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Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall (R) on Tuesday urged a federal court to drop its block on the state's ban on gender-affirming care for trans youth arguing such care is not protected by the Constitution.

Driving the news: Marshall used the U.S Supreme Court's decision overturning Roe v. Wade to suggest that since the court rejected the idea that abortion cannot be protected under the 14th Amendment because it's not "deeply rooted" in the nation's history, the same could be said about access to gender-affirming care.

Context: Alabama's S.B. 184 makes it a felony for any person to "engage in or cause" specified types of medical care for trans youth, threatening criminal prosecution to doctors, parents, guardians and any else who attempts to provide that care to a minor.

  • Anyone who violates this law, which was enacted in April this year and blocked in May, could face up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $15,000.
The big picture: Prior to Roe being overturned, abortion access was protected under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. There are several constitutional rights that are currently protected in that same way, those include same-sex relationships, marriage equality and access to contraceptives.

Yes, but: Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who also joined the majority, wrote in his own concurrence that the decision to overturn Roe was only abortion, saying that "
  • verruling Roe does not mean the overruling of those precedents, and does not threaten or cast doubt on those precedents."


Details: "[N]o one — adult or child — has a right to transitioning treatments that is deeply rooted in our Nation's history and tradition. The State can thus regulate or prohibit those interventions for children, even if an adult wants the drugs for his child," Marshall wrote in a court docuмent.

  • "Just as the parental relationship does not unlock a Due Process right allowing parents to obtain medical marijuana or abortions for their children, neither does it unlock a right to transitioning treatments."
  • "The Constitution reserves to the state — not courts of medical interest groups — the authority to determine that these sterilizing interventions are too dangerous for minors."
Reality check: Medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the American Medical Association, have condemned legislation to restrict gender-affirming medical care, saying it could have a detrimental effect on the mental health of transgender youth.


https://www.axios.com/2022/06/28/alabama-roe-supreme-court-block-trans-health-care


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May God bless Justice Clarence Thomas,
 who wrote in a concurring opinion that the Supreme Court should reconsider other due process precedents such as Griswold, Lawrence and Obergefell.
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May God bless Justice Clarence Thomas,
 who wrote in a concurring opinion that the Supreme Court should reconsider other due process precedents such as Griswold, Lawrence and Obergefell.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/politics/florida-abortion-law/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-judge-blocks-enforcement-pre-roe-v-wade-abortion-ban-clinics-lawyers-2022-06-28/

You have to be prepared for a long battle because for the vast majority of Americans, this is settled law. The vast majority of Americans on both sides do not want this overturned.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/politics/florida-abortion-law/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-judge-blocks-enforcement-pre-roe-v-wade-abortion-ban-clinics-lawyers-2022-06-28/

You have to be prepared for a long battle because for the vast majority of Americans, this is settled law. The vast majority of Americans on both sides do not want this overturned.
100% of those who love and serve Our Creator, Our Lord Jesus Christ strongly defend the right of innocent babies to be protected by law. Allowing the killing of innocent babies is an afront to Our Lord and cannot ever be "settled law".

Owning a slave was SETTLED LAW under Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court in which the Court held that the United States Constitution was not meant to include American citizenship for people of African descent, regardless of whether they were enslaved or free, and so the rights .and privileges that the Constitution confers upon American citizens could not be extended to them.

As in Roe v Wade, the SC realized their egregious error, came to their senses and reversed  Dred v Scott. Praise God that they have also reversed the equally disgusting, repulsive, offensive baby-killing Roe v Wade.
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Matt Walsh addressed the coming battle and persecution in 2018.

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100% of those who love and serve Our Creator, Our Lord Jesus Christ strongly defend the right of innocent babies to be protected by law. Allowing the killing of innocent babies is an afront to Our Lord and cannot ever be "settled law".

Owning a slave was SETTLED LAW under Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393 (1857), a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court in which the Court held that the United States Constitution was not meant to include American citizenship for people of African descent, regardless of whether they were enslaved or free, and so the rights .and privileges that the Constitution confers upon American citizens could not be extended to them.

As in Roe v Wade, the SC realized their egregious error, came to their senses and reversed  Dred v Scott. Praise God that they have also reversed the equally disgusting, repulsive, offensive baby-killing Roe v Wade.
Cera, I was talking about Thomas wanting to potentially repeal Griswold, Lawrence and Obergefell. To even something like 60-70% of Republicans, they don't want those laws gone. That is where your biggest resistance will be.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lgbt-poll-idUSKCN2DL294
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As in Roe v Wade, the SC realized their egregious error, came to their senses and reversed  Dred v Scott. Praise God that they have also reversed the equally disgusting, repulsive, offensive baby-killing Roe v Wade.
The comparison doesn't make any sense. The U.S. Constitution is explicit that it only extends to the posterity of the American people, not everyone with a pulse living in Libya ("America belongs to everyone!"), etc. The majority of the people involved in its creation expressed this by severely limiting immigration and citizenship to Whites (and mostly Protestants). Most Whites didn't even get to vote.

Let's not get carried away by nine unelected tyrants' whims. It's a temporary victory, but certainly, rejoice that the Left took a minor defeat. Just don't reimagine the revolution into Divine Justice or progress. The revolution has many paths and one destination.

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Cera, I was talking about Thomas wanting to potentially repeal Griswold, Lawrence and Obergefell. To even something like 60-70% of Republicans, they don't want those laws gone. That is where your biggest resistance will be.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lgbt-poll-idUSKCN2DL294
Griswald was a set-up for the made-up "right to privacy" which laid the foundation to legalize baby-killing, and which may rear its ugly head again at a future time for leftist judges to play with their imaginary "right" which is NOT in the Constitution.

Griswold was an old law on the books that was not being enforced. It was a set-up similar to the unenforced laws on the books of every state which outlawed sodomy. The gαy lobby set up a situation in which the police were called to a home and when they arrived two sodomites were doing their thing.

Likewise, Griswald was an old law on the books that was not being enforced. It outlawed contraception, so the pro-aborts used it like the proverbial “camel’s nose under the tent.”

I found this explanation by a Constitutional scholar:
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/88676-griswold-v-connecticut-how-we-got-to-roe-v-wade-2022-05-27

The opinion by Justice William O. Douglas, an opinion which has been called “one of the most idiosyncratic” in Supreme Court history, set the stage for an end to the protection of unborn children provided by state anti-abortion laws.

The Court, in a 7-2 decision, struck down the legislation. That determination was not particularly surprising. Most states with similar laws had long ago repealed them. Practically speaking, the law had become more and more unenforceable. Oral contraceptives, first approved by the FDA in 1960, were increasing in use. However, the importance of Griswold was not the striking down of the Connecticut statute. Instead, it was the opinion by Justice Douglas in which he unveiled a new “right” as the basis for the decision, i.e., the right to privacy.

Douglas, knowing there was no specific, enumerated “right to privacy” in the Constitution, set out in his opinion to find this right implicit in other existing rights. Douglas saw “privacy” elements in the Third and Fourth Amendments, the first protecting citizens’ privacy from the military quartering troops in their homes and the second against maintaining privacy against unreasonable searches. He also found elements of privacy protected by the Fifth Amendment’s self-incrimination restrictions and in the First Amendment’s protection of the privacy of one’s political affiliation. Court historian Melvin Urofsky called the next step in Douglas’ analysis, “highly creative and controversial.” Douglas borrowed a term from science—penumbra—which in astronomy describes the glow produced around the edges of a heavenly body. He claimed that the privacy elements found in the explicit rights cast glows of privacy—penumbras—that could then be combined to make the new “right of privacy.”

Furthermore, Douglas and Justice Arthur Goldberg attempted to marshal the Ninth Amendment to support their view of the discovery of this new “right.” The Ninth says that the enumeration of rights does not deny the possibility of “other rights retained by the people.” Douglas and Goldberg regarded the Ninth as a constitutional assent to the existence of previously unknown rights. Once Douglas “unearthed” this new right of privacy, he concluded that it was properly extended to protect the “marital bed;” that is, the married couple’s decision to use contraceptives. A new constitutional right was born.

Justice Hugo Black penned a strongly worded dissent. He firmly opposed the new penumbral “right of privacy.” He wrote: “The Court talks about a constitutional ‘right of privacy’ as though there is some constitutional provision or provisions forbidding any law ever to be passed which might abridge the ‘privacy’ of individuals. But there is not.” He continued: “I get nowhere in this case by talk about a constitutional ‘right of privacy’ as an emanation from one or more constitutional provisions.”

Justice Black assured his brethren that he recognized that “there are guarantees in certain specific provisions [of some Amendments] which are designed in part to protect privacy.” But, he continued, the protections are only provided “at certain times and places with regard to certain activities.” One of the amendments relied upon by Douglas is the Third Amendment. Its wording puts up a constitutional barrier against quartering troops. The American founders intended to prevent the military use of individual property against the wishes of the owner. The language was and is concrete, specific, and clear. In stark contrast, the “privacy” that Douglas claimed to uncover, said Black, was “a broad, abstract, ambiguous concept.” Black warned: “One of the most effective ways of diluting or expanding a constitutionally guaranteed right is to substitute for the crucial word or words of a constitutional guarantee another word or words, more or less flexible or more or less restricted in meaning.”

That was what Justice Douglas had done in the majority opinion. He had created a new right with an uncertain meaning.

Highly regarded constitutional scholars, Thomas Emerson and Paul Kauper, writing in 1965, agreed. They worried about “the vagueness of the concept, and the general lack of precise standards” and its “accordion-like qualities.” Law professor Robert G. Dixon, Jr. also wrote in 1965: “the term [privacy] no where appears in the Constitution.” He referred to the Douglas opinion as “an opinion which roams through the Bill of Rights picking up a letter here and another there to spell out the new right.” Years later, Judge Robert Bork, also an opponent of penumbral rights, put it this way: “We are left with no idea of the sweep of the right of privacy and hence no notion of the cases to which it may or may not be applied in the future.” (That position was one of the primary reasons that Judge Bork was not confirmed for a Supreme Court post and, instead, Anthony Kennedy was nominated and confirmed.)

Besides the vagueness and indeterminacy of the “new right,” Black rejected the misuse of the Ninth Amendment claimed by his fellow justices. “That Amendment [Ninth]was passed, not to broaden the powers of this court or any other department of ‘the General Government,’” he stated, “but, as every student of history knows, to assure the people that the Constitution in all its provisions was intended to limit the Federal Government to the powers granted expressly or by necessary implication.” In fact, to interpret the Ninth Amendment as the majority sought to do would be to give the court too much power: “Use of any such broad, unbounded judicial authority would make of this court’s members a day-to-day constitutional convention.”

Justice Black was right, almost prophetic, about the unknown and potentially expansive meaning of the newly minted “right.” Eight years later, lawyers fighting for the legalization of abortion convinced the court to combine this “right of privacy” with liberty under the 14th Amendment. Justice Harry Blackmun wrote for the majority: “This right of privacy, whether found in the Fourteenth Amendment’s concept of personal liberty … or … in the Ninth Amendment’s reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.” The seemingly innocuous case of Griswold, with its new privacy right and novel interpretation of the Ninth Amendment, became the foundation for Roe v. Wade.

John Hart Ely, a noted legal scholar and professor of law a Yale University Law School, in 1973 wrote one scathing sentence about the Griswold-based Roe decision. “It [Roe] is bad because it is bad constitutional law, or rather because it is not constitutional law and gives almost no sense of an obligation to try to be.”

Now a majority of the current Supreme Court appears to be ready to say the same thing. Justice Samuel Alito states in the leaked opinion: “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences.”

It all began with the Douglas opinion in Griswold.

Dr. John A. Sparks is the retired Dean of Arts & Letters, Grove City College and a Fellow in the Institute for Faith and Freedom. He is a member of the state bar of Pennsylvania and a graduate of Grove City College and the University of Michigan Law School. Sparks writes regularly for the Institute on Supreme Court developments.
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Cera, I was talking about Thomas wanting to potentially repeal Griswold, Lawrence and Obergefell. To even something like 60-70% of Republicans, they don't want those laws gone. That is where your biggest resistance will be.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lgbt-poll-idUSKCN2DL294
Lawrence v Texas was another set-up by the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lobby, laying the groundwork for legalization of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "marriage." Numerous states had laws on the books criminalizing sodomy, but the laws had not been enforeced.

Thanks to the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lobby, a false report was made about the weapon being fired.  As police arrived to investigate the fake complaint, two sodomites did their thing for the purpose of being arrested. As planned the men were arrested, charged, and fined after pleading no contest. As planned, the sodomite lobby fought their case all the way to the SC.

I found this from 2003:

Despite the suspicious circuмstances of the case—the unlikely arrests make it appear the whole thing was staged precisely as a test case, as was previously true of Griswold v. Connecticut and Roe v. Wade—the Supreme Court granted review. Why? Hadn’t the court settled the issue in the 1986 Bowers v. Hardwick? In that case, the court upheld Georgia’s anti-sodomy law. So why revisit the issue now?

It appears inescapable that a majority of the court is looking for an opportunity to review Bowers and perhaps overturn it. Why else grant review in a nearly identical case? While the two laws in question in Georgia and Texas differ somewhat, the differences are of little import. The Texas law specifically applies to people of the same sex, while Georgia’s statute proscribing sodomy is gender neutral. Yet the majority in Bowers made it clear that, de facto, the Georgia statute was enforced almost exclusively against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. The majority said, “We express no opinion on the constitutionality of the Georgia statute as applied to other [non-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ] acts of sodomy.”

Pro-marriage conservatives see this potentially as yet another step toward legal recognition of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage. If the court were to overturn the Texas sodomy law, yet another barrier to legalizing same-sex marriage will have fallen. Although the Texas law was rarely enforced—and then almost exclusively in cases involving public lewd acts—the symbolism is important. ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activists and advocates of gαy marriage are eager to remove legal proscriptions against sodomy, even if such proscriptions are un-enforced. If the law is a teacher, then the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lobby wants to silence its pro forma disapproval of same-sex sex.

Opponents of the anti-sodomy statute argue that this an area of private morality into which the law dare not intrude. Social conservatives argue that private sɛҳuąƖ conduct rarely remains private, and that even personal morality can have large public consequences. How we order our families, raise our children, care for one another—all ostensibly purely private concerns—have enormous implications for the public good. If we privatize all sɛҳuąƖ morality and put it beyond the reach of the law, moreover, then legal proscriptions against incest, polygamy, plural marriage, so-called “group marriage and all other purely “private” sɛҳuąƖ arrangements must inevitably fall.

Sixteen years ago the court held anti-sodomy laws to be constitutional, but times change. A majority may now want to make the law conform to changing social mores. As American society has become more tolerant of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in general and public displays of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, so should the law follow the shifting public attitudes. In this view, constitutional law becomes the pale reflection of the latest Gallup Poll. It’s law as interpreted by MTV and HBO.
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Cera, I was talking about Thomas wanting to potentially repeal Griswold, Lawrence and Obergefell. To even something like 60-70% of Republicans, they don't want those laws gone. That is where your biggest resistance will be.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lgbt-poll-idUSKCN2DL294
The court in Obergefell v. Hodges offended Almighty God by perverting the law to say sodomites and lesbians could be legally “married.”

The Holy Sacrament of Marriage was designed by God. For millenia, even non-Christian cultures for knew that marriage is the basis of the family and the basis of civilized society. Marriage provides for children to be born into committed marriage relationships with a mother and a father.

Prior to Obergefell, the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution made it clear that the so-called “right” of sodomites to pretend to be “married” was decided state by state. Many states banned it as offensive to Almighty God, and others legalized it (just as many states legalized baby-killing).

In Obergefell, the SC  twisted the law to legalize sodomites and lesbians being legally “married.” They also trampled on states’ rights as did Roe v Wade.

I found this:
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family-qa/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-decision/

Today the Supreme Court issued a disappointing decision that imposes same-sex marriage on all fifty states. Although this result was predicted by many observers, the action of the Court is nonetheless startling in its rejection of a societal understanding of marriage that is thousands of years old. It tramples on the democratic process by overruling the 50 million voters in thirty-one states who voted for one man, one woman marriage amendments, and creates a new federal constitutional right in an area where our founding docuмent is silent.

We are also concerned that this decision will fan the flames of government hostility against individuals, businesses, and organizations whose religious conscience prevents them from officiating at, participating in, or celebrating such unions. We’ve already watched this hostility operate against wedding vendors, military chaplains, and others, and anticipate that today’s decision will open the door to an unwelcome escalation of this problem.
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