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« on: January 11, 2017, 03:29:56 AM »
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  • Hi All,

    I was curious and wanted feedback from the forum rather or not you would attend mass at a indult latin mass that was approved by your local novus ordo diocese if that was all you had available to you?

    That is my situation right now. I have access to a traditional mass on Sunday and as far as I know the priest who says this mass is conservative novus ordo but not completely a traditionalist.

    If it wouldn't be acceptable to attend this mass, how would you fulfill your Sunday obligation?  

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    « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2017, 04:30:37 AM »
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  • Speaking only for myself, I would not attend the insult "mass". I cannot recommend attending the insult for any reason, even if that's all you have. The possible exception is if that is the only Mass ever celebrated in that Church. But if they celebrate the true Mass in the same place as they say the new "mass", then no, we should not attend.





     
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    « Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 06:43:39 AM »
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  • Of course one should never attend the indult Mass.  There are multiple problems:

    1.  Attendance necessarily indicates complete acceptance of the Novus Ordo and the entire Conciliar establishment.

    2.  Nearly all such services are said by men whose orders are invalid, so one does not actually "fulfill" any obligation.

    3.  The priests involved in such services are fully approved by the heretic bishop and his preaching will tend to (at least) subtly promote the Conciliar heresies.

    4.  Support of the diocesan indult will ultimately support the false Conciliar church.

    The obligation to attend a True Mass does not bind if one is not able to do so.  The precept of the Church is made to support the divine law of keeping the Lord's day holy.  If a true Mass offered by a true priest is not available, one is not obliged to do the impossible.  The recommendation I've heard from multiple priests is to say the 15 decade rosary and read the Mass propers for the Sunday Mass.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 11, 2017, 11:53:33 AM »
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  • Thank you for your replies. I have a sedevacantist chapel in my general area but it's further away and I would have to find someone who lives in my city who attends this chapel to carpool with as I don't have transportation .
     
    I read on the sedevacantist chapels website that in order to receive communion there you're not allowed attend the novus ordo mass or even traditional masses if they are indult or approved by the diocese . Is this a normal rule at sedevacantist chapels?

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    « Reply #4 on: January 11, 2017, 02:40:21 PM »
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  • Look ahead.  You are one of the faithful to which church?  If you die, who will say the Mass and do burial?  You need to make yourself one of the "faithful".

    For example:  If you attend a dioceses and then ask for a sedevacantist priest, he could say, "I don't know you, are you one of my faithful?"  "Why do you come to me now and not before?"


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    « Reply #5 on: January 11, 2017, 03:39:17 PM »
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  • I have attended with a friend in another diocese because that is all there is, however, I have never received communion there. I simply cannot go up in all good conscious. The parish is a shared parish with a very hostile NO community. I was not aware of an SSPX mission in my town when I transferred rites to become Eastern Catholic. Prior to that I was simply attending an Eastern Orthodox parish, surviving on the prayers, chanting and incense.


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    « Reply #6 on: January 12, 2017, 11:59:03 PM »
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  • I think you should not miss the opportunity to assist at Holy Mass. Remember who it is that makes Himself present. He doesn't do this just for His own glory. He does it because of His special love for you.
    St Teresa of Avila wrote about a priest who was living in open sin. She went to mass and received Holy Communion from the priest in question. Jesus appeared to her and said, "See how great my love is for you, I make myself present and pass through the hands of this man who is my enemy so that I can be with you."
    I am much less than this holy woman. I recommend that you don't allow anything to stand between the love that Jesus has for you.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 13, 2017, 04:45:47 AM »
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  • A priest who is a public sinner is one thing, celebrating the Holy Sacrifice of Calvary in the same spot the mockery of the Holy Sacrifice of Calvary is performed is something altogether different. You are not making the appropriate comparison.

    Whenever the celebration of the True Mass is conditional, that is, it is only allowed as a preference (as if we have a choice in the matter) and is celebrated in the same place in which it is openly mocked with the new "mass", then whatever your interior motives are, your presence dictates your support or at least your indifference of the crimes against Our Lord committed in that spot.

    It's like this poche, your father has been held prisoner in the enemy's camp where every day (twice on Sundays), they publicly punish him in front of a community of approving people for a crime he didn't commit. Every day they drag him into a lavish room only to whip, scourge and insult him without mercy until he is bloodied and insulted. But wait! Once a week, they drag him into the same lavish room and publicly hold the most honorable, most lavish feast humanly possible in his honor - because some people prefer that. Immediately afterwards, go back to whipping, scourging and insulting him as if that's the price he pays for the feast held in his honor.

    This poor analogy is the reality of the situation. We demonstrate our acknowledgement and abhorrence to the crimes committed there the only way we can -  by avoiding that place entirely.  

       


     
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    « Reply #8 on: January 13, 2017, 11:48:31 AM »
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  • Thanks for your replies,

    It is important to me that I attend a traditional mass where the priest and parishioners have the correct view on the crisis of liberalism and modernism in the church, especially if I'm going to go there regularly.

    My experiences with the indult are the priest and people are usually nice sweet people striving for holiness, but they get it very wrong when it comes to the crisis in the church and what  it root causes are. They are also filled with false obedience  

    I'm not trying to be overly critical and I would attend a indult mass once or twice to fulfill my Sunday obligation but to go there regularly would fill me with too many inner conflicts.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 13, 2017, 11:55:36 AM »
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  • I would say - never go to a novus ordo under any circumstances, even if it was the only mass available.  Only go to an indult if you have no other options within a 1-2 hr radius.  

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    « Reply #10 on: January 14, 2017, 11:43:37 PM »
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  • Repeating what TKGS said:

    1. Attendance necessarily indicates complete acceptance of the Novus Ordo and the entire Conciliar establishment.

    2. Nearly all such services are said by men whose orders are invalid, so one does not actually "fulfill" any obligation.

    3. The priests involved in such services are fully approved by the heretic bishop and his preaching will tend to (at least) subtly promote the Conciliar heresies.

    4. Support of the diocesan indult will ultimately support the false Conciliar church.

    And then:
     
    -- it should be added that the Indult is reprehensible also because it is said in a building already needing to be re-blessed because of the sacrilege the Novus Ordo causes in it.

    -- also, the "Blessed Sacrament" is compromised as the ciboriums can be mixed or confused from the Novus Ordo to the Indult usage or sharing of tabernacle and altar, and the "communions" can be therefore questionable.

    -- but first of all because Quo Primum only allows for the traditional Latin Mass. The Novus Ordo should not even exist - it needs a stake put through the heart of it. There is no need for an "Indult."  This indult is just a trick of the Modernists to break down the resistance of pure and true traditionalists.  Anyone going to an Indult is not really a Traditionalist.  Such a one is a compromiser. It is essential to the Modernist enemies of Christ that the Traditional resistance to what they are doing be broken - just listen to the hissings of Pope Francis towards Traditionalists!  The Indult is a trick to bring Trads into the Modernist fold.  In doing so it also softens the nasty things the "trads" might say about their modernists handlers -- you know, "They are now so nice to provide a Latin Mass for us.  They are getting orthodox - things are looking up!" Etc., Etc.  It's the 30 pieces of silver that Judas traded Our Lord for.  "Be ye wise as serpents...".  Really, one has to wonder about the lack of clarity or understanding of what this war in the Church is all about!  There is so often no sense of orthodoxy or carefulness to avoid sacrilege.    
    Council of Trent: Session VII Canon 2 - If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ: "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost" (Jn. 3:5), let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 22, 2017, 12:16:41 PM »
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  • Thanks for all your responses!

    I've decided to pray a novena that I will find transportation to attend this chapel. Where there's a will there's a way and there has to be someone who lives in my immediate area who I could carpool with.

    Any advice would be appreciated in going about this. Would calling the chapel directly and asking if there is anyone who lives in my city who I could catch a ride with be okay?

    Thanks

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    « Reply #12 on: January 25, 2017, 12:08:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: jhfromsf68
    Thanks for all your responses!

    I've decided to pray a novena that I will find transportation to attend this chapel. Where there's a will there's a way and there has to be someone who lives in my immediate area who I could carpool with.

    Any advice would be appreciated in going about this. Would calling the chapel directly and asking if there is anyone who lives in my city who I could catch a ride with be okay?

    Thanks


    I have seen announcements in the bulletin and I have heard the priest make announcements of this sort.

     

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