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Offline Geremia

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Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
« on: May 17, 2019, 02:28:20 PM »
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  • Alabama's HB 314 includes a mother's health exception clause. Basically, if two psychiatrists think she'll kill her baby, a professional baby-killer can instead. Ridiculous!
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    (6) SERIOUS HEALTH RISK TO THE UNBORN CHILD'S MOTHER. In reasonable medical judgment, the child's mother has a condition that so complicates her medical condition that it necessitates the termination of her pregnancy to avert her death or to avert serious risk of substantial physical impairment of a major bodily function. This term does not include a condition based on a claim that the woman is suffering from an emotional condition or a mental illness which will cause her to engage in conduct that intends to result in her death or the death of her unborn child. However, HB314 the condition may exist if a second physician who is licensed in Alabama as a psychiatrist, with a minimum of three years of clinical experience, examines the woman and documents that the woman has a diagnosed serious mental illness and because of it, there is reasonable medical judgment that she will engage in conduct that could result in her death or the death of her unborn child. If the mental health diagnosis and likelihood of conduct is confirmed as provided in this act, and it is determined that a termination of her pregnancy is medically necessary to avoid the conduct, the termination may be performed and shall be only performed by a physician licensed in Alabama in a hospital as defined in the Alabama Administrative Code and to which he or she has admitting privileges.
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    Offline Maria Regina

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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #1 on: May 17, 2019, 11:49:50 PM »
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  • Alabama's HB 314 includes a mother's health exception clause. Basically, if two psychiatrists think she'll kill her baby, a professional baby-killer can instead. Ridiculous!
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #2 on: May 18, 2019, 05:41:20 AM »
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  • Ok, it’s not perfect, but don’t you think it’s quite a few steps in the right direction?

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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #3 on: May 18, 2019, 12:35:47 PM »
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  • Ok, it’s not perfect, but don’t you think it’s quite a few steps in the right direction?
    No it is not, because ‘murdering babies in the name of better health’ is still a call to Heaven for vengeance, and it now has the protection by this new law.
    This compromise does nothing for the prolife cause when they say ‘ok only some babies can die’.
    Innocent human lives are not political tools you can bargain with to gain votes.

    At best, do we really think that the psychiatrists will only put in orders for the murder of a reasonable amount of babies? Only the ones that really are worthy of death because the mother will live instead? We know better than that. 
    Plus, it means abortionists must stay in business, when instead they should be run out of town with pitchforks never to put their blood stained hands on another patient again.
    Why so drastic a response? Because prolife or not, EVERYONE and their mother KNOWS they are killing real human beings. No compromises are left now, it is OVER. All the killing MUST END NOW.  

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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #4 on: May 18, 2019, 11:14:11 PM »
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  • Ok, it’s not perfect, but don’t you think it’s quite a few steps in the right direction?
    No. Such women should be locked up in a mental institution because then the woman and the child could have a chance at being saved.
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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #5 on: May 19, 2019, 01:39:31 AM »
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  • No. Such women should be locked up in a mental institution because then the woman and the child could have a chance at being saved.
    Locking up people in mental institutions would not increase their chances of being saved. Instead, with all the drugs administered in these facilities by psychiatrists, patients are reduced to zombies who are unable to pray due to the fluoridated psychoactive drugs, which affects the brain. I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

    It would be awesome if Catholic monasteries could be set up to care for pregnant women and their children instead of institutionalizing people in mental health care facilities.

    I used to visit a lady who was mentally ill. She was incarcerated in a skilled nursing facility among a normal population unaware that she had been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. Her psychiatrists would discourage any practice of religion, so my friend would ask me for holy cards, religious reading materials, and rosaries, which would be taken away from her by the nurses. It was so pathetic. She died alone without a priest although she was given a Catholic funeral by her family.
    Lord have mercy.

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #6 on: May 19, 2019, 04:15:48 AM »
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  • No. Such women should be locked up in a mental institution because then the woman and the child could have a chance at being saved.
    I agree, if they are truly mentally ill. But isn’t it, at least for the time being, better that 90%+ of these babies are spared from being murdered? This law is supposed to be challenged and sent to the Supreme Court which could overturn Roe v Wade. 

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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #7 on: May 19, 2019, 08:25:13 AM »
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  • Most institutions (rehabs,mental inpatient units, prisons) with government funding ( medicaid) will transport patients/ inmates to abortion facilities. I've seen this many times. No protection there, in fact quite the opposite


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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #8 on: May 19, 2019, 10:25:05 AM »
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  • Most institutions (rehabs,mental inpatient units, prisons) with government funding ( medicaid) will transport patients/ inmates to abortion facilities. I've seen this many times. No protection there, in fact quite the opposite
    Even worse, many psychiatric inmates are raped by staff or by other mentally ill inmates who are in these skilled nursing facilities and who are registered sex offenders.

    It is not a safe place to be.

    Only a few months ago, a comatose woman in an Arizona skilled nursing center was raped by a staff member. Months later, this woman gave birth to a baby. Thankfully, staff did not even know that she was pregnant, and they only noticed because the woman was groaning during the active part of labor. Even if that institution had wanted to transport her to the hospital for an abortion to hide this crime, there was no time to do so. The woman's parents have custody of their grandchild (a healthy boy) and are raising it.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #9 on: May 19, 2019, 05:26:03 PM »
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  • I agree, if they are truly mentally ill. But isn’t it, at least for the time being, better that 90%+ of these babies are spared from being murdered? This law is supposed to be challenged and sent to the Supreme Court which could overturn Roe v Wade.
    Lesser evils are not "better".
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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #10 on: May 19, 2019, 05:26:48 PM »
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  • Locking up people in mental institutions would not increase their chances of being saved. Instead, with all the drugs administered in these facilities by psychiatrists, patients are reduced to zombies who are unable to pray due to the fluoridated psychoactive drugs, which affects the brain. I would not wish this on my worst enemy.
    We shouldn't allow murder of anyone, though.
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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #11 on: May 19, 2019, 08:42:57 PM »
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  • We shouldn't allow murder of anyone, though.
    Of course not. Abortion and euthanasia are both murder. Both should be outlawed. However, here in California, Oregon, and Washington, both are now legal.

    Currently, in hospices across the USA, under Obama Care, patients are prescribed morphine with gradually increased doses which causes death by weakening and ultimately stopping the heart. Most people do not know this. Mental health facilities usually have "hospice care" in one of their wards where patients are routinely euthanized though morphine.

    This is euthanasia. This is murder. This is wrong, and it should not be allowed.

    When I was in the hospital for a bad case of flu, which had killed my college professor, a nurse came in at midnight with a syringe loaded with morphine. I refused the injection, which he said was part of my doctor's orders. Had I not been awake, he would have injected the morphine into my saline bag, and I could have died as I am highly allergic to all opioid drugs.

    How many people are euthanized or suicided through doctor's orders?

    When my husband was involved in a serious accident, to handle his pain, he was given IV morphine on demand for three days. He accepted this medication not fully realizing how dangerous this opioid drug is. By the third day, his heart started showing dangerous arrhythmias and heart skips, which the doctors attributed to the morphine.
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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #12 on: May 19, 2019, 08:47:28 PM »
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  • Lesser evils are not "better".
    Actually, sometimes it’s imperative that you vote for the lesser of two evils.

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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #13 on: May 19, 2019, 10:08:55 PM »
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  • I have heard, but right now I cannot substantiate it, that abortion does not save the life of the mother. A mother is more likely to be killed by abortion in the short run or in the long run. If I can get the details I will. It was on the word of a reputable gynacologist.

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    Re: Alabama didn't ban all abortions.
    « Reply #14 on: May 20, 2019, 02:18:30 AM »
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  • I have heard, but right now I cannot substantiate it, that abortion does not save the life of the mother. A mother is more likely to be killed by abortion in the short run or in the long run. If I can get the details I will. It was on the word of a reputable gynacologist.
    There have been several research papers which have shown that women who have had one or more abortions have a higher incident of breast cancer.
    There is also a higher risk of suicide and depression among women who have had abortions.

    I do not know if recent studies have been done, as there is a problem with this type of research.
    Any scholarly research which shows that abortions lead to cancer or death due to depression is not likely to get funded.
    Lord have mercy.

     

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