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Offline sspxbvm

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« on: September 19, 2012, 06:53:05 PM »
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  •   This topic will probably set us at odds with those we normally have no debate with but since at the moment the forums are a little slow (no sspx news last few days) thought this would be the best time to post this.

      The "apparition" of Garabandal has bothered me since I watched a video on it almost 20 years ago. Although I will admit I am not educated on every detail of the supposed apparition but a few important details are very bothersome.

      The most disturbing is the whole backward thing. How the children walked and even ran backward while receiving "communion" on the tongue. It probably would never have caught my attention except for a dream of St. John Bosco where he sees an elephant with its back toward the sanctuary. It was the devil doing things backward and since that time when I read that I have learned more of how the devil does things backwards. He'll even accuse persons of doing what they are not or of not doing what in reality they have done. We have seen this in our daily lives when we associate with certain persons who are, unfortunately, maliciously mischievous. Even the anti-christ will be a work of backwardness. Of evil instead of virtue of the devil instead of Christ.

      Why would our Lady have the children running backwards? What did that accomplish? Surely she knows that works of backwardness are associated with the devils?

      The next disturbing feature of the "apparitions" has to do with the entire package of messages. From what I have ever seen (surely I haven't full knowledge of every "message") the messages are all in line with La Salette, Fatima, Quito and even Akita, Japan. But then comes the most troublesome and even frightening contrivance. Those who are to believe that Our Lady appeared in Garabandal are also to believe that before the "great chastisement" there will be a cross that appears in the sky for certain persons to see for 3 hours but also it is said all people in the world will "feel" a certain contrition for having offeneded God. Some will convert. Others wont. Excuse me, but didn't God give us all a conscience that we possess at all times? Yes, some people in mortal sin have buried their conscience but is God going to pour out so much grace so as to practically force sinners to convert? Is this generation of people so special to receive what other generations (in general) did not?

      Tie these points together and what do you get? You get a signature mark of Satan (the backwardness) mixed with all the good messages of Our Lady with an attached condition that God has supposedly put on Himself to warn people before He chastises. So you get the devoted Garabandal believer telling people essentially not to worry....God will give a sign and some time for you to convert. Sounds like a novus ordo trap set up for the devils to drag souls to hell.

      So what is everybody elses opinion? Correct me if I am wrong on any point. I am always open to correction but will go looking for verification. Add important details I may have missed.  I am not 100% deadset against Garabandal but I do lean very strongly in the way just displayed.

      God speed.

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    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2012, 07:04:47 PM »
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  • The message in June 1965 in which must be refering to the on going
    Vatican 2 Council . To paraphrase that many Priests, Bishops, and
    Cardinals are on their way to perdition, and taking many souls
    with them.
    This message decribed Vatican 2 and its aftermath. That
    vatican 2 was them and is now a disaster for the church.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 12:34:49 AM »
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  • Garabandal is pure bunk.

    The local ordinaries have repeatedly condemned it.

    E. Michael Jones, years ago, interviewed one of the fake "visionaries" and she told him she wasn't sure any of it ever even happened since she had a hard time remembering what did happen.

    Compare that comment, from the horses mouth, with St. Bernadette or Sister Lucia of Fatima, or her beatified cousins.

    This kind of frenetic idiocy, like Medj, Inc., just gives Catholicism a bad name and makes good ( but VERY gullible ) folks look intergalcatically dumb.

    Which is, of course, what it intends....

    Finally, any number of fake visits from the Great Beyond seem stuck in the same groove about some fantastic "sign" that will stop traffic, shut down stock exchanges, cure halitosis, reverse the course of rivers and make elephants fly as sinners are given one last chance to get their act together.

    Even Rod Serling couln't have made up a more looney scenario.  It is utterly un-Catholic.  God's grace is sufficient unto salvation and He denies no sinner access to His Truth, for even an instant, upon an act of authentic contrition.  And He gives EVERYONE His True Sign - His Son - every day in the Holy Sacrifice.  He is there for everyone in the world.

    But then, what percentage of Catholics even bother with THAT Sign, anymore?

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    « Reply #3 on: September 20, 2012, 06:09:22 AM »
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  • The proof of the truth of a prophecy comes in its fulfilment.  

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    « Reply #4 on: September 20, 2012, 08:10:50 AM »
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  • All of these types of apparitions are perplexing. We read about Garabandal in grade school, and I remember the video of the eucharist appearing on the tongue of the child, Some saw an angel putting it there.  I remember them saying the children were going backwards to keep their eye on the blessed Mother.  I always wonder what type of witness I sould have been to John the Baptist or our Lord--would I have believed, required more proof like Thomas?  Don't know, but it is a good question SSPXBVM
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    « Reply #5 on: September 20, 2012, 09:36:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Anthony Benedict
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    The local ordinaries have repeatedly condemned it.?


    actually, no, no one condemned it at all, but nor ddi they approve it and recent interviews and signs from the bishop now leaning toward the visions......to repeat, no oridnary, esp w/jurisdiction, condemned..
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    « Reply #6 on: September 20, 2012, 09:38:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: Anthony Benedict
    Garabandal is pure bunk.

    The local ordinaries have repeatedly condemned it.

    E. Michael Jones, years ago, interviewed one of the fake "visionaries" and she told him she wasn't sure any of it ever even happened since she had a hard time remembering what did happen.

    Compare that comment, from the horses mouth, with St. Bernadette or Sister Lucia of Fatima, or her beatified cousins.

    This kind of frenetic idiocy, like Medj, Inc., just gives Catholicism a bad name and makes good ( but VERY gullible ) folks look intergalcatically dumb.

    Which is, of course, what it intends....

    Finally, any number of fake visits from the Great Beyond seem stuck in the same groove about some fantastic "sign" that will stop traffic, shut down stock exchanges, cure halitosis, reverse the course of rivers and make elephants fly as sinners are given one last chance to get their act together.

    Even Rod Serling couln't have made up a more looney scenario.  It is utterly un-Catholic.  God's grace is sufficient unto salvation and He denies no sinner access to His Truth, for even an instant, upon an act of authentic contrition.  And He gives EVERYONE His True Sign - His Son - every day in the Holy Sacrifice.  He is there for everyone in the world.

    But then, what percentage of Catholics even bother with THAT Sign, anymore?


    your rant is lumping several dis-similar things together, your Rod Serling comment is uncharitable and if "God's grace is sufficient unto salvation and He denies no sinner access to His Truth, for even an instant, upon an act of authentic contrition.  And He gives EVERYONE His True Sign - His Son - every day in the Holy Sacrifice.  He is there for everyone in the world.".then we should disregard Fatima and Lourdes, too, and Thorn here does disregard Fatima,so, there ya go....
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    « Reply #7 on: September 20, 2012, 09:39:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    The proof of the truth of a prophecy comes in its fulfilment.  


    true and no contradictory evidence was presented. I have heard the "we dont remember it all and it seems like a dream" comments, but she later retracted this and there was some noted discrepancy in the translations.......she meant "it all is so amazing, it was like a dream" not "not sure, likely a dream"
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    « Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 10:45:35 AM »
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  • I also do not believe in the authenticity of Garabandal, it all seems too sensational.   To the best of my knowledge the BVM has never had people running around backwards or even forwards for that matter, they were all conducted in a reverent manner.  Did she ever call other visionaries to chase after her?  I know that an angel led St. Catherine to the chapel to see the BVM but she certainly didn't go tearing down the hallways backwards to get there!


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    « Reply #9 on: September 20, 2012, 03:39:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    I also do not believe in the authenticity of Garabandal, it all seems too sensational.   To the best of my knowledge the BVM has never had people running around backwards or even forwards for that matter, they were all conducted in a reverent manner.  Did she ever call other visionaries to chase after her?  I know that an angel led St. Catherine to the chapel to see the BVM but she certainly didn't go tearing down the hallways backwards to get there!


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    Yes. Very good points. I in fact forgot to bring up the sensationalism of it all.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 20, 2012, 04:02:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    The proof of the truth of a prophecy comes in its fulfilment.  


      Yes. Most correct. However, the difficulty lies in the fact the Devil knows something is up. He knows God will punish the world (chastise) and it will come suddenly (so says St. Padre Pio). The message of Garabandal is one that encourages a certain spiritual sloth.... dont worry, God will warn us ahead of time.

      Besides, in the aftermath of the Chastisement will it really matter if there was a cross in the sky and we felt special feelings of being sorry?  What matters is how we live our lives in the here and now. Are we in the state of grace.

     


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    « Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 10:52:58 PM »
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    « Reply #12 on: September 23, 2012, 12:13:43 PM »
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  • Joey Lamingino was told explicitly by Padre Pio that Garabandal was authentic, as you can see here: .
    Donal Enright, the man interviewed here: , was also told that by Padre Pio: . So really if you believe in Padre Pio then you must believe in Garabandal I'd say.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 23, 2012, 02:37:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: scolairebocht
    Joey Lamingino was told explicitly by Padre Pio that Garabandal was authentic, as you can see here: .
    Donal Enright, the man interviewed here: , was also told that by Padre Pio: . So really if you believe in Padre Pio then you must believe in Garabandal I'd say.


    St. Padre Pio did not have the luxury of what we have today. The many videos to review and the "messages" to study. In the end it would be an opinion of Padre Pio. It is said that Saint THomas Aquinas didn't have a belief in the Immaculate Conception as it is believed today as dogma. Point being saints are humans and can and will make mistakes. From what little I know I believe Padre Pio never did visit Garabandal. If he had he would surely have been shocked.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 23, 2012, 02:53:41 PM »
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  • WIth a little bit of patience with this video you can see how they deceived Padre Pio in his old age to say the True Mass while facing the people. Much the same deception could very well have been going on regarding Garabandal.

      BTW this video is one day before his death:  

     

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