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Offline Charlemagne

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"Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
« on: July 30, 2016, 06:41:07 PM »
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  • I think this author makes many good points, although I disagree vehemently regarding "Israel."

    http://townhall.com/columnists/waynegrudem/2016/07/28/why-voting-for-donald-trump-is-a-morally-good-choice-n2199564
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #1 on: July 30, 2016, 07:36:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Charlemagne
    I think this author makes many good points, although I disagree vehemently regarding "Israel."

    http://townhall.com/columnists/waynegrudem/2016/07/28/why-voting-for-donald-trump-is-a-morally-good-choice-n2199564


    I agreed with a good part of what he said, but then I reached the end and saw this:

    Trump Is Reportedly Plotting Revenge Against Ted Cruz And John Kasich

    ... and all of those good thoughts about Trump were squashed once again.

    The author of the article was convincing because he articulated both strengths and weaknesses ... a sign that he's not reaching his conclusion emotionally, but rather reasonably. Too bad Trump hasn't found anyone to teach him how to do that.
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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #2 on: July 30, 2016, 09:13:09 PM »
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  • Then you can die on the hill of principle while your children and mine suffer for the rest of their lives under a leftist Court. By the way, Cruz is nothing but an Establishment hack posing as an outsider. Anyone affiliated with the Bush crime family deserves whatever fate comes their way.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #3 on: July 30, 2016, 10:15:56 PM »
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    Then you can die on the hill of principle while your children and mine suffer for the rest of their lives under a leftist Court.


    I'm well aware of how much my vote in a general presidential election matters, and that would be pretty much not at all. Without any significant 3rd party runs (which wouldn't make it to the ballot here at this point), this state will go to Trump whether I vote for him or not.

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    By the way, Cruz is nothing but an Establishment hack posing as an outsider. Anyone affiliated with the Bush crime family deserves whatever fate comes their way.


    It's possible, but I've not yet seen it proven. Prior to knowing who might be challenging him in 2 years, I have no problem voting for him (again) at this point.
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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #4 on: July 30, 2016, 10:45:26 PM »
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    Then you can die on the hill of principle while your children and mine suffer for the rest of their lives under a leftist Court.


    I'm well aware of how much my vote in a general presidential election matters, and that would be pretty much not at all. Without any significant 3rd party runs (which wouldn't make it to the ballot here at this point), this state will go to Trump whether I vote for him or not.

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    By the way, Cruz is nothing but an Establishment hack posing as an outsider. Anyone affiliated with the Bush crime family deserves whatever fate comes their way.


    It's possible, but I've not yet seen it proven. Prior to knowing who might be challenging him in 2 years, I have no problem voting for him (again) at this point.


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    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #5 on: July 31, 2016, 12:01:41 AM »
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  • I was sort of pro-Trump until I saw this: He wants to DEFAULT ON THE US NATIONAL DEBT.

    You cannot, I repeat, you cannot play games with such a powerhouse of international finance like the US dollar like that. We would instantly become Greece, if not worse.
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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #6 on: July 31, 2016, 09:13:05 AM »
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  • The sooner we default the better.  Should have happened back in 2008.  If the world wants to play ball they still want to play on our field!

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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #7 on: July 31, 2016, 02:32:22 PM »
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  • Some good points


    Interesting take on Trump.
    William J. Bennett, host of Bill Bennett's Morning in America Show, is one of America's most important, influential, and respected voices on cultural, political, and education issues. He has one of the strongest Christian world views of any
    writer in modern times.


    What I See Happening In a Trump Presidency
      By Bill Bennett

    "They will kill him before they let him be president. It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the
    shutting up of Trump.

    Don’t be surprised if Trump has an accident. Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett,
    Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.

    It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions
    of dollars from this partnership, and it's in all of their interests to protect one another. It's one for all and all for one. It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich, everyone except the American people. We get ripped off. We’re
    the patsies. But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared. The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely
    angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened.

    Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke. He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart.

    It's no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald. It's because most of the other politicians are part of the a good old boys club. They talk big, but they won’t change a thing. They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations –
    like Big Pharmacy or Big Oil. Or they are owned lock, stock, and barrel by foreigners like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary and their Clinton Foundation donations.

    These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money. But there's one man who isn't
    beholden to anyone. There's one man who doesn't need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or
    the United Auto Workers, or the teacher's union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.

    Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media
    says. He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think. That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled
    slave masters.

    Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch
    McConnell talked a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama? Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse
    strings, yet has never tried to de-fund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens?
    Bizarre, right? It defies logic, right?

    First, I'd guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being
    blackmailed. Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gαy, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency
    knows everything.

    Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that. The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his
    own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies
    are watching every Republican political leader. They survive everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called racists, so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment.
    Fourth , why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a good old boy, you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job
    waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed. Win or lose, they win.

    But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules. Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business. All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides but not Trump. Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama's birth certificate. He questioned Obama's college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university. Now, he's doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do. He's questioning our relationship with Mexico; he's questioning why the border is wide open; he's questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he's questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he's questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he's questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.

    Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick. Good question! I'm
    certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends
    of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website. By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion. Trump will ask if Obamacare's architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying. Trump will investigate Obama's widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama's college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for
    fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election. How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor
    Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?

    Obama, the multinational corporations and the media need to stop Trump. They recognize this could get out of control.
    If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping
    giant. Trump's election would be a nightmare. Obama has committed many crimes. No one else but Trump would dare
    to prosecute. He will not hesitate. Once Trump gets in and gets a look at the cooked books and Obama's records, the game is over. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison. Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money. Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for misplacing $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi. The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.

    Obamacare will be de-funded and dismantled. Obama himself could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters. Trump will
    investigate. Trump will prosecute. Trump will go after everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been
    unleashed on Donald Trump.

    Yes, it's become open season on Donald Trump. The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his
    businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates. But they can't silence him. And they sure can't
    intimidate him. The more they try, the more the public will realize that he's the one telling the truth".




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    Offline Matto

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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #8 on: July 31, 2016, 03:26:04 PM »
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  • There is a woman at my chapel who supported Bernie Sanders and now that he lost she is telling me how great the green party is. I think it is insane, and she used to be a Ron Paul supporter. I don't understand it.
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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #9 on: July 31, 2016, 05:20:09 PM »
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    There is a woman at my chapel who supported Bernie Sanders and now that he lost she is telling me how great the green party is. I think it is insane, and she used to be a Ron Paul supporter. I don't understand it.


    No, I completely get her. A lot of the Bernie Sanders/Green Party/Ron Paul people are just trying to get as far as bloody possible from the establishment. That's why 20-25% of them are voting for Trump. There's a lot of anti-vaxxers/homeopathy apologists in the Green Party for whatever reason.
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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #10 on: July 31, 2016, 05:41:28 PM »
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    There is a woman at my chapel who supported Bernie Sanders and now that he lost she is telling me how great the green party is. I think it is insane, and she used to be a Ron Paul supporter. I don't understand it.

    You need to report this to your priest. She should not be taking communion if she supports liberal politicians.


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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #11 on: July 31, 2016, 05:45:58 PM »
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  • Maybe I will bring it up the next time I go to confession because that is the only time I get to speak to the priest. I think it would be helpful with the elections coming up for the priest to tell us what we should do and who we should vote for. Like telling us if it is okay to vote for Trump because even though he is good on some issues he still seems to support sodomy.
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    "Why Voting for Donald Trump is a Morally Good Choice"
    « Reply #12 on: July 31, 2016, 09:48:46 PM »
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    There is a woman at my chapel who supported Bernie Sanders and now that he lost she is telling me how great the green party is. I think it is insane, and she used to be a Ron Paul supporter. I don't understand it.

    You need to report this to your priest. She should not be taking communion if she supports liberal politicians.


    That would create a dilemma. I could see a lot of people, fairly conservative Trads included, vote Clinton because they want to avoid Trump. Lesser of two evils, basically.
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    « Reply #13 on: July 31, 2016, 10:03:34 PM »
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    That would create a dilemma. I could see a lot of people, fairly conservative Trads included, vote Clinton because they want to avoid Trump. Lesser of two evils, basically.

    I don't see many trads voting for Hillary. If the Cathinfo polls in any way show how most trads will vote, nearly all of them support Trump, a third party, or not voting. No trads at least on Cathinfo support Hillary. Even my friend who shocked me by saying she supported Sanders and then the Green Party thinks Hillary is evil and would never vote for her.
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.