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Offline Alex117

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Fr. Nicholas Gruner
« on: February 05, 2013, 02:53:10 PM »
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  • I really don't know much about Fr. Gruner, except that he's a traditional priest of some sort and that he's very devoted to Our Lady of Fatima. Can you all tell me more about him? Should I listen to what he says? Is he a good traditional priest?

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    « Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 03:13:02 PM »
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  • Fr. Gruner is a very holy, mild-mannered, patient Catholic priest who has worked tirelessly to spread the Fatima warnings.  He is rather notable for not ending up letting his visibility go to his head,IMO.  

    He was way ahead of his time exposing important issues of the day in his old radio show.  I think his old radio interviews are still available to listen to for free at his apostolate's website, fatima.org



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    « Reply #2 on: February 05, 2013, 03:16:55 PM »
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  • Well, who could doubt a Fatima priest?

    There is one problem I have noticed with his apostolate.  Tell me if you agree?

    Around the Summer of 2009, Father Gruner attended the SSPX Winona ordinations.

    A friend of mine was there and overheard his conversation concerning the "Two Sister Lucys" conspiracy.  

    As you know, the whole thing is so pathetically "judeo-masonic".
    But, Our Lady of Fatima did warn us of the diabolical confusion we would be subjected to... didn't she?

    Father admitted of being aware of this story.  Whether he agreed with it, I do not know?  However, the physical evidence is overwhelming that a switch of the original Fatima Nun had been made.

    In any case, Father Gruner said in this conversation, that he did not want to bring-up the "Two Sister Lucys" in his publications.

    Why?   Because it would upset his Novus ordo contributors.

    So our Lord tells us, "... the Truth will set you free".

    But in Father Gruner's case, the truth will impact your donations.

    Personally, his apostolate is hugely important, but his logic is not right.


     
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 03:37:34 PM »
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  • Second criticism:

    I think his organization is infiltrated with people who want to damage his apostolate.

    Why do I say this?

    I've been on his mailing list for over ten years and used to be a monthly donor.

    During this time, I noticed "irregularities" in how I did and did not receive his publications and solicitations for donations.

    It was as if there are saboteurs within his group that was attempting to disrupt his operation.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 03:44:10 PM »
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  • I visited him in Canada and two assistants attended Novus Ordo regularly and even on Sundays. One told me over dinner that Fr. G gave conferences around the usa and was asked once, "What do we do about First Saturdays." The assistant told me that he tells the audiences to attend the Novus Ordo for their First Saturdays. I questioned him about that to receive the curt response and a motion of his hand , "Just leave that to the SSPX . . . that is not our battle."

        I had received a letter  which asked for donations as he had had to lay people off. So drove to the Fatima Center. During a lunch break at the large table outside, I remarked that it was a shame that he had to lay people off bc of problems with money. They all laughed  and said "That's not the reason . . .  we just ran out of work for them."

       I wanted to follow up with Fr. Kramer but left Canada and returned home.

       I was sickened over the whole matter.

              Tantum Aude!


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    « Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 03:45:49 PM »
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  • Fr. Gruner does a good job of promoting Fatima, he is to be commended for that.

    As far as his view on the two Sister Lucias, I don't think he believes there were two. I've seen him quote the "Sister Lucia" of the 1960s (and after that too, I think, though I may be mistaken).

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    « Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 03:48:17 PM »
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  • Third criticism:


    Father Gruner expressed intentions of attending both the SSPX-SO priest's Retreat and Family Conference in Boston, KY last December.

    In both cases, he said he was coming, but was a "no-show".  
    Of course, he had good excuses, something about trouble with making his transportation departures on time.

    Now let's see:
    Would photos of Fr. Gruner at these SSPX Resistance events upset Bp. Fellay?
    Of course.

    Would photos of Fr. Gruner with the SSPX Resistance upset his Novus ordo contributors?  Probably.

    So, where does Fr. Gruner land?
    Does he just float above this battle for the traditional Catholic Faith like an angel, sprinkling his Fatima publications on all of us?

    Or, does he stand up for the Truth and fight by our sides?

    We'll know who's side Father Gruner is on if he shows-up at the Winona ordinations this summer.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 03:50:42 PM »
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  • Will showing up make any money?


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    « Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 05:25:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: drivocek
    Will showing up make any money?


    I would have given him at least five bucks...
    when my wife wasn't looking!
       :thinking:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 07:06:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Second criticism:

    I think his organization is infiltrated with people who want to damage his apostolate.

    Why do I say this?

    I've been on his mailing list for over ten years and used to be a monthly donor.

    During this time, I noticed "irregularities" in how I did and did not receive his publications and solicitations for donations.

    It was as if there are saboteurs within his group that was attempting to disrupt his operation.


    I think seeing the hand of saboteurs in this is a bit grandiose.  It simply requires inept or overworked volunteers, or perhaps an overworked Father Gruner himself.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 07:25:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    Quote from: Incredulous
    Second criticism:

    I think his organization is infiltrated with people who want to damage his apostolate.

    Why do I say this?

    I've been on his mailing list for over ten years and used to be a monthly donor.

    During this time, I noticed "irregularities" in how I did and did not receive his publications and solicitations for donations.

    It was as if there are saboteurs within his group that was attempting to disrupt his operation.


    I think seeing the hand of saboteurs in this is a bit grandiose.  It simply requires inept or overworked volunteers, or perhaps an overworked Father Gruner himself.  


    Well, come on now. These "irregularities" went on for over ten years.

    For example, if I was one of your monthly financial supporters, do you think
    you'd send me the Fatima Crusader one in a while ?

    Never got one.

    Infiltration is a given.  Even Fr. Gruner admitted the warning of a satanic apparition on the day he started the apostolate. (Ref: Fatima priest)
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 08:14:32 PM »
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  • I recall us, as a family, watching his show on TV in the 80s where Fr. Gruner always repeating the message of praying that "the Holy Father would consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary". He seemed to repeat this mantra at least a dozen times every episode - not that that's a bad thing.

    Then something happened, I am not sure exactly what that was, but it seems a controversy arose because it became known that JP2 consecrated Russia - from that point on, Fr. Gruner's  mantra went from "the Holy Father needs consecrate Russia" to "the pope did the consecration improperly" to "the Holy Father needs consecrate Russia together with all the bishops" to "the Holy Father needs consecrate Russia together with all the bishops of the world together all at the exact same time" - in effect, seemingly at least, making the act of consecration all but impossible to be performed properly.

    I've not followed him for the last +20 years because of that - it could be that he found out the consecration was not properly done and also what was really necessary in order for it to be properly done, I don't know - but IMO, the whole thing seemed like - and still does to me - some kind of ploy to keep his Fatima organization alive. I also cannot help but wonder why one of the books he sells: "The Third Secret" was like as thick as a phone book - I mean, seems like the actual secret should only be a few paragraphs long.......a pamphlet should be able to tell the third secret and have a page or two for explanations - again, IMO.

    Now I understand there is another book relatively new they put out called "The Fourth Secret of Fatima" - whether Fr. Gruner is associated with it or not I don't know, but for me as one who stopped paying a lot of attention to him a long time ago because every time you turned around there was some new development from Fatima, I cannot help but think that there is plenty of money involved and therefore plenty of money to be lost should his Fatima network dry up and IMO, these regular new developments are one way to keep the money machine alive - if in fact that is what he is actually doing.    

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    « Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 08:26:59 PM »
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  • John Paul II didn't even mention Russia; he only consecrated the world, only mentioning Russia as still needing to be consecrated according to Our Lady's requests.
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    « Reply #13 on: February 06, 2013, 12:35:35 AM »
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  • From the sound of what you all are saying, Fr. Gruner seems very commited to Fatima, but he's undecided on his stance on the crisis in the Church. What an odd fellow.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 12:43:14 PM »
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  • No, Alex.  Fr. Gruner is not an odd fellow. He is a gentle fellow. He is a very good Catholic priest, and I am sorry you listened to people trying to sully his good name.

     

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