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American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
« on: December 03, 2019, 08:44:10 PM »
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  • Everyone here knows about Pope Leo XIII's great encyclical about the nature of liberty, Libertas praestantissimum, where that pope insists that Catholicism needs to be each society's State religion. In part 21 of that encyclical, he writes:
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    Wherefore, civil society must acknowledge God as its Founder and Parent, and must obey and reverence His power and authority. justice therefore forbids, and reason itself forbids, the State to be godless; or to adopt a line of action which would end in godlessness — namely, to treat the various religions (as they call them) alike, and to bestow upon them promiscuously equal rights and privileges. Since, then, the profession of one religion is necessary in the State, that religion must be professed which alone is true, and which can be recognized without difficulty, especially in Catholic States, because the marks of truth are, as it were, engraven upon it. This religion, therefore, the rulers of the State must preserve and protect, if they would provide — as they should do — with prudence and usefulness for the good of the community. For public authority exists for the welfare of those whom it governs; and, although its proximate end is to lead men to the prosperity found in this life, yet, in so doing, it ought not to diminish, but rather to increase, man’s capability of attaining to the supreme good in which his everlasting happiness consists: which never can be attained if religion be disregarded.

    So here's my question.  To comply with what Pope Leo teaches, should Congress amend the Constitution to remove its religiously indifferentirst First Amendment and adopt Catholicism as the State religion?  During a lecture I heard on YouTube, a hero of mine, Fr. Gregory Hesse says that America needs that amendment because in our religiously diverse country, everyone needs to get along.  But I disagree because in a Catholic confessional state, non-Catholics may practice their religions because it's immoral to force those people to become Catholic.  Your thoughts?

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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #1 on: December 03, 2019, 10:45:30 PM »
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  • Everyone here knows about Pope Leo XIII's great encyclical about the nature of liberty, Libertas praestantissimum, where that pope insists that Catholicism needs to be each society's State religion. In part 21 of that encyclical, he writes:
    So here's my question.  To comply with what Pope Leo teaches, should Congress amend the Constitution to remove its religiously indifferentirst First Amendment and adopt Catholicism as the State religion?  During a lecture I heard on YouTube, a hero of mine, Fr. Gregory Hesse says that America needs that amendment because in our religiously diverse country, everyone needs to get along.  But I disagree because in a Catholic confessional state, non-Catholics may practice their religions because it's immoral to force those people to become Catholic.  Your thoughts?

    You wrote yourself the Question and Answer to  #1:
    Question : To comply with what Pope Leo teaches, should Congress amend the Constitution to remove its religiously indifferentirst First Amendment and adopt Catholicism as the State religion?  Answer - Everyone here knows about Pope Leo XIII's great encyclical about the nature of liberty, Libertas praestantissimum, where that pope insists that Catholicism needs to be each society's State religion.

    So I assume this is another question:

    2) During a lecture I heard on YouTube, a hero of mine, Fr. Gregory Hesse says that America needs that amendment because in our religiously diverse country, everyone needs to get along.  But I disagree because in a Catholic confessional state, non-Catholics may practice their religions because it's immoral to force those people to become Catholic.  Your thoughts?

    As I understand you, your disagreement is with what Fr. Hesse said, you say they would not get along because the non-Catholics would still be allowed to practice their religions? You'll have to clear up what you are for and against. It appears that you are against Pope Leo XIII.


    Just so you know how a Catholic confessional state worked in practice with the non-Catholic false religions, where the rubber meets the road, the Jews and Protestants for instance, were not permitted to evangelize in public, but they were allowed to meet in their meeting halls and synagogues, they just could not have public signs outside of the building to advertise the location.

    The popes of Vatican II ordered all Catholic confessional states to remove Catholicism as the state religion from their constitution, a big indicator that the Vatican II church is a false religion.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #2 on: December 03, 2019, 11:56:05 PM »
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  • Everyone here knows about Pope Leo XIII's great encyclical about the nature of liberty, Libertas praestantissimum, where that pope insists that Catholicism needs to be each society's State religion. In part 21 of that encyclical, he writes:
    So here's my question.  To comply with what Pope Leo teaches, should Congress amend the Constitution to remove its religiously indifferentirst First Amendment and adopt Catholicism as the State religion?  During a lecture I heard on YouTube, a hero of mine, Fr. Gregory Hesse says that America needs that amendment because in our religiously diverse country, everyone needs to get along.  But I disagree because in a Catholic confessional state, non-Catholics may practice their religions because it's immoral to force those people to become Catholic.  Your thoughts?
    Do you think that is likely to happen?
    I am concerned about the anti Catholic laws and regulations being promulgated by politicians and bureaucrats. That in California Catholic hospitals may be forced to perform abortions and sterilizations and participate in sex change operations. That pro-life organizations who dedicate themselves to helping pregnant women in distress may be required by the state to make abortion referrals.
    Another anti Catholic attack is against the Hispanic people who wish to profess their faith by publicly wearing a Catholic rosary.
    More anti Catholicism may be found in the public schools where the Faith is calumniated and ridiculed.

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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #3 on: December 03, 2019, 11:59:34 PM »
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  • Poche, you cannot run away from the evidence that YOU ridicule the faith with your heresies and YOU are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture.


    You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge.

    Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
    "And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301


    Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jews. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:

    "We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

    You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the Talmud" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

    Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.

    You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jews as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367  Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jews of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms Talmudic Jews in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#talmudicantipope

    You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

    Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/

    First, there is not one word about the Talmud, not one stinking word.

    Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jewish religion," https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality,"  Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses."  The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

    Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers Talmudic Noahidism: "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the Talmud" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached talmudic Noahidism.

    "Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

    Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!


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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #4 on: December 04, 2019, 04:45:01 AM »
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  • Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jews. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:

    "We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

    I don't believe that I partially quoted Pope St Pius X. Those are two separate issues. Pope St Pius X, along with a lot of other people, including many Jews of that day, chose to not support the Zionist movement.
    Not supporting the Zionist movement does not equal hatred of or hostility to the Jews. Pope St Pius X said so himself when he said, that from his days at Mantua he always got along well with the Jews.


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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #5 on: December 04, 2019, 04:50:59 AM »
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  • You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the Talmud" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

    Just as we do not find the words, 'real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist,' or 'Transubstantiation' in the Sacred Scripture, so also it is not necessary to find the word 'Talmud' when we hear Pope Francis preach against useless traditions or when he preaches on the theme of the Council of Jerusalem.

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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #6 on: December 04, 2019, 05:02:40 AM »
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  • You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the Talmud" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

    Just as we do not find the words, 'real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist,' or 'Transubstantiation' in the Sacred Scripture, so also it is not necessary to find the word 'Talmud' when we hear Pope Francis preach against useless traditions or when he preaches on the theme of the Council of Jerusalem.

    Pope Francis is a Modernist. Are you aware of that?
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    - From the French Resistance forum (Francophone forum, in France)

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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #7 on: December 04, 2019, 05:08:02 AM »
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  • Poche, you cannot run away from the evidence that YOU ridicule the faith with your heresies and YOU are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture.


    You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge.

    Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
    "And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301


    Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jews. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:

    "We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

    You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the Talmud" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

    Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.

    You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jews as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367  Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jews of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms Talmudic Jews in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#talmudicantipope

    You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

    Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/

    First, there is not one word about the Talmud, not one stinking word.

    Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jewish religion," https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality,"  Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses."  The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

    Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers Talmudic Noahidism: "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the Talmud" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached talmudic Noahidism.

    "Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

    Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!
    In speaking of the Jews, Pope St Pius X did say, "After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy." This sounds like a precursor to Pope Francis'  "Open Door," and "the common way,"


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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #8 on: December 04, 2019, 05:32:23 AM »
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  • In speaking of the Jews, Pope St Pius X did say, "After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy." This sounds like a precursor to Pope Francis'  "Open Door," and "the common way,"
    No, it does not.  Pius X had a very different theological understanding of Jews and Judaism than that of Francis.  There may be a superficial resemblance because Francis, as he typically does, uses ambiguous language that fosters error.

    A person might genuinely be confused by this into thinking the positions are similar.  You however have had this explained to you many times.  You do not have the excuse of honest misunderstanding. It is willful blindness, a basic intellectual dishonesty.

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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #9 on: December 04, 2019, 05:58:31 AM »
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  • You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the Talmud" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

    Just as we do not find the words, 'real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist,' or 'Transubstantiation' in the Sacred Scripture, so also it is not necessary to find the word 'Talmud' when we hear Pope Francis preach against useless traditions or when he preaches on the theme of the Council of Jerusalem.
    This is not true at all.  Francis simply refers to passages of Scripture that, when correctly understood, show what is wrong with the Talmud. That is not preaching against it.

    Those who are aware of the historic link between the sect of the Pharisees and modern Talmudic Judaism can understand how Our Lord's condemnation of following the traditions of men rather than the law of God applies to the Talmud.  This, however, is not common knowledge like the dogma of the Real Presence.

    Without any explanation of Our Lord's words, few are likely to understand them as a condemnation of the Talmud.  Protestants have historically used such passages erroneously to attack the Catholic Church.  Or a person might very well have understood Francis as attacking traditional Catholics, given his known animosity toward us.  Francis did not give the explanation required for his listeners to correctly understood the words of Our Lord. On the contrary, it was yet another example of Francis being unclear in a way that fosters error.

    It is dishonest to call what Francis said "preaching against the Talmud".  

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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #10 on: December 04, 2019, 06:19:15 AM »
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  • Not supporting the Zionist movement does not equal hatred of or hostility to the Jews. Pope St Pius X said so himself when he said, that from his days at Mantua he always got along well with the Jews.

    You continually refer to St. Pius X getting along with Jews as a response to any criticisms or legitimate resentment of Jews expressed on this forum.  Just as he was firmly against Zionism, we have issues on which we ought to take a stand.  You have never, to my recollection, acknowledged the validity of any of our concerns about Jews, Judaism, and recent "Catholic" teaching on them.  All you say is "get along" like Pius X.

    There may be some here who go too far in expressing resentment.  If there were, the first step would be to admit that it has a genuine basis.  If you will not do that, then your refrain about "getting along" is simply another way of shutting down just criticisms (much like people use accusations of "anti-semitism).


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    Re: American religious liberty and Libertas praestantissimum
    « Reply #11 on: December 04, 2019, 06:54:55 AM »
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  • So here's my question.  To comply with what Pope Leo teaches, should Congress amend the Constitution to remove its religiously indifferentirst First Amendment and adopt Catholicism as the State religion?  During a lecture I heard on YouTube, a hero of mine, Fr. Gregory Hesse says that America needs that amendment because in our religiously diverse country, everyone needs to get along.  But I disagree because in a Catholic confessional state, non-Catholics may practice their religions because it's immoral to force those people to become Catholic.  Your thoughts?
    In theory, America, like all countries, should have Catholicism as the state religion.  The principle of separation of church and state is an error.  Ideally the state should be run according to the true religion, i.e. Catholicism.

    In practice, many, probably most, countries would not accept Catholicism as the state religion.  This means tolerating a less than ideal situation.
    Many Catholics (this seems to be Poche's view and perhaps Fr. Hesse's) think that we should encourage the separation of church and state because this works to the advantage of Catholics in non-Catholic countries.  This is arguably the teaching of Vatican II.  In effect, this view encourages people to believe an error in the hopes that Catholics will benefit.

    This seems to me to be a case of doing evil that good may come of it.  How could it be right to encourage people to believe a false principle?  On the other hand, I can see making a case for the position that, if the state religion is not Catholicism, it is better to separate church and state.  

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    « Reply #12 on: December 04, 2019, 08:09:39 AM »
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  • Many Catholics (this seems to be Poche's view and perhaps Fr. Hesse's) think that we should encourage the separation of church and state because this works to the advantage of Catholics in non-Catholic countries.  This is arguably the teaching of Vatican II.  In effect, this view encourages people to believe an error in the hopes that Catholics will benefit.

    This seems to me to be a case of doing evil that good may come of it.  How could it be right to encourage people to believe a false principle?  On the other hand, I can see making a case for the position that, if the state religion is not Catholicism, it is better to separate church and state.  
    The popes of Vatican II ordered all Catholic confessional states to remove Catholicism as the state religion from their constitution, a big indicator that the Vatican II church is a false religion.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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  • The popes of Vatican II ordered all Catholic confessional states to remove Catholicism as the state religion from their constitution, a big indicator that the Vatican II church is a false religion.
    It certainly is troubling. The defense I have heard for this was that it was a strategic move. By giving up Catholicism as a state religion in places where it was feasible, they intended to protect Catholics in Communist countries (who were subject to great persecution at the time.)  But even if this were true, we can see in hindsight that its effect was to obscure the truth that error has no rights.  Even among traditional Catholics we can find people who do not understand the traditional Catholic position.

    What I suspect is that the modernists at the Council intended this result from Dignitatis Humanae but they were able to obtain support from non-modernists by presenting it as a beneficial strategy.  

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    « Reply #14 on: December 04, 2019, 10:30:19 AM »
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  • Poche, you cannot run away from the evidence that YOU ridicule the faith with your heresies and YOU are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture.


    You willfully falsified the Matthew 16:18. You substituted "you" for "it" to bolster your equally phony contention about Jorge.

    Quote from: poche on November 07, 2019, 04:55:39 AM
    "And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against you" -Jesus to Peter
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-francis-the-pope/msg674301/#msg674301


    Repeatedly you have partially quoted Pope St. Pius X to falsify his attitude toward the Jews. Representative examples: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367 https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/pius-xii-and-ww2-pius-the-liberal-and-roncalli-the-conservative/msg674407/#msg674407 You willfully omitted:

    "We are unable to favor this [Zionist] movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.... If you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we will be ready with priests and churches to baptize all of you". (Pope St. Pius X)

    You also lied when you claimed that Jorge "preached against the Talmud" https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 and that Jorge was "paraphrasing St. Paul" when Jorge said Jesus “made himself the devil.” https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg671082/#msg671082

    Your father is the father of lies and murder and you do his work.

    You have claimed that Jorge has “the same view” on the Jews as Pope St. Pius X. https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/another-gift-for-the-rabbi/msg675367/#msg675367  Directly to their faces Pope St. Pius X told the Jews of Jesus Christ and their need to convert. Jorge is the diametric opposite, not “the same.” Jorge confirms Talmudic Jews in their Faith and teaches their heretical dogmas to Catholics. Several examples here: http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#talmudicantipope

    You are Satan's lying sack of dirt… again and again.

    Here is Jorge's full allocution: https://zenit.org/articles/holy-father-continues-catecheses-on-acts-of-the-apostles/

    First, there is not one word about the Talmud, not one stinking word.

    Second, contrary to your assertion that Jorge preached "how Christianity is distinct from the Jewish religion," https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/pope-francis-said-51197/msg672784/#msg672784 Jorge uses the metaphors of "the Open Door," "the common way," "synodality,"  Instead of making a distinction, Jorge proposes an indifferentist blend of Christ and Belial: "relation between faith in Christ and the observance of the Law of Moses."  The only "relation" recognized by the perennial and infallible Magisterium is that the Law of Moses died with Christ on the Cross—and, as expected, that dogma is entirely missing in Jorge's subversion.

    Third, Jorge cannot bring himself to teach de fide supersessionism, that the Law of Moses is dead, so instead he infers Talmudic Noahidism: "ask them only to reject idolatry and all its expressions." So Jorge did not "preach against the Talmud" as you claimed. Jorge did the exact opposite; he preached talmudic Noahidism.

    "Funny how you" constructed three lies in your one run-on sentence!

    Poche, you are a serial habitual liar, even a Falsifier of Scripture. Get thee behind me, Satan!
    There is a separate thread about poche, so why comment this on every place poche is present? It detracts from the topic the OP posts about. 
    Pope St. Pius X pray for us 

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