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Title: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: josefamenendez on October 22, 2021, 12:48:15 PM
Alec Baldwin shoots prop gun, killing 1, injuring another on set of 'Rust,' officials say

The film's director of photography, Halyna Hutchins, was killed and director Joel Souza was injured on the set in New Mexico.





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Because all mass shooters have three names......
prop guns pretty dangerous these days


Alec Baldwin kills one, injures another with 'prop" gun

Oct. 21, 2021, 10:47 PM EDT / Updated Oct. 22, 2021, 1:19 PM EDT
By Phil Helsel (https://www.nbcnews.com/author/phil-helsel-ncpn115631), Samantha Kubota, Diana Dasrath, Saphora Smith (https://www.nbcnews.com/author/saphora-smith-ncpn737061) and David K. Li (https://www.nbcnews.com/author/david-k-li-ncpn915856)
Producer and actor Alec Baldwin  (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alec-baldwin-agrees-anger-management-after-pleading-guilty-harassment-n961696)fired a prop gun Thursday that killed one crew member and injured another on the set of the movie “Rust” in New Mexico, the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office said.
The film's director of photography, Halyna Hutchins, 42, was killed, and director Joel Souza, 48, was injured when Baldwin, 63, discharged the stage firearm, the agency said in a statement Thursday evening.
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"Rust" director of photography Halyna Hutchins.Fred Hayes / Getty Images for SAGindie file
Hutchins' was flown by helicopter to the University of New Mexico Hospital, where she was pronounced dead, according to the sheriff's office.

Agents for Hutchins said in a statement on Friday that the cinematographer was a rising star of the craft who was relentlessly cheerful and optimistic.
“Halyna Hutchins was a ray of light. Always smiling, always hopeful," according to the statement. "She decided early on she would take the craft of cinematography by storm and the last couple of years proved she was well on her way. Her talent was immense, only surpassed by the love she had for her family. All those in her orbit knew what was coming; a star director of photography, who would be a force to be reckoned with."
Souza was taken to the hospital by ambulance, officials said.
Frances Fisher, who stars in the movie, tweeted (https://twitter.com/Frances_Fisher/status/1451447285443932176) overnight that Souza was out of the hospital. His spokesperson confirmed the news Friday in an email to NBC News.
The Santa Fe New Mexican reported  (https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/sheriffs-office-alec-baldwin-discharged-prop-gun-that-killed-crew-member-wounded-director/article_9612afc6-32c5-11ec-9e2e-e3cc47b69ce5.html)that Baldwin was seen Thursday outside the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office in tears. Images obtained by NBC News showed Baldwin in a parking lot outside the sheriff's office. In one photo, the actor is seen bending over by the curbside, and in another speaking on the phone.
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Alec Baldwin takes a call in the parking lot outside the sheriff's offices.Jim Weber / The New Mexican
In his first comments about the prop gun shooting, Baldwin on Friday said he was in contact with Hutchins' family.
"There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours," Baldwin tweeted (https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451572461787439106).
He added: "I'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred and I am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family. My heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved Halyna."
No charges have been filed, the sheriff's office said, adding that the investigation is ongoing. Sheriff's deputies were dispatched around 1:50 p.m. local time (3:50 p.m. ET) after a 911 call about a shooting on the set, the office said.
Bonanza Creek Ranch is often used for Western productions, including the recent Tom Hanks Western "News of the World." Aerial video from NBC affiliate KOB (https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/santa-fe-county-sheriffs-office-responds-to-incident-at-bonanza-creek-ranch/6276746/?cat=500) of Albuquerque showed an old church that appeared to be blocked off.
On Oct. 6, the New Mexico Film Office announced  (https://edd.newmexico.gov/)that "Rust" was filming and would be in production until early November in Santa Fe. The production would employ approximately 75 New Mexico crew members, 22 principal actors and 230 "background talent."
The film centers on a 13-year-old boy who goes on the run with his estranged grandfather after he is sentenced to hang for the accidental killing of a rancher in the 1880s, according to the movie's logline.
Hutchins was originally from Ukraine, and grew up on a Soviet military base in the Arctic Circle surrounded by reindeer and nuclear submarines, according to her website (http://www.halynahutchinsdp.com/bio). Before graduating from the American Film Institute in Los Angeles, she studied journalism in Ukraine and worked as an investigative journalist with British docuмentary productions in Europe.
On her Instagram  (https://www.instagram.com/p/CVOR_F9jZ0c/)account  (https://www.instagram.com/p/CVOR_F9jZ0c/)she describes herself as a "restless dreamer" and an "adrenaline junkie." Recent posts included a group shot of the cast and crew on set of "Rust" in New Mexico. Another post showed a video of Hutchins riding a horse, along with the caption: "One of the perks of shooting a western is you get to ride horses on your day off."
Hutchins worked as director of photography on the 2020 action film “Archenemy,” starring Joe Manganiello (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hollywood-stunned-saddened-alec-baldwin-prop-gun-movie-shooting-n1282153).
“I’m so sad about losing Halyna. And so infuriated that this could happen on a set,” said “Archenemy” director Adam Egypt Mortimer on Twitter (https://twitter.com/adamegypt). “She was a brilliant talent who was absolutely committed to art and to film.”
"I was lucky to have known her and to have worked with her," he said.
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Alec Baldwin leans over in the parking lot outside the Santa Fe County Sheriff's offices after being questioned on the shooting.Jim Weber / The New Mexican
Manganiello also took to social media to post his condolences to Hutchins' family, "and especially to her son."
"She was a great collaborator and an ally to anyone in front of her camera. Everyone who knew her was rooting for her," Manganiello posted  (https://www.instagram.com/p/CVURvOnMWXv/)on Instagram. "I can’t believe that this could happen in this day and age… gunfire from a prop gun could kill a crew member? This is a horrible tragedy."
Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson, Oleh Nikolenko, said the ministry had received confirmation of Hutchins' Ukrainian citizenship. The Consulate General of Ukraine in San Francisco is cooperating with U.S. law enforcement, and consuls also liaise with relatives to provide the necessary consular and legal assistance, Nikolenko added.
An Emmy-award  (https://www.emmys.com/bios/alec-baldwin)winning actor, Baldwin is well-known for his role as Jack Donaghy in NBC’s "30 Rock" and for his impersonations of former President Donald Trump on “Saturday Night Live.” (https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/feud-continues-alec-baldwin-returns-snl-trump-after-twitter-spat-n852981) A Democratic activist, he is also known for having a Twitter feud  (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-alec-baldwin-renew-twitter-feud-n852836)with the former president.
On Thursday, Baldwin posted a picture of himself on Instagram in costume, along with what appeared to be a fake wound on his stomach. The post, which has since been deleted, was captioned: "Back to in person at the office. Blimey ... it's exhausting."
Baldwin has teamed up as a producer previously with Souza on the 2019 film, “Crown Vic,” which starred Thomas Jane as a veteran Los Angeles police officer on the hunt for two violent bank robbers, according to The Associated Press.
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Joel Souza.Ron Adar / Sipa USA via AP file
Exactly how the incident unfolded Thursday was not clear.
Hollywood weapons expert Larry Zanoff said that when firearms are used as props in the television and movie industry only blanks — cartridges that do not hold bullets — are allowed on set.
Even so, there is a minimum safety distance of 20 feet in front of the muzzle because even with a blank, smoke and burning embers can get propelled out of the gun, he said.
“There should be nothing in front of it when filming is occurring with firearms,” Zanoff said.
The weapons should also be inspected before and after each scene, and there should be a safety briefing as part of the protocol, he added.
“We have a series of guidelines in the industry that govern the use of blank firearms and ammunition on set,” he said. “So my question is, of course, firstly, was that protocol followed?”
In 1993, "The Crow" actor Brandon Lee died in a filming accident after he was shot with a prop gun. The son of the martial arts film icon Bruce Lee was 28.
A verified account (https://twitter.com/brandonblee/status/1451401745419030531) for Brandon Lee, which is run by his sister Shannon Lee, according to the bio, tweeted late Thursday that "our hearts go out" to Hutchins' and Souza's families and all involved in the incident.
"No one should ever be killed by a gun on a film set. Period," the account tweeted.
In 1984, the actor Jon-Erik Hexum died playing Russian roulette with a stage pistol loaded with blank and empty cartridges on the set of the "Cover Up" TV series, UPI reported at the time (https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/10/17/Wounded-actor-was-playing-Russian-roulette-police-say/7511466833600/).
In a statement Friday, Innovative Artists, the agency that represented Hutchins, said they "hope this tragedy will reveal new lessons for how to better ensure safety for every crew member on set."
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Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: SimpleMan on October 23, 2021, 09:19:55 AM
It's a horrible tragedy, whatever you might think of Alec Baldwin and his politics.

I could be wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that Alec didn't know much, if anything, about gun safety.  Here are some basics (with corollaries for supposedly "safe" guns such as those loaded with blanks, airguns, and as my son brought up when we discussed it yesterday, even paintball):

Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: crowbar on October 23, 2021, 10:24:53 AM
Ritual Blood Sacrifice

Hollyweird eats its own, too. 
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: josefamenendez on October 23, 2021, 03:11:33 PM
I found it remarkable that the incident was quiet for over 12 hours after it supposedly happened. ( to figure out the official "story" I suspect) It was universally reported that Baldwin used  a "prop" gun that discharged accidentally. One report stated that the prop gun expelled a "projectile "( they didn't want to say the word bullet? So ridiculous!) How did they know these so -called facts so quickly? Now they are targeting the qualified firearm handler on the set. She is disposable. The narrative has been set.

Imagine if it was Jim Caviesel (sp) who had done this. He would have been arrested and in jail without bail and without question.

Alec Baldwin is a docuмented hothead that has been cited many times for assaulting people with his fists and trying to hit them with his car in NYC. Usually these are paparazzi but sometimes it's just an unlucky person who took a valued parking space.
It would not surprise me if Baldwin shot someone in the heat of the moment- it wouldn't be uncharacteristic at all. But of course he is a protected Hollywood player who signed on the dotted line. Who knows? Maybe his usefulness is up for ((TPTB)) like Johnny Depp and other has-beens. they might let him fry.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Mark 79 on October 23, 2021, 03:32:10 PM
Apparently Baldwin, as the movie's producer, allowed the use of a real gun, not a "prop" as the original narrative lied. That real gun was actually loaded with at least one live round.

Alec Baldwin’s ‘Rust’ Movie Set Reportedly Plagued With Multiple Firearm Mishaps, Safety Protocols ‘All But Ignored’

By John Boch -October 23, 2021
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/alec-baldwins-rust-movie-set-reportedly-plagued-with-multiple-firearm-mishaps-safety-protocols-all-but-ignored/ (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/alec-baldwins-rust-movie-set-reportedly-plagued-with-multiple-firearm-mishaps-safety-protocols-all-but-ignored/)

Since TWO people were wounded, either: (1) the second person suffered from a "pass though" or (2) Baldwin fired two live rounds.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Matthew on October 23, 2021, 03:52:37 PM
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Because all mass shooters have three names......


Why is that, anyhow?

Is it to narrow down the damage to a specific name as much as possible? 
As in, we don't want all the Lee Oswald's or John Gacy's to get passed over for job interviews, so let's include the MIDDLE NAME as well, so less people are a perfect match.
There are a lot more Lee Oswalds than there are Lee Harvey Oswalds.

Other than that, I don't understand why your full name is your "serial killer" or "mass murderer" name.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: josefamenendez on October 23, 2021, 04:01:41 PM
I don't know why Matthew, but I always notice that the media gives mass shooters and notorious murderers three names, So I figured Mr Baldwin deserved at least that, too.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Mark 79 on October 23, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
The (((Wikipedia))) page on Hutchins née Androsovych is "semi-locked" and perpetuates the "prop gun" lie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halyna_Hutchins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halyna_Hutchins)
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Minnesota on October 23, 2021, 05:58:18 PM
Some prop guns are indeed real weapons fitted with blanks... Either learn gun safety or add them in post.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: SimpleMan on October 23, 2021, 09:05:18 PM
Quote from: Matthew on October 23, 2021, 03:52:37 PM

Why is that, anyhow?

Is it to narrow down the damage to a specific name as much as possible?
As in, we don't want all the Lee Oswald's or John Gacy's to get passed over for job interviews, so let's include the MIDDLE NAME as well, so less people are a perfect match.
There are a lot more Lee Oswalds than there are Lee Harvey Oswalds.

Other than that, I don't understand why your full name is your "serial killer" or "mass murderer" name.
Just so long as it's not Wayne.

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-serial-killers-seem-to-have-the-middle-name-Wayne

BTW, "Rae"?  Not "Ray"?  He was named after his father, but still...
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: SimpleMan on October 23, 2021, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Mark 79 on October 23, 2021, 03:32:10 PM
Apparently Baldwin, as the movie's producer, allowed the use of a real gun, not a "prop" as the original narrative lied. That real gun was actually loaded with at least one live round.

Alec Baldwin’s ‘Rust’ Movie Set Reportedly Plagued With Multiple Firearm Mishaps, Safety Protocols ‘All But Ignored’

By John Boch -October 23, 2021
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/alec-baldwins-rust-movie-set-reportedly-plagued-with-multiple-firearm-mishaps-safety-protocols-all-but-ignored/ (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/alec-baldwins-rust-movie-set-reportedly-plagued-with-multiple-firearm-mishaps-safety-protocols-all-but-ignored/)

Since TWO people were wounded, either: (1) the second person suffered from a "pass though" or (2) Baldwin fired two live rounds.
As I was saying...

https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/baldwin-ignored-no-1-rule-of-gun-safety-hollywood-weapons-expert/ (https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/baldwin-ignored-no-1-rule-of-gun-safety-hollywood-weapons-expert/)

And, actually, he ignored several rules (or didn't know them to begin with).
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Mark 79 on October 23, 2021, 09:12:22 PM
The Director Souza was injured by a "pass through" most likely from a .45 Long Colt.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10121545/Production-crew-walked-Alec-Baldwin-movie-set-hours-tragic-shooting.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10121545/Production-crew-walked-Alec-Baldwin-movie-set-hours-tragic-shooting.html)
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Bonaventure on October 23, 2021, 10:53:19 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Gt5Gc5N/AB1.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/p4DvbCg/AB2.jpg)

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Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: SimpleMan on October 23, 2021, 11:18:46 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html)

There is no such thing as a "cold gun".  Full stop.

Well, yes, there is, we know this much intellectually, but my point is, always approach a gun as though it is "hot".  People can always make mistakes.  They can pick up the wrong gun.  Or whatever.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: xavierpope on October 24, 2021, 01:30:26 AM
To me it's all fishy and I don't believe the narrative
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Giovanni Berto on October 24, 2021, 04:06:20 AM
No matter what you think of him as a person, he is a very good actor. In my opinion at least.

I think that we should take the "innocent until proven guilty" approach. As fishy as it all sounds, it could be an accident. Even if he did shoot people in the heat of the moment, I think we have all been hot headed one moment or another, right?

That being said, I had always thought that real guns were always used in modern movies. I imagined that they just used "projectile-less" bullets. That does not seem dangerous, except at point-blank.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: bodeens on October 24, 2021, 05:10:46 AM
A "prop gun" wouldn't have the tolerances to handle the pressure created in the chamber from a live round.  Why isn't this being treated like the murder it is?
This is from Reuters

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Some prop guns are non-firing facsimile weapons, but many are real guns, loaded with blank rounds instead of bullets.
So what is it? Was it a real gun or a prop gun? If it was a real gun he pointed, having loaded it with real ammo that sounds like a premeditated murder. If it was a prop gun this would not have happened. Look at the double think the Reuters article wants you to accept: That prop guns aren't real, but some prop guns can fire bullets but never are loaded with non-blanks. Wrap your mind around this cover-up happening.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on October 24, 2021, 06:31:36 AM
Quote from: Matthew on October 23, 2021, 03:52:37 PM

Why is that, anyhow?
Everyone had better keep an eye on Billy Ray Cyrus! He already launched the "Miley" weapon on humanity!
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: josefamenendez on October 24, 2021, 09:17:23 AM
Quote from: Giovanni Berto on October 24, 2021, 04:06:20 AM
No matter what you think of him as a person, he is a very good actor. In my opinion at least.

I think that we should take the "innocent until proven guilty" approach. As fishy as it all sounds, it could be an accident. Even if he did shoot people in the heat of the moment, I think we have all been hot headed one moment or another, right?

That being said, I had always thought that real guns were always used in modern movies. I imagined that they just used "projectile-less" bullets. That does not seem dangerous, except at point-blank.
He IS a very good actor. (What does that have to do with it?)
And... he is innocent until proven guilty, at least that is the law as it is written, but people like Alex Baldwin are never subject to the actual law, and the spin machine starts early.( with him,  from the very beginning). The initial narrative needs to be countered and challenged in the court of public opinion to at least get at some semblance of truth. Otherwise it is just another steamroller job from start to finish.

PS- I don't think being hotheaded mitigates a shooting /killing in any way
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: josefamenendez on October 24, 2021, 09:23:42 AM
Quote from: bodeens on October 24, 2021, 05:10:46 AM
A "prop gun" wouldn't have the tolerances to handle the pressure created in the chamber from a live round.  Why isn't this being treated like the murder it is?
This is from Reuters
So what is it? Was it a real gun or a prop gun? If it was a real gun he pointed, having loaded it with real ammo that sounds like a premeditated murder. If it was a prop gun this would not have happened. Look at the double think the Reuters article wants you to accept: That prop guns aren't real, but some prop guns can fire bullets but never are loaded with non-blanks. Wrap your mind around this cover-up happening.
If, as it's being reported, there was one shot that passed through the deceased lady and hit the director in the shoulder, that would be a powerful "blank". I'm not a gun expert but it doesn't seem possible
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: josefamenendez on October 24, 2021, 09:56:00 AM
I was thinking about the three name deal....it seems like white shooters and murderers get the third name- blacks and foreigners don't.

I think sticking the third name in makes the perp seem more backwoods, country, and "white" (yeah- like Billy Ray, Jimmy Bob) -and a bit more sinister, or at least that's how it appears.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: josefamenendez on October 24, 2021, 10:17:54 AM
The plot thickens.....

https://conservativebrief.com/husband-of-woman-53243/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=PP
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Bonaventure on October 24, 2021, 10:29:36 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/qkHpGT0/Tear.jpg)
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: bodeens on October 24, 2021, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: josefamenendez on October 24, 2021, 09:23:42 AM
If, as it's being reported, there was one shot that passed through the deceased lady and hit the director in the shoulder, that would be a powerful "blank". I'm not a gun expert but it doesn't seem possible
If we're supposed to believe this was a plastic wad (ala what helps group balls in a shotgun shell) there is no way it could possibly penetrate 2 people. 
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Tradman on October 24, 2021, 11:02:02 AM
He must be a criminal, they used his first middle and last name.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Marion on October 24, 2021, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: josefamenendez on October 24, 2021, 09:17:23 AM
he is innocent until proven guilty, at least that is the law as it is written

Not true. The law is: The State has to treat him as if he was innocent until ...

That's a whole different question than the question whether he indeed is innocent or he isn't.
 
He even may be innocent after the State found him guilty.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: Giovanni Berto on October 24, 2021, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: josefamenendez on October 24, 2021, 09:17:23 AM
He IS a very good actor. (What does that have to do with it?)
And... he is innocent until proven guilty, at least that is the law as it is written, but people like Alex Baldwin are never subject to the actual law, and the spin machine starts early.( with him,  from the very beginning). The initial narrative needs to be countered and challenged in the court of public opinion to at least get at some semblance of truth. Otherwise it is just another steamroller job from start to finish.

PS- I don't think being hotheaded mitigates a shooting /killing in any way

I stand corrected. HIs ability as an actor has nothing to do with the topic of the discussion.

As far as I understand, rich and influential people are only considered guilty when even richer and more influential people withdraw their support for them. So, if he actually and intentionally killed the woman, he probably won't go to jail, unless someone profits from it.
That's how the world works, isn't it? Our Lord's trial was 2000 years ago, and the same ideas apply.

Acting hotheaded is "antecedent passion", isn't it? As far as I know, both Moral Theology
 and Secular Laws punish less severely passionate crimes. So I believe that acting hotheaded lessens the culpability of a crime.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: josefamenendez on October 24, 2021, 06:59:26 PM
Giovani

"Even if he did shoot people in the heat of the moment, I think we have all been hot headed one moment or another, right?"

I know crimes of passion do play into the saliency of  an act legally, but your statement above seemed to blow the whole issue off using his volitility as a justification- so that's what I responded to.
Title: Re: Alexander Rae Baldwin lll shoots two- kills one
Post by: josefamenendez on October 24, 2021, 07:32:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O6gudWsxIM