don't think he did it on CI but it was very noticeable on Suscipe Domine.

  IMO, the new poster isn't here long enough/hasn't posted enough to consider him a retread.
I wouldn't report him yet, but I think he is worth watching out for.
Title: Re: Australia is a mess.
Post by: Godefroy on December 05, 2024, 07:56:36 AM
You people are allowing your deep seated hatred of the Jєωs to be fueled at the expense of your Catholicism.
(https://i.imgur.com/0aElBmZ.jpeg)
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 05, 2024, 08:35:29 AM
What? no God Bless me false piety?.

No. Precisely because it's not false piety... claiming to be wise you have become a fool.

You lost this time and thank God, one day you will succeed though and I just hope when you do that it's only yourself who drinks the poison... the only logical conclusion to your folly. 

I don't know how many times I can say it, you boast of voting for a state anti-abortion bill, but you passionately condemn Trump and passionately insisted Christians not vote for him totally blind to the fact that without the overturning of Roe v Wade you could achieve nothing... you passionately cut the very branch off on which you sit... you failed this time, because many of us are also sitting on this branch and hence why I had to refute a dumbass like yourself... but when it's just you on that branch I certainly won't be saying anything.

Like I said, you scoff at Australia calling us screwed... but in reality we are not precisely because you failed... if you had succeeded in demoralizing, condemning, sabotaging and thus paving the path for hαɾɾιs to win, then we would be screwed... yourself even more so... one day this will probably happen to you and hopefully in a way that leaves myself and many others out of it.

Same thing happened at the beginning of the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars... the Vendee, the Spanish, the Prussians, the Austrians, the Russians at Austerlitz etc... all from aristocrats who were too full of pride.

Of course, with Trump and others I take a risk... and you'll be right there eager to relish in any fall... but you will never create anything and you're already finished you just don't know it yet.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: josh987654321 on December 05, 2024, 08:59:54 AM
So, you, the Judaizer, have relied upon multiple Jєωιѕн sources who state that the increase in post-Dobbs abortions is due to —wait for it— location of abortions changedexactly as I said and exactly as you denied.

You seem to have a habit of purposefully missing points.

I bolded the part which I was speaking about, this was said to me back in 2016 when people pushed for the overturning of Roe v Wade with Trump (first calling it impossible and a ruse, that he could never do it and would never do it... but he did)... the only people who use such fallacious arguments do so for demoralization purposes... yes they will find another way and yes they may even go up... it's still ground the pro-life cause has won, it's still success one can build on, it's still momentum in the pro-life causes favor, and most importantly... it's still the necessary first step without which one cannot achieve anything... those like yourself can't get out of your own hubris to see that, which means you're either incredibly prideful and foolish or you are an infiltrator and saboteur... the very thing you falsely accuse myself of.

The abortion pill by big pharma has a long list of serious side effects and is very painful... if they do it with you they'll do it to you... hardly the victory they claim... many of these women will see just how much these people 'care' about them and how badly they have been deceived IMO. There are also other ways to go about it now, as the field is open to move given the overturning of Roe v Wade... the arrogant will suffer defeats unless they retain their humility... exactly the case with Trumps 6 weeks controversy or whatever... one cannot win with an iron fist, the hearts and minds and legal system must move together, at the same pace. 

Roe v Wade is secured, the next most immediate is a federal ban or something like that on extreme late term and partial birth that the vast majority would agree to... then hearts and minds again such as those like Live Action and telling the truth about what is happening.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 05, 2024, 09:11:45 AM

No. Precisely because it's not false piety... [Josh's usual word salad evasions]
Your word salad addresses none of the evidence against you.

Quote from: josh987654321 on Today at 01:04:01 AM (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/australia-is-f****d/msg965086/#msg965086)

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Why abortions rose after Roe was overturned -
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortions-rose-roe-overturned-why-rcna181094 (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortions-rose-roe-overturned-why-rcna181094)


Like I said, I've read all this before and I know your a snake... I call both yours and their bluff, both of you are short sighted, which is good... drink thy own poison.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."


What? no God Bless me false piety?.

Here's what I said:

Quote from: Mark 79 on Yesterday at 12:58:03 AM (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/australia-is-f****d/msg964977/#msg964977)
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As if your denial of realities, (1) what Fr. MacFarland correctly taught in his sermon and (2) my doing my Catholic duty, makes me "stupid and short-sighted" and now also "missing the forest for the trees."

No. A few of us have accused Trump of being 94% pro-abortion. Tragically Arizona passed the abortion right amendment, so "another domino fell." The USA is moving towards the 94% abortion that your idol Trump wants… As some have noted, a few states prohibit abortion. So, the location of abortions changed and you celebrate that. Meanwhile, as Fr. MacFarland explicitly stated in his sermons, both the total number of surgical and chemical abortions [by telemedicine prescription] have INCREASED since the Dobbs decision.… and you feign that you see "the forest."

You are plum nuts. Take your lithium and stop spreading poison in the flock.


You stated :

Quote from: josh987654321 on Today at 01:04:01 AM (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/australia-is-f****d/msg965086/#msg965086)
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Why abortions rose after Roe was overturned -
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortions-rose-roe-overturned-why-rcna181094 (https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/abortions-rose-roe-overturned-why-rcna181094)


Like I said, I've read all this before and I know your a snake... I call both yours and their bluff, both of you are short sighted, which is good... drink thy own poison.

"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."



You, the Judaizer, offered Jєωιѕн-run NBC news as your source. Your Jєωιѕн source offered the Gutmacher Institute, NBC's "got to" pro-abortion Jєωιѕн lobby who stated this:

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Abortions went up last year and the country’s fertility rate hit a historic low.

More than 1 million abortions were recorded in the United States in 2023 — the highest in a decade, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research group that supports abortion access. …Much of the story, it turns out, comes down to a small network of medical providers who found ways to prescribe and ship abortion pills around the country from places where they’re still legal.

That was only possible because of significant action taken by the Food and Drug Administration during the pandemic, which allowed the pills to be dispensed via telemedicine. Then, in the wake of the ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, eight states passed laws that protected providers from being sued for prescribing abortion pills virtually to people from other states.

“The obstacles are actually lower than before Dobbs,” said Dr. Rebecca Gomperts, the Dutch physician who founded Aid Access, an organization that mails abortion medications to individuals who request them. “For people that didn’t have the financial resources or the infrastructure, the logistical structures in place to go to a clinic … I think the landscape now is much better.”


So, your Jєωιѕн source quotes another Jєωιѕн source and the internationally infamous Jєωιѕн abortionist Gompoerts.

Who is Gomperts? She is the doctor who bought a ship, outfitted it for abortion, and anchored just outside the legal jurisdiction of anti-abortion nations. She then shuttled pregnant women onto her ship to have their babies killed. She especially targeted Irish and Polish Catholic babies for murder.

In 2021 [more recent archive versions have already been scrubbed from the (((Wayback Machine)))] here is what my Abortion is from the Jєωs page said about Gomperts: https://tinyurl.com/45ybfwjh (https://tinyurl.com/45ybfwjh)

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April 29, 2016, Another Jєωιѕн monster specializes in murdering goyische children, especially Catholic children, using off-shore abortion ships and internet-ordered pills.  [Emphasis added]
Abortion in Europe: Dr. Rebecca Gomperts Takes Entrepreneurial Approach by Cassandra Vinograd
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-abortion-fight/abortion-europe-dr-rebecca-gomperts-takes-entrepreneurial-approach-n559881 (https://archive.is/o/5iYjI/www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-abortion-fight/abortion-europe-dr-rebecca-gomperts-takes-entrepreneurial-approach-n559881)


So, you, the Judaizer, have relied upon multiple Jєωιѕн sources who state that the increase in post-Dobbs abortions is due to —wait for it— location of abortions changed… exactly as I said and exactly as you denied.

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Like I said, I've read all this before and I know your a snake... I call both yours and their bluff, both of you are short sighted, which is good... drink thy own poison.


So you've "read all this before" and you knowingly denied exactly what I stated, that abortions rose because "Trump's" Dobbs decision merely shifted the location of abortions to abortion-boosting states (by telemedicine)…

…and while lying you dropped and revealed your pose of false piety to insult me ("snake" "short-sighted" "stupid") and leave off your deviously insincere "God Bless you" misdirection.

So:

Exactly as I said… "Trump's" Dobbs decision (1) increased abortion by shifting the location of abortions to the states and (2) made the states untouchable by federal law into the foreseeable future.

You celebrated Dobbs. You idolized Trump.

and

You read the article and knowingly lied about what your own Jєωιѕн sources revealed.

You valued Truth less than honesty, less than protecting your idol Trump, and less than preserving your self-vaunted image of rectitude and piety.

Let's add all this to your indictment.


You are a lying contumacious Judaizing heretic, defiantly ignorant, a slanderous calumniator, and a pesty troll in a manic phase of bipolar disorder who weaponizes false piety.

Read Abortion is from the Jєωs: https://tinyurl.com/45ybfwjh (https://tinyurl.com/45ybfwjh) and learn more about your spiritual advisers and their "Jєωιѕн understanding" of murdering our babies.
Title: Re: Misconception about the six pointed star.
Post by: WorldsAway on December 05, 2024, 09:24:23 AM
If you are correct with the dating, which I believe is probably accurate, how do you rationalize the fact that the Church allowed the six pointed star to be used to decorate Her churches for centuries?
I don't, because I'm not going to defend Jews, Judaisers or the just plain ignorant. One example would be this Jew: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Matas who designed the facade on the Basilica di Santa Croce: 
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Basilica_di_Santa_Croce_%2812437%29.jpg/788px-Basilica_di_Santa_Croce_%2812437%29.jpg)
Not only was a Jew allowed to design part of a Catholic basilica, he was allowed to insert a very prominent six pointed star right on the front of it, and then he was buried under the basilica. All of this was allowed by Catholics. This is just one example I found in a cursory search, I am sure more can be found.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 05, 2024, 09:40:55 AM
I don't, because I'm not going to defend Jєωs, Judaisers or the just plain ignorant. One example would be this Jєω: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Matas who designed the facade on the Basilica di Santa Croce:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Basilica_di_Santa_Croce_%2812437%29.jpg/788px-Basilica_di_Santa_Croce_%2812437%29.jpg)
Not only was a Jєω allowed to design part of a Catholic basilica, he was allowed to insert a very prominent six pointed star right on the front of it, and then he was buried under the basilica. All of this was allowed by Catholics. This is just one example I found in a cursory search, I am sure more can be found.

Thanks for posting that salient example.

"Hear, O foolish people, and without understanding: who have eyes, and see not: and ears, and hear not." Jeremias 5:21

Title: Re: Misconception about the six pointed star.
Post by: Gray2023 on December 05, 2024, 10:18:33 AM
I don't, because I'm not going to defend Jєωs, Judaisers or the just plain ignorant. One example would be this Jєω: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccol%C3%B2_Matas who designed the facade on the Basilica di Santa Croce:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Basilica_di_Santa_Croce_%2812437%29.jpg/788px-Basilica_di_Santa_Croce_%2812437%29.jpg)
Not only was a Jєω allowed to design part of a Catholic basilica, he was allowed to insert a very prominent six pointed star right on the front of it, and then he was buried under the basilica. All of this was allowed by Catholics. This is just one example I found in a cursory search, I am sure more can be found.
I went down the rabbit hole and found this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpcM38xnX_E

I don't even know what to think right now.  

Here is an older picture of the church.

(https://i.imgur.com/dYhOcYK.jpeg)

Can anyone tell what was at the star of David before it was updated?

Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: WorldsAway on December 05, 2024, 11:31:49 AM
Thanks for posting that salient example.

"Hear, O foolish people, and without understanding: who have eyes, and see not: and ears, and hear not." Jeremias 5:21
Do you think there is any significance of the star being blue on a white background? It's from the mid-19th century
Title: Re: Misconception about the six pointed star.
Post by: AMDG forever on December 05, 2024, 11:36:27 AM
I went down the rabbit hole and found this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpcM38xnX_E

I don't even know what to think right now. 

Here is an older picture of the church.

(https://i.imgur.com/dYhOcYK.jpeg)

Can anyone tell what was at the star of David before it was updated?

I think that the obvious conclusion is not that the Holy Catholic Church was “Judaized”, but that the Jews coopted the symbol for their “religion”. Too many brilliant Catholic theologians would have noticed these things, but some people would rather believe a non Catholic like Hoffman than the goodness of Christ’s Church. This is similar to how the queers coopted the rainbow.
Title: Re: Misconception about the six pointed star.
Post by: Godefroy on December 05, 2024, 11:53:15 AM
I think that the obvious conclusion is not that the Holy Catholic Church was “Judaized”, but that the Jєωs coopted the symbol for their “religion”. Too many brilliant Catholic theologians would have noticed these things, but some people would rather believe a non Catholic like Hoffman than the goodness of Christ’s Church. This is similar to how the queers coopted the rainbow.
A Jєωιѕн architect places the 6 pointed hexagram on the front of church and you think there is nothing to see there?
Title: Re: Misconception about the six pointed star.
Post by: Gray2023 on December 05, 2024, 01:03:21 PM
A Jєωιѕн architect places the 6 pointed hexagram on the front of church and you think there is nothing to see there?
Well it seems purposeful.  What was there before?  Also those who are venerated at that particular Church seem to be a very eclectic bunch of people.  Some good Catholics, some maybe not.

So, if you are just figuring out that the Holy Catholic Church has been slowly dismantled by the Jews (whether intentionally or by accident, they still seem to be heavily influenced by their hatred of Christianity) having played a major part in the dismantling the Church, then what happens next?
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Pax Vobis on December 05, 2024, 03:52:39 PM
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A Jєωιѕн architect places the 6 pointed hexagram on the front of church and you think there is nothing to see there?
Right.  As if there were no precursors to freemasons/jews in the Middle Ages.  :facepalm:  Go read about the Knights Templars or the jews in spain.  People who don't know history think that the Middle Ages was some kind of Catholic utopia where nothing bad happened.  Or they think that V2 was the first time the Church had been infiltrated.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: Mark 79 on December 05, 2024, 03:57:35 PM
Do you think there is any significance of the star being blue on a white background? It's from the mid-19th century

There is much about the gematria and geometry of the star that is ancient, but I have not run across anything ancient about the colors.

The earliest claim I have found regards a 19th century ʝʊdɛօ-Zionist poet von Frankl who claimed in a poem that blue and white were "Judah's colors."

If you or anyone else find something earlier, I'd be interested to know of it.  The Star of Rempham flag has appeared in different shades of blue… sky blue, dark blue, cyan, etc., so I would be surprised if there was any legitimate ancient lineage to the variety of colors. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that the colors were like so many things Jєωιѕн, a bunch of made-up manure.
Title: Re: Australia is F****d
Post by: alaric on December 05, 2024, 05:59:53 PM
Also it's now illegal to drive a car in 'sports mode' in South Australia. This is the same country that has an official for ‘Men’s Behavior Change' in the state of Victoria. Australia also just passed a law where Social media platforms will have to start verifying the age of Australian users by this time next year but cannot require a government form of identity as the only means of doing so.11:30pm.... really makes you think. Also they recently gave out free tickets to the zoo but you had to sign up for Digital ID. They claim this new law is to stop those under 16 from using Social media, but the only way to enforce this would be to make everyone require something like a Digital ID.


Also they tried to pass a “misinformation and disinformation bill" which had subjective language.... also this in Australia it's illegal to have nαzι imagery saved on your devices, and posting them can give you prison time.




https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/nαzι-salute-and-hate-symbols-now-outlawed-08-01-2024#:~:text=It%20is%20now%20unlawful%20to,nαzιs%20and%20their%20evil%20ideology.
Australia also has a very high (((vaccination))) rate for covid.

This country is so gαy please get me outta here.
Tie me kangaroo down sport, tie me kangaroo down.:clown:
Title: Some background on Santa Croce in Florence
Post by: AMDG forever on December 06, 2024, 09:43:00 AM
http://www.patrickcomerford.com/2020/05/is-there-secret-Jєωιѕн-story-behind.html

“In 1886, 14 years after his death, Matas was buried below the entrance threshold of the Basilica of Santa Croce. The Italian Parliament decided on this honour for the architect who had shaped the façade of what is considered the pantheon of the Italian greats.”

“Although the Star of David that is such a prominent feature on the façade is said to be a tacit homage to his Jєωιѕн religion, this is not docuмented. On the othjer hand, it shuld be noticed that the use of the Chi-Rho sybol on his epitaph could not possibly have been his choice.”


(https://i.imgur.com/I5ZRk8g.jpeg)



http://www.patrickcomerford.com/2020/05/is-there-secret-Jєωιѕн-story-behind.html



Similar symbol in the Valencia Cathedral in Spain. You must ask yourself why didn’t Ferdinand and Isabella have is removed when they rid Spain of the Jews in 1492?

(https://i.imgur.com/kQwF5Ou.jpeg)
Title: Re: Some background on Santa Croce in Florence
Post by: 2Vermont on December 06, 2024, 10:03:23 AM
http://www.patrickcomerford.com/2020/05/is-there-secret-Jєωιѕн-story-behind.html
Link doesn't work, but I found it on that site.  I haven't read it yet, but here is the full text:


Is there a secret Jєωιѕн story
behind the Star of David in
Santa Croce in Florence?


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The Star of David at the top of the Basilica of Santa Croce in Florence … was this a symbol of the Jєωιѕн faith of the architect Niccolò Matas? (Photograph: Patrick Comerford)

Patrick Comerford

The Basilica of Santa Croce in Florence was one of a dozen or more churches in my ‘virtual tour’ of Florence (https://www.patrickcomerford.com/2020/05/a-lockdown-virtual-tour-of-dozen_12.html) last night.

The Basilica, just 800 metres from the Duomo, is the burial place of many Florentines, including Michelangelo, Galileo, Machiavelli, Foscolo and Rossini. Because of this, it is often known as the Tempio dell’Itale Glorie, the Temple of the Italian Glories. Dante was exiled from Florence and buried in Ravenna, but his statue stands in the wide, open square, in front of the basilica.

Although the basilica dates from 1294 and was consecrated in 1444, its façade remained unfinished for more than three centuries, and the polychrome, marble Gothic façade dates from 1857-1863.

It is said in Florence that the architect, Niccolò Matas (1798-1872) from Ancona, was Jєωιѕн and that this explains why he worked the prominent Star of David into his composition when he designed the facade.

The stories go on to say that Matas wanted to be buried with his peers but, because he was Jєωιѕн, he was buried outside the main door of the basilica, under the threshold.

I have already written earlier this year [30 January 2020 (http://www.patrickcomerford.com/2020/01/the-lost-sephardic-legacy-of-mediaeval.html)] about a similar story about the Star of David in in the north transept of Valencia Cathedral, and asked whether it was a symbol of Valencia’s lost Sephardic legacy.

Legends in Valencia say that Star of David was the work of anonymous Jєωιѕн craftsmen or that window was paid for partly by local Jєωιѕн merchants. However, the Menorahwas a more usual mediaeval symbol of Judaism and many mediaeval cathedrals and churches display the star, including the west wall of the Church of San Nicolas in Valencia, and churches or cathedrals in Burgos, Anagni Aquileia, Orvieto, Brandenburg, Stendal and Hanover.

When Santa Croce in Florence was recognised as the Pantheon of Great Italians in the 19th century, attention turned towards completing the building, and the first stone of the façade was laid in 1857 the presence of Pope Pius IX.

The façade was inaugurated on 3 May 1863, and its decoration was completed in 1865, in time for the commemorations marking the sixth centenary of Dante’s birth in Florence. That year, Dante’s statue was unveiled in the square facing the basilica.

The architect of the neo-Gothic façade of Santa Croce, Niccolò Matas, was inspired in his design by a long-lost work by the 15th century Florentine architect Simone del Pollaiolo, known as ‘il Cronaca.’

The very visible Star of David on the façade, the mosaic artwork, and the position of Matas’s tomb outside of the church at the threshold of the entrance has led to suggestions that this was due to the architect’s Jєωιѕн family background.

However, the star is also found in Catholic symbolism, and there is a Chi-Rho symbol or Christogram (☧) inside the star. There is another Ch-Rho symbol (☧) on his memorial monument, flanked by the Greek letters Α (Alpha) and Ω (Omega), a reference to Christ in the Book of Revelation (see Revelation 1: 8, 21: 6, and 22: 13).

In addition, the wording of the inscription indicates that Matas intended the façade to be his own, extraordinary funeral monument.

So, who was Niccolò Matas? And, did he have a Jєωιѕн background?

Niccolò Matas, also known as Nicolò or Nicola Matas, was born in Ancona on 6 December 1798 into the large Jєωιѕн community in Ancona and a family of Spanish descent.

The Jєωιѕн community of Ancona is one of the oldest and most significant Jєωιѕн communities in Italy. The presence of Jews is first recorded in Ancona in the 10th century, and in the centuries that followed the community grew because of the importance of the port and commercial links with the Levant. When Jєωιѕн refugees from the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal began to settle in Ancona, they changed the composition of the Jєωιѕн community in the town. Most of these fugitives came from Sicily and later from Naples and Portugal.

Niccolò Matas was born into this community and from an early age showed artistic talent. The Municipality of Ancona decided to finance his studies. He first studied at the Academy of Fine Arts in Rome and later at the academies of Venice and Vicenza. During those formative years he came into contact with Antonio Canova and Leopoldo Cicognara.

He moved to Florence in 1825, when he was appointed a teacher in the Florence Academy of Fine Arts. A year later, he oversaw the restoration of the Bartolini Baldelli Palace in Florence (1826).

Throughout 1835, Matas was back in Ancona, where he was in charge of designing the decorations of the Teatro delle Muse, the hotel in Piazza Roma and the Bagni Dorico, the first bathing facility in his home town. His design for the Bagni Dorico was a regular octagonal plan, supported on stilts in the sea and inspired by the nearby Lazzaretto, built by Luigi Vanvitelli on an artificial pentagonal island.

Matas supervised other restorations in Ancona, including the bell tower and the dome of the cathedral, for which he designed a new lantern.

But most of his work as an architect was in Florence, where his patron was the rich Russian-born industrialist, Prince Anatoly Demidoff (1813-1870).

Matas became one of the most important architects working in the neo-Gothic style in Tuscany, although he also worked in the classical style, influenced by Tuscan purism. His important commissions include the villa and the park of San Donato for Demidoff (1835), and the Napoleonic Museum (1851) built for Demidoff at the Villa of San Martino on the Island of Elba.

Matas also worked on several other buildings in Florence. He took part in the debate and competition in 1842 for designing the façade of the Duomo which, like Santa Croce, had not been completed. However, the competition was won by Emilio De Fabris. Matas also contributed to the design of the cemetery at San Miniato al Monte (1848-1859). However, the project that made Matas his name was his completion of the façade of Santa Croce.

Matas’s first two proposals for Santa Croce were neo-Gothic but, to harmonise the new facade with the nearby Pazzi Chapel, he developed a third proposal in 1854 that became the definitive design. Matas said that his design was inspired by ‘il Cronaca,’ who was commissioned to design the façade of the church in the 15th century.

The Florentine architect Simone del Pollaiolo (1457-1508), known as ‘il Cronaca’ or the ‘Chronicler,’ was the nephew of the architect brothers Antonio and Piero Benci. He earned his nickname because, at the age of 13, in order to learn more about architecture, he marched to Rome to see the ruins. On his return to Florence, he recorded meticulous, chronicle-like descriptions of his observations.

The façade of Santa Croce was designed by Matas and was built in 1854-1863 in the styles of 15th century Florentine Romanesque and Gothic architecture. Matas worked closely with the sculptor Giovanni Duprè.

His other works include the Dovizi Theatre in Bibbiena and an unrealised project for the restoration of the dome of the Basilica of Loreto (1863). He published many books and brochures, mainly on his own work, including the façade of Santa Croce in Florence and a survey of the cathedral on Ancona. Matas died in Florence on 11 March 1872.

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The inscription commemorating Niccolò Matas on the steps in front of the façade of Santa Croce in 1886 (Photograph: Sailko/Wikipedia)

In 1886, 14 years after his death, Matas was buried below the entrance threshold of the Basilica of Santa Croce. The Italian Parliament decided on this honour for the architect who had shaped the façade of what is considered the pantheon of the Italian greats.

The plaque reads:

Niccolò Matas di Ancona
giudicato degno dal Parlamento nαzιonale
di riposare tra gli Altri Grandi
in ossequio ai desideri
l’undici Marzo MDCCCLXXII
da lui manifestati morendo
qui nel MDCCCLXXXVI fu deposto
perché la facciata di questo tempio
fosse monumento dell’artefice


Niccolò Matas of Ancona
judged worthy by the National Parliament
to rest among the other Great Ones,
in respect of wishes expressed on
11 March 1872
as he lay dying.
He was buried here in 1886,
where the façade of this church
is the monument to the artist


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The façade of Santa Croce, completed by Niccolò Matas in 1854-1863 (Photograph: Patrick Comerford)

Although the Star of David that is such a prominent feature on the façade is said to be a tacit homage to his Jєωιѕн religion, this is not docuмented. On the othjer hand, it shuld be noticed that the use of the Chi-Rho sybol on his epitaph could not possibly have been his choice.

According to Yohanna-Miriam Pick Margioles – a local historian and a niece of Samuel Hirsch Margioles (1858-1922), Chief Rabbi of Florence (1890-1922), when Matas’s design was accepted – no-one questioned the design, the six-pointed star was seen as a symbol of Christ, and no-one noticed that in his contract Matas specified that he would not work on Saturdays.

It is said his Jєωιѕн background did not become known until after the contract was signed.

However, in their Guida all’Italia Ebraica (‘Guide to Jєωιѕн Italy’), Annie Sacerdoti and Luca Fiorentino repeat this story: ‘The work was entrusted to the architect Nicolò Matas, a Jew from Ancona who incorporated the large star as an element of the decoration. No one paid any attention to the architect’s Jєωιѕн origins, even after he specified in his contract that he would not work on Saturdays. When he died, he put the Jєωιѕн community and the Franciscans in a difficult position by stating in his will his wish to be buried in the basilica. A compromise was finally reached: he was interred in a marble sarcophagus just outside the church under the flight of stairs facing the main entrance.’

The former ghetto of Florence was located in the heart of the old centre of Florence, near the market in an area zone totally destroyed at the end of the 20th century. This area was bordered by today’s Via Brunelleschi, the Piazza della Repubblica, and Via Roma.

Bernardo Buontalento, the grand duke’s architect, was commissioned to design the walled ghetto, with two gates that were closed each evening. Inside, the Jews of Florence were confined to a labyrinth of alleys and courtyards, with two ѕуηαgσgυєs. Their numbers increased in the 16th and 17th centuries with the arrival of the families of Spanish and Portuguese Jews who had fled the Inquisition.

The ghetto in Florence survived for almost three centuries until it was opened in 1848. Soon after, two small prayer rooms opened in Florence: one followed the liturgy of the Italkim or Italian tradition, the other followed an αѕнкenαzιc liturgy.

Two years after Matas died, work began in 1874 on building an imposing modern ѕуηαgσgυє designed in the neo-Moorish style by Marco Treves, assisted by Mariano Falcini and Vincenzo Micheli, with a large green dome and matching minarets inspired by Aghia Sophia in Constantinople. The Tiempo Maggiore (Grand ѕуηαgσgυє) opened in 1882, four years before Matas was buried outside Santa Croce.

During World War II, the nαzιs used the ѕуηαgσgυє as a military garage and tried to dynamite it as they retreated. The ѕуηαgσgυє was carefully restored, but was damaged severely by the great flooding of the Arno River in 1966.

The Jєωιѕн Museum opened on the second floor in 1981. A large plaque at the museum door commemorates the 248 Jews from Florence who were deported and murdered during the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

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Michelangelo’s David originally stood outside the Palazzo Vecchio (Photograph: Patrick Comerford)

In the past, the best-known symbol or presence of the Jєωιѕн King David on the streets of Florence was Michelangelo’s marble statue of David, a masterpiece of Renaissance sculpture created in 1501-1504.

David is 5.17-metres high and was commissioned as one of a series of statues of prophets for the roofline of the east end of the Duomo in Florence. Instead, it was placed in a public square outside the Palazzo Vecchio, the seat of civic government in Florence, in the Piazza della Signoria, where it was unveiled in 1504.

David was moved to the Galleria dell'Accademia in 1873, where I have seen the original. It was replaced by a replica at its original location.

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The large prominent Star of David above the door in the north transept of Valencia Cathedral … were Jєωιѕн craftsmen at work here? (Photograph: Patrick Comerford,