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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: Roland Deschain on October 16, 2012, 04:17:33 PM
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So I've decided that I can't vote for Romney. I'm done pretending that there is any significant difference between the two parties. So my choices are stay home or vote for Gary Johnson.
Now I know the official Libertarian platform is pro-"choice" which is the one caveat here. I honestly don't think that abortion will ever be illegal in this country barring a chastisement; and I certainly don't think any Republican president is going to do anything about it. We had two terms of Reagan, Bush I, two terms of Bush II and abortion remained legal all the while.
The Libertarian Party calls for an end to all public funding for Planned Parenthood which would do more to limit abortion then anything a Republican president has done. Can one vote for such a candidate/platform?
Anybody else here thinking of voting for Gary Johnson?
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I think I'm just going to write in Ron Paul... or better Gabriel Garcia Moreno.
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Anybody else here thinking of voting for Gary Johnson?
I'm not voting at all for anyone.
Honestly think about this for a moment: Libertarianism denies Catholic social teaching in regards to economics, social conservatism, pacifism, etc.
Does that sound like a good political philosophy for you? They are no different than neoconservatives and liberals. All have false political philosophies.
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The NRA endorsed Romney.
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If you're going to make a protest vote for someone who will never be elected, it had better reflect your moral views, not some abstract political theory.
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If you're going to make a protest vote for someone who will never be elected, it had better reflect your moral views, not some abstract political theory.
Unfortunately there is no Catholic Monarchist Party :scratchchin:
I'll probably just stay home.
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Anybody else here thinking of voting for Gary Johnson?
I'm not voting at all for anyone.
Honestly think about this for a moment: Libertarianism denies Catholic social teaching in regards to economics, social conservatism, pacifism, etc.
Does that sound like a good political philosophy for you? They are no different than neoconservatives and liberals. All have false political philosophies.
Libertarians aren't pacifists. They are strongly against warmongering and empire building which the modern neocon Republican Party is all for.
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If you're going to make a protest vote for someone who will never be elected, it had better reflect your moral views, not some abstract political theory.
Unfortunately there is no Catholic Monarchist Party :scratchchin:
I'll probably just stay home.
It's better to vote Constitution if they are seriously pro-life in their rhetoric, because they recognize natural law and the actual law.
However it probably won't make any difference.
The last Constitution party candidate, Chuck Baldwin, had a great essay about "a wasted vote."
Voting for the loser is, in some sense, a wasted vote, especially if it was a "lesser of two evils" vote.
I think people who typically vote Republican in states like California and New York should start voting third party when the issue of the election is not in doubt.
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Libertarians aren't pacifists. They are strongly against warmongering and empire building which the modern neocon Republican Party is all for.
There is nothing wrong with militarism if it is for a true nationalist goal; the neoconservatives do wars for Israel. That is the difference.
No instead libertarians are for free trade, open borders, low taxes, anarcho-capitalism, social liberalism, etc. which is just as bad.
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Anybody else here thinking of voting for Gary Johnson?
I couldn't recommend that. I don't know much about the man, but a quick glace at his Wikipedia page states that he supports "same-sex marriage", abortion, and that he found the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" to be "long overdue".
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Unfortunately there is no Catholic Monarchist Party :scratchchin:
I think we should really make a Catholic Monarchist Party. The party may produce somebody worth giving our vote to, for once. The only question is: who gets to be king? I vote for myself. :dancing-banana:
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Mind you, this site has a predominant Libertarian flavor, still some excellent rhetoric.
This article in particular makes valuable points. As Catholics, our reasoning will differ, but the conclusion is the same: http://lewrockwell.com/barnett/barnett54.1.html
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Unfortunately there is no Catholic Monarchist Party :scratchchin:
I think we should really make a Catholic Monarchist Party. The party may produce somebody worth giving our vote to, for once. The only question is: who gets to be king? I vote for myself. :dancing-banana:
I shall rally my knights and usurp the throne, which is rightfully mine!
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I shall rally my knights and usurp the throne, which is rightfully mine!
Respect my authority, you peasant!
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You dare call the bearer of Excalibur a peasant!? God shall strike thee down! And my knights shall avenge my honour!
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Not only am I voting myself as king of this new American monarchy, but Pope as well! As my first act of office, I excommunicate you and your "knights" TO HELL!
Beat that, you God-hating, Church-loathing peasanty infidel!
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So I've decided that I can't vote for Romney. I'm done pretending that there is any significant difference between the two parties. So my choices are stay home or vote for Gary Johnson.
Now I know the official Libertarian platform is pro-"choice" which is the one caveat here. I honestly don't think that abortion will ever be illegal in this country barring a chastisement; and I certainly don't think any Republican president is going to do anything about it. We had two terms of Reagan, Bush I, two terms of Bush II and abortion remained legal all the while.
The Libertarian Party calls for an end to all public funding for Planned Parenthood which would do more to limit abortion then anything a Republican president has done. Can one vote for such a candidate/platform?
Anybody else here thinking of voting for Gary Johnson?
Also, Romney made it pretty clear in the last debate that he has no real intention of doing anything about abortion other than uttering pro-life sound bites.
Write in Ron Paul.
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If you're going to make a protest vote for someone who will never be elected, it had better reflect your moral views, not some abstract political theory.
Exactly. If someone can suggest a candidate more amenable to Catholicism than Dr. pail, I will consider it.
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If you're going to make a protest vote for someone who will never be elected, it had better reflect your moral views, not some abstract political theory.
Unfortunately there is no Catholic Monarchist Party :scratchchin:
I'll probably just stay home.
It's better to vote Constitution if they are seriously pro-life in their rhetoric, because they recognize natural law and the actual law.
However it probably won't make any difference.
The last Constitution party candidate, Chuck Baldwin, had a great essay about "a wasted vote."
Voting for the loser is, in some sense, a wasted vote, especially if it was a "lesser of two evils" vote.
I think people who typically vote Republican in states like California and New York should start voting third party when the issue of the election is not in doubt.
Telesphorus,
I am not familiar with the Constitution party. I will google them, but can you suggest anything specific that I should read?
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Anybody else here thinking of voting for Gary Johnson?
I couldn't recommend that. I don't know much about the man, but a quick glace at his Wikipedia page states that he supports "same-sex marriage", abortion, and that he found the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" to be "long overdue".
I heard an interview with him on NPR the other day. That pretty much sums him up.
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Wouldn't it be just a little odd to form a party to advocate VOTING for a Catholic monarchy?
Although, I may have a bumper sticker made that says "Vote Monarchist" just to mess with people.
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That gun thing is kind of a stickler for me.
(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/10/3/33898d08-fa18-49a5-b242-1afdb2572b33.jpg)
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If you're going to make a protest vote for someone who will never be elected, it had better reflect your moral views, not some abstract political theory.
Unfortunately there is no Catholic Monarchist Party :scratchchin:
I'll probably just stay home.
It's better to vote Constitution if they are seriously pro-life in their rhetoric, because they recognize natural law and the actual law.
However it probably won't make any difference.
The last Constitution party candidate, Chuck Baldwin, had a great essay about "a wasted vote."
Voting for the loser is, in some sense, a wasted vote, especially if it was a "lesser of two evils" vote.
I think people who typically vote Republican in states like California and New York should start voting third party when the issue of the election is not in doubt.
Telesphorus,
I am not familiar with the Constitution party. I will google them, but can you suggest anything specific that I should read?
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Sancity of Life
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Wouldn't it be just a little odd to form a party to advocate VOTING for a Catholic monarchy?
In a way, but I prefer a non-violent approach to obtaining power. The monarchy probably wouldn't last very long anyway if the majority of Americans didn't support it.
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Gary Johnson was a former Republican. He beat William Still in the Libertarian nominations because he had more money and the LP endorsed him rather than Bill Still. Some of you may know Mr. Still from the video Money Masters and recently The Wizard of Oz. Bill Still is a lot better than Gary Johnson.