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Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
« on: May 14, 2019, 10:49:38 PM »
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  • https://www.npr.org/2019/05/14/723312937/alabama-lawmakers-passes-abortion-ban

    This will start a huge legal battle, which could end up in the hands of the SCOTUS. 
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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 05:28:02 AM »
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  • It was designed to get it before the Supreme Court.  Pray the Governor signs the bill.


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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #2 on: May 15, 2019, 04:21:32 PM »
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  • My first thoughts, Hooray!  Next thoughts, must be the Baptists, God knows the Catholics are not so pro-life, sad to say.  And may the New Order of the State of Alabama remember that the New Order, via Catholic Charities feeds abortion.  Never give$$.

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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #3 on: May 15, 2019, 04:55:58 PM »
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  • God bless Alabama! I'm ready to move there.. ( Is there a Resistance priest in Birmingham?)

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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #4 on: May 15, 2019, 04:56:32 PM »
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  • It is good to see an occasional step in the right direction. Let's pray that it is the beginning of a turnaround and not just a blip on the downward spiral. 
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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #5 on: May 15, 2019, 09:03:44 PM »
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  • Governor Kay Ivey signed the bill! God bless her!

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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #6 on: May 15, 2019, 09:34:19 PM »
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  • While I'm happy to see this, they invariably contradict themselves:

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    Under the new law, doctors in the state face felony jail time up to 99 years if convicted. But a woman would not be held criminally liable for having an abortion.

    If it is in fact murder, as you claim, why are the women who have abortions exempt from criminal liability?  That's nonsense.  I'm glad they finally dropped the rape and incest crap though.  Either the baby is a human life or it is not.  Be consistent.

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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #7 on: May 16, 2019, 08:29:14 AM »
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  • USAToday is running an article "25 men voted to ban abortion in Alabama. Do they reflect the rest of America?" It has some of the typical PR, with misleading references to vague polls and surveys.

    But they're also trying to demonize this law by saying the votes came from 25 white men. That anyone would think that would fly says a lot about how far anti-male propaganda has developed.

    These Alabama representatives were elected by the people of Alabama. They represent Alabama. If the people of Alabama don't like what they did, they are capable of electing different people. And the governor of Alabama, who could have vetoed, is a woman.

    If men voting on this was wrong, then what does USAToday say about the 9 men of SCOTUS who decided Roe v. Wade? If men voting in Alabama is wrong, then was it not also for SCOTUS?


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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #8 on: May 16, 2019, 09:10:27 AM »
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  • "Under the new law, doctors in the state face felony jail time up to 99 years if convicted. But a woman would not be held criminally liable for having an abortion."

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    While I'm happy to see this, they invariably contradict themselves:

    If it is in fact murder, as you claim, why are the women who have abortions exempt from criminal liability?  That's nonsense.  I'm glad they finally dropped the rape and incest crap though.  Either the baby is a human life or it is not.  Be consistent.

    All those who force a woman to have an abortion -- her school nurse, her doctor, her friends, her boyfriend, her lover, her husband, her mother, her mother-in-law, etc. -- should also be held criminally liable. Studies have shown that many girls and women are forced into an abortion. Those who are forced into an abortion should not be held criminally liable. Instead, those who conspired to kill her and/or her unborn baby should be prosecuted.

    Unscrupulous men or boys who groom women or girls to have sex, who rape them, and then who force them into an abortion should also be held criminally liable.

    Some women are even punched in the stomach to kill the baby or are secretly given an abortifacent, drug, poison, or herbal treatment that will cause an abortion. This is premeditated murder.

    Bottom line: Anyone who engages in any criminal activity or conspiracy to kill pregnant ladies, unborn babies, or newborns should be exposed, prosecuted and convicted.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #9 on: May 16, 2019, 09:13:36 AM »
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  • Surveys can be heavily dependent on the phrasing and knowledge assumed in the question. For example:

    "Should schools in America teach Arabic Numerals as part of their curriculum?"
    Results: Yes - 29%, No - 56%  No opinion - 15%

    (Snopes says this happened.)

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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #10 on: May 16, 2019, 09:31:18 AM »
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  • Abortion will not be truly outlawed until all abortifacent birth control drugs and the morning after pill are also outlawed.

    And yes, women and girls who engage in repeated abortions should be held criminally liable.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #11 on: May 16, 2019, 09:38:38 AM »
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  • https://www.npr.org/2019/05/14/723312937/alabama-lawmakers-passes-abortion-ban

    Under the new law, doctors in the state face felony jail time up to 99 years if convicted. But a woman would not be held criminally liable for having an abortion.

    That pesky female privilege, again.
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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #12 on: May 16, 2019, 09:45:25 AM »
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  • That pesky female privilege, again.
    The male legislators who wrote this law obviously did not want to lose the female vote, but notice also that male rapists, sex predators, pedophiles, and pimps are not held accountable in this law. Only doctors will be punished.

    These men want to have their pie and eat it too.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #13 on: May 16, 2019, 09:51:24 AM »
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    The male legislators who wrote this law obviously did not want to lose the female vote, but notice also that male sex predators, pedophiles, and pimps are not held accountable in this law. Only doctors will be punished.

    Those criminals should be tried for the crimes of rape, pedophilia & prostitution, but they have nothing to do with having the unborn baby murdered. The doctor and pychopathic mother who willingly kills her unborn baby should be held accountable for the murder.
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    Re: Alabama Effectively Outlaws Abortion
    « Reply #14 on: May 16, 2019, 10:22:44 AM »
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  • All those who force a woman to have an abortion -- her school nurse, her doctor, her friends, her boyfriend, her lover, her husband, her mother, her mother-in-law, etc. -- should also be held criminally liable. Studies have shown that many girls and women are forced into an abortion. Those who are forced into an abortion should not be held criminally liable. Instead, those who conspired to kill her and/or her unborn baby should be prosecuted. 

    Rarely is a woman "forced" to have an abortion; that's usually after-the-fact rationalization from women who subsequently developed guilty consciences about it.

    Pressure?  Yes, I'm sure that happens all the time.  But forced?  I'm sure that happens from time to time, but it's much more rare.

    In any case, you would treat this like any murder case.  If these other people (e.g. men) materially participated, then they should be tried as accomplices.  If they tried to persuade her to do it, they could be accessories or conspirators in murder.  If a woman were forced to such a degree that it was no longer a free act, then of course she could be found not guilty.  But, despite the outward fear and pressure, sin is still sin if there's any element of free will left.  So, for instance, those who apostasize under threat of death or torture, still commit a sin; it's merely that the gravity of the sin in God's eyes may be extenuated due to these external pressures.

     

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