[Lover of Truth]

Starting a pool on when the phrase "Yo mamma" is put in play…

You do not answer my questions.  But do the above instead.  Have fun don't wave.

[DZ PLEASE]

If you witness this man mixing "Kool-aid…"

I put a like on you. Than you for being objective and not having a bias.  Lefebvre did believe as the Church believes on BOD.  He made one statement that was imprecise on it but I believe he understood the position correctly.  I believe this on a hunch because despite not being a bonafide theologian he knew the faith better than most or all of us her.  I will post what the SSPX believes so you can get an idea. 

Thanks for not thinking me the anti-Christ as most of the vocal feeneyites here do.  I kind of take it as a compliment as I consider the source.  Their lack of charity shows they are backed against the wall and at least subconsciously know it.  Their beef is with the theologians, Fathers, Saints, Doctors, Trent, Popes.  I simply present what they have taught.

[DZ PLEASE]

… and, lookit, more of that patented double-standard. Did we win a contest?

You do not answer my questions.  But do the above instead.  Have fun don't wave.

[Lover of Truth]

If you witness this man mixing "Kool-aid…"

Well-stated.  I believe this settles the issue.

[Mithrandylan]

Theology is a speculative science.  Yet this word-- "speculate"-- is used like a slur.  Those who use it so really haven't the faintest idea.  Theological speculation is when known facts (in the context, dogma and doctrine) are examined so as to reveal what suggestions or implications are included in them, or necessarily follow from them.  That's what this expression-- "speculative theology"-- means.  St. Thomas' negative proofs are an example of speculative theology.  He looked at certain known facts about what God isn't, and from there he arrived at certain conclusions about what God is.  There's nothing in any solemn definition that will tell you that God is perfectly simple, or that He is pure act, First Mover, etc. Here are some other examples of speculative theology: That Saint Joseph was only ever married to the Virgin Mary.  That Christ had no siblings.  That angels are not material in nature.  That guardian angels exist.  That original sin is passed through the seminal power from the man to his children.  That Limbo of the Infants is not a "third eternity," but a part of Hell bereft of any positive punishment, though separated from God forever.  That God's efficacious grace can be distinguished from his sufficient grace.  That all of the apostles are saints, despite none having ever been solemnly declared to be.  That predestination includes the elect but not the reprobate.  So on and so forth.  From God's perfect simplicity to all of these other teachings (just to name a few), those who insist that "all we have is dogma (which they understand as being inclusive of solemn definitions and scripture)" don't actually act as if this were the case except when it comes to the issue of Baptism/BoD.  They haven't the slightest clue that most of what is contained in the Deposit of Faith has never been solemnly defined.  

[Lover of Truth]

Theology is a speculative science.  Yet this word-- "speculate"-- is used like a slur.  Those who use it so really haven't the faintest idea.  Theological speculation is when known facts (in the context, dogma and doctrine) are examined so as to reveal what suggestions or implications are included in them, or necessarily follow from them.  That's what this expression-- "speculative theology"-- means.  St. Thomas' negative proofs are an example of speculative theology.  He looked at certain known facts about what God isn't, and from there he arrived at certain conclusions about what God is.  There's nothing in any solemn definition that will tell you that God is perfectly simple, or that He is pure act, First Mover, etc. Here are some other examples of speculative theology: That Saint Joseph was only ever married to the Virgin Mary.  That Christ had no siblings.  That angels are not material in nature.  That guardian angels exist.  That original sin is passed through the seminal power from the man to his children.  That Limbo of the Infants is not a "third eternity," but a part of Hell bereft of any positive punishment, though separated from God forever.  That God's efficacious grace can be distinguished from his sufficient grace.  That all of the apostles are saints, despite none having ever been solemnly declared to be.  That predestination includes the elect but not the reprobate.  So on and so forth.  From God's perfect simplicity to all of these other teachings (just to name a few), those who insist that "all we have is dogma (which they understand as being inclusive of solemn definitions and scripture)" don't actually act as if this were the case except when it comes to the issue of Baptism/BoD.  They haven't the slightest clue that most of what is contained in the Deposit of Faith has never been solemnly defined.  

Thank you for this excellent post from top to bottom!  This expresses what I wish I could have expressed but lack the ability to do.  This again can be understood by those of good will.  Your examples are excellent.  I remember when Fenten used the term "speculative" theology in regards to someone and came to understand just what you said.  Thanks again for this thoughtful (thought-filled) post.