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Anti-Christ revealed ?????
« on: April 02, 2011, 11:33:13 AM »
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  • I hope this thread does not turn into a debate about whether you like Glenn Beck or not.  I would like to see an honest opinion about the topic he addressed on his show.  Some of which you can see at this link.
      http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/glenn-beck/transcript/beck-iranian-regime-preparing-12th-imam

    The 12th Iman and is it possible that he is the Anti-Christ?
    His description (12th Iman) fits the Christian Anti-Christ according to this program.
     
    We are all waiting for a Jewish Anti-Christ from the tribe of Dan, but where is the tribe of Dan?  Is it possible that a Muslim can be an ascendant from the tribe of Dan.  Just as we can all trace our roots back to Adam and Eve, so maybe this Anti-Christ person will be an ascendant from this lost tribe and the world will see him as  Muslim  or anyone;  therefore he goes unfamiliar within the world.
     
    I watched the show and would appreciate an opinion of this subject.   Not even sure what I think myself, which is why I welcome your insight on this interesting subject.  



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    « Reply #1 on: April 02, 2011, 12:03:51 PM »
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    « Reply #2 on: April 02, 2011, 12:06:29 PM »
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  • I think he is likely propazandizing for his bosses and drumming up support for war.

    Only Shiites believe the 12th imam. The shiites and sunnis are not working together. Sunnis are 80% of Muslims.
    One sect would not accept the other's "caliphate". At the very least it is disinformation.

    I had to stop watching him because he is spreading the Jewish faith and it seems to me that he may be undergoing a process of conversion to that faith. Which is not unusual for celebrities.

    He is very melodramatic and puts on a good show.

    "George Soros is an atheist"  :laugh2:

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    « Reply #3 on: April 02, 2011, 12:16:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jitpring
    Go here:

    http://www.audiosancto.org/categories/end-times.php


    Excellent source for St. Robert Bellarmine's thoughts.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2011, 12:44:14 PM »
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  • audiosanct has an excellent sermon.
    Thanks for the resource! It is much needed reinforcement of something that I learned long ago.

    I wanted to add that it is not impossible that the Iranians would want to help usher in their version of endtimes by acting on their beliefs but I don't believe the sources of GB on these issues.



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    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2011, 01:48:39 PM »
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  • The Muslims also believe in the Anti-Christ, that they call the Dajjal.

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    According to Islamic tradition which describes this graphically, Jesus' descent will be in the midst of wars fought by the Mahdi (lit. "the rightly guided one"), known in Islamic eschatology as the redeemer of Islam, against the Antichrist (al-Masīkh ad-Dajjāl, "false messiah") and his followers.[17] Jesus will descend at the point of a white arcade, east of Damascus, dressed in yellow robes – his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Antichrist. Jesus, considered in Islam as a Muslim, will abide by the Islamic teachings. Eventually, Jesus will slay the Antichrist, and then everyone from the people of the book (ahl al-kitāb, referring to Jews and Christians) will believe in him. Thus, there will be one community, that of Islam.[18]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

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    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2011, 01:54:04 PM »
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  • Yes, thanks so much jitspring for that link, I gave you a thumbs up!

    The president of Iran, Ahmadinejad  not only believes in the 12th Iman but he wants to usher him in.  

    I heard him say so on a YouTube once.

    I found a link a little about Ahmadinejad, this is an excerpt.

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    Remarkably, the 12th Imam theory plays heavily into the world’s current concerns with Iran. The Shiite Muslim President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, is deeply committed to the Islamic Messiah, al Mahdi. There have been many through the years claiming to be the Hidden Imam but Ahmadinejad believes he is yet to come. He claims that he is to personally prepare the world for the coming Mahdi. In order to save the world, it must be in a state of chaos and subjugation. Ahmadinejad claims he was “directed by Allah to pave the way for the glorious appearance of the Mahdi”. This apocalyptic directive includes some very scary proclamations.

    The 12th Imam: Why Is This Especially Important Now?
    While Christians look for Jesus’ 2nd coming, the Jews await the Messiah and Muslims await the 12th Imam. However, of the three, Allah’s designated Mahdi is the only one who demands a violent path to conquer the world. Mr. Ahmadinejad, and his cabinet, say they have a ‘signed contract’ with al Mahdi in which they pledge themselves to his work. What does this work involve? In light of concerns over Iran’s nuclear capabilities, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has reportedly stated Israel should be wiped off the map. He spoke to the United Nations in September ’05. During that speech he claims to have been in an aura of light and felt a change in the atmosphere during which time no one present could blink their eyes. Iran’s PM is also said to have spoken in apocalyptic terms and seems to relish conflict with the West whom he calls the Great Satan. This is while he proclaims he must prepare the world for the coming Mahdi by way of a world totally under Muslim control. He is working hard to bring about the world-wide horrors that must be in place for their al Mahdi to bring peace.

    This notion and goal, along with a violent hatred of infidels, America and Israel reminds us of Biblical prophecies of the coming anti-Christ and the pledges of millions to a deceiving False Messiah who will claim to bring peace. Could this 12th Imam Mahdi and his servant Ahmadinejad spark the last days of the coming true Savior?


    http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/12th-imam.htm

    I only posted this now so you can see it is not only GB.  I realize there are many that are turned off by the messenger and are blind to the message.    Not anyone here, I'm sure!  :wink:






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    « Reply #7 on: April 02, 2011, 01:55:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    I hope this thread does not turn into a debate about whether you like Glenn Beck or not.  I would like to see an honest opinion about the topic he addressed on his show.  Some of which you can see at this link.
      http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/glenn-beck/transcript/beck-iranian-regime-preparing-12th-imam

    The 12th Iman and is it possible that he is the Anti-Christ?
    His description (12th Iman) fits the Christian Anti-Christ according to this program.
     
    We are all waiting for a Jewish Anti-Christ from the tribe of Dan, but where is the tribe of Dan?  Is it possible that a Muslim can be an ascendant from the tribe of Dan.  Just as we can all trace our roots back to Adam and Eve, so maybe this Anti-Christ person will be an ascendant from this lost tribe and the world will see him as  Muslim  or anyone;  therefore he goes unfamiliar within the world.
     
    I watched the show and would appreciate an opinion of this subject.   Not even sure what I think myself, which is why I welcome your insight on this interesting subject.  


    Myrna, you really shouldn't put any stock in Glenn Beck.  And you can be sure the Muslims are not the dominant power in the world today, nor are their beliefs tending towards the Antichrist system.

    If anything, the fact that Islam is supplanting Catholicism as the world's most important religion is a result of the Antichrist system - Islam, because it maintains some degree of natural morality, is filling the void left by the great apostasy.

    The Antichrist system is something that would resemble a judeo-masonic society.  That society even consciously adopts the symbols of revolt against God.  For example, the Tower of Babel:



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    « Reply #8 on: April 02, 2011, 02:01:40 PM »
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  • http://cch.mntzion.com/babelwhore666.html

    eh, that seems to be a Protestant anti-Catholic link - but

    most of the images have to do with the EU and the symbolism it adopts.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 02, 2011, 02:02:35 PM »
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  • This is why I opened this topic, to learn and discern Telesphorus, thanks for your insight, I appreciate it.  

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    « Reply #10 on: April 02, 2011, 02:06:07 PM »
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  • JFC Fuller was a military theorist and a student of the Qabalah:

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    Why has science thus failed us? Because the wisdom of the few has been cast like pearls before the
    swinish ignorance of the many. The intellectual evolution of the masses has not kept pace with the
    physical evolution of the scientists. A new body has been built, a body of titanic power, yet it is still
    inhabited by a mind which belongs to a far less powerful instrument. The result is a moral
    disintegration - a throwing out of balance, out of focus, out of equilibrium. Chaos surrounds us,
    because the mysteries have been communicated to those unworthy to receive them, and not until the
    new body is endowed with a new mind will a new soul be born within it. Such an equilibrium can
    alone be established through wonder - a stepping out from the finite towards the infinite, a
    transmutation of Satan into God.


    http://www.omsh.net/Qabalah_Wisdom_2.html


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    « Reply #11 on: April 02, 2011, 04:21:06 PM »
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  • The Anti-Christ will be a Jew who is possessed by the devil. He will claim to be either a Prophet of Christ or Christ Himself. These other theories are not correct.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 02, 2011, 04:48:36 PM »
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  • The sermon at audiosanctus is in two parts. It is powerful.
    http://www.audiosancto.org/categories/end-times.php

    I am wondering if the region of magog encompasses the old Khazarian Empire. (see 'Khazaria' at wiki)
    They had ancient bones to pick with the Persians.

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    Khazaria had an ongoing entente with Byzantium. Serving their partner in wars against the Arabian Caliphate, Khazaria aided the Byzantine emperor Heraclius (reigned 610–641) in his campaign against the Persians....wiki


    Look who's going at it today...the Khazars and the Persians.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 02, 2011, 04:55:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    The Anti-Christ will be a Jew who is possessed by the devil. He will claim to be either a Prophet of Christ or Christ Himself. These other theories are not correct.


    Hmm, I always imagine that the Anti-Christ would be the opposite of Christ in every way.

    For instance, take His Virgin Mother. I think the anti-christ will have a mother who is extraoridinarily arrogant and self-centered. She will be the opposite of a virgin (you can probably guess what that would mean), and she would be haughty and quite rich and wordly. She will also probably hate her son (the anti-christ) and be disobedient to any kind of authority outside herself.
    Maybe, the anti-christ might be a woman (if we consider female the opposite of male). That would make sense too; the modern era is pretty dominated by women (or it's heading that direction) these days, so I suppose it's possible.  But whoever it is, he/she will probably be born into a very rich family (in opposition to the nativity) with much luxury about him.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accumulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #14 on: April 02, 2011, 05:07:07 PM »
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  • You're most welcome.

    The priest you hear in most (all?) of those sermons on that page is of my parish. He's all over audiosantco.org, probably more than any other priest. In person he definitely radiates holiness.
    Age, thou art shamed.*
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