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Eucharistic Miracle in Poland
« on: October 03, 2011, 11:53:48 AM »
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  • Eucharistic Miracle in Poland: Confirmed by Doctors
    Edit: remember the possibly miraculous Host which was put in a ciborium as is customary and wouldn't dissolve but actually developed red specks on it that look like blood?   The possible miracle being referred to was at St. Augustine's Parish [Soon to be dissolved by the Archdiocese] in South St. Paul Minnesota.  As of yet there is still no report back, but in the case of this Polish Host, two Doctors have determined that the specks were actually heart tissue.  This event occured back in 2008.  Here's the story:

    Roman Catholics in Poland gathered Sunday for a special Mass celebrating what they see as a miracle: the appearance on a communion wafer of a dark spot that they are convinced is part of the heart of Jesus.

    The communion wafer [It's a Consecrated Host] in question developed a brown spot in 2008 after falling on the floor during a Mass in the eastern Polish town of Sokolka. Two medical doctors determined that the spot was heart muscle tissue, church officials have said.
     

    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2011/10/euchastic-miracle-in-poland-confirmed.html

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    « Reply #1 on: October 03, 2011, 12:00:29 PM »
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  • Great news, thank you Augustine.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 12:51:08 PM »
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  • But was it the Sacred Host, confected by a traditional Priest in the traditional Roman Rite of the Mass, or was it a Novus Ordo wafer that is questionable (at BEST) in its validity?

    For someone to say "it was a consecrated host" means nothing in the world of today's Newchurch. There was a time when "consecrated Host" meant that every Catholic everywhere could believe and confess unswervingly and unerringly that It was the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, but not these days.

    Anyone have any more info on who performed the rite and what its status was?
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    « Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 02:42:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stephen Francis
    But was it the Sacred Host, confected by a traditional Priest in the traditional Roman Rite of the Mass, or was it a Novus Ordo wafer that is questionable (at BEST) in its validity?

    For someone to say "it was a consecrated host" means nothing in the world of today's Newchurch. There was a time when "consecrated Host" meant that every Catholic everywhere could believe and confess unswervingly and unerringly that It was the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, but not these days.

    Anyone have any more info on who performed the rite and what its status was?


    So, if it's the new Mass, which I assure you it is, then you don't believe the veracity of the miracle?

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    « Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 09:34:20 PM »
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  • @Augustine Baker:

    If it's the New 'Mess', I don't even bother with whether it's authentic or not. This sort of thing falls under 'private revelation' unless Holy Church declares the miracle to be authentic and worthy of belief, and even then, it remains a matter of a person's own choice to adopt a devotion to said miracle.

    The nice thing about it is that I KNOW that Holy Mother Church is NOT going to authenticate this as a miracle, because it happened under the auspices of the Novus Ordo, which is staffed by heretics who oversee invalid priests who perform syncretistic, powerless 'services' at 'memorial meals', not traditional Catholic Masses.

    I wouldn't trust a Novus Ordo 'ordination' to empower a man to bake cookies according to the recipe on the tube of dough, never mind to empower a man to actually do what Christ's priests do!

    NOTE: I did not say that there are not NICE, even reverent people serving the Novus Ordo; there may very well be people who are as conservative and reverent as one can possibly be under those conditions. What I SAID, note this carefully, is that I don't believe in the power of their rite of 'ordination' any more than I believe in the Protestant heretical sects whose liturgies inform the Novus Ordo from top to bottom.

    All that said, I don't care WHAT the Novus Ordo sees or doesn't see as a miracle. I know what Holy Church has declared worthy of belief, and I don't need to overlook decades of heresy, scandal, moral filth and religious indifferentism to appreciate Her and Her truths.

    Our Lady of FATIMA (THERE'S a devotion for you!), pray for us.

    St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

    St. Clare of Assisi, lover of Christ in the Eucharist, pray for us.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    « Reply #5 on: October 04, 2011, 10:51:07 AM »
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  • Ok, well, this is the old mulberry bush we go around where I ask you how you can decide whether or not these people are Catholic or not, and so on.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 04, 2011, 11:13:15 AM »
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  • I did not judge whether those people are Catholic or not; asking me how I know that is pointless.

    What I DID say was that the Newchurch 'service' is invalid and not a true Mass, ergo, the wafer they are adoring, whatever may or may not have happened to it, is NOT a consecrated Host.

    Are there validly-baptized Catholics in the Novus 'services'? Of course there are.

    Are they in error, perhaps even to the degree of mortal sin? Indeed.

    Are there validly-ordained priests and bishops in the Novus organization? I am sure there are; surely at least a FEW priests and bishops are still living who were ordained validly. I cannot speak to the merit of the CHOICES they are making to align themselves with Newrome, but even in cases of grave mortal sin, they are at least still Catholics if they have not given themselves over to heresy like Wojtyla and Ratzinger.

    Are said priests and prelates in error? Again, undoubtedly.

    With all that said, you need to know that good intentions are NOT the thing which validates or invalidates a Rite, no matter how traditionally-ordained anyone involved may be.

    The Newchurch 'service' is invalid because of defect of FORM (invariably, because the words of consecration have been altered and/or removed), MATTER (sometimes, if not often: Newchurch presiders have even used DORITOS chips and COLA as matter!) and INTENT (the Newchurch 'service' is NOT a propitiatory Sacrifice, neither is it offered by a priest in persona Christi; it is a 'memorial meal' offered by a 'presider' in conjunction with the people present. It is, in short, basically a Lutheran/Masonic hybrid, and NOT a true Mass.

    Whatever has happened in Poland is doubtful for many reasons, not the least of which is the proximity of this event to the next ecumenical travesty at Assisi (Dear St. Francis, for love of Christ, forgive these fools who are dishonoring Christ and His Church in your hometown!). I believe that the Newchurch bosses will be more than glad to use this 'miracle' to attempt to legitimize their existence and their false teachings. I am sure Ratzinger and his fellow heretics would love nothing more than a religious-themed smokescreen to hide their crimes behind.

    Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.

    St. Francis of Assisi, lover of the poor Christ, pray for us.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

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    « Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 11:21:13 AM »
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  • What happened in Poland is doubtful because you've ruled on your own that the Masses said there are invalid.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 04, 2011, 11:50:24 AM »
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  • This could be just God's way of giving these people a clue and saying that He is literally there in the flesh (or at least He's supposed to be).

    I'm sure there are some people in that church who are or have been doing some reflecting.
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    « Reply #9 on: October 04, 2011, 02:35:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catholic Samurai

    This could be just God's way of giving these people a clue and saying that He is literally there in the flesh (or at least He's supposed to be).

    I'm sure there are some people in that church who are or have been doing some reflecting.


    Perhaps the crowds of pilgrims coming are reflecting on the real presence as well?

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    « Reply #10 on: October 04, 2011, 04:33:52 PM »
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  • @Augustine Baker:

    If you think I've 'ruled on my own', then you haven't done much reading. One of the Prot ministers who drew up the Bogus Ordo service even recanted and said it was dead wrong. Hundreds of articles have been written which have demonstrated far more exactly and eloquently than I ever could that the Novus Ordo service is NOT a valid Mass.

    I did NOT 'rule on my own'... I KNOW what the Mass is, I know what the Bogus service is, and I don't confuse the two.

    Again, Holy Church may one day declare that a miracle took place, but it sure won't be a Eucharistic miracle... one would need the Eucharist for that, not a wafer of ordinary bread.

    Are there people meditating on the Mystery of the Eucharist because of this? Sure. Are they all now magically OK with God because they might occasionally think right thoughts about what His Church has taught? Not hardly.

    Once again, I think I will just stick with the tried, true dogmatic declarations that my Church and her Popes have given me to understand and believe. I don't need the heretics' help.
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    « Reply #11 on: October 04, 2011, 05:59:34 PM »
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  • You read some books and decided you knew best and most about all things.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 04, 2011, 07:55:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Augustine Baker
    You read some books and decided you knew best and most about all things.


    Would you please tell me how ANYTHING I have posted since beginning here would lead you to believe that I claim to know 'best' OR 'most' about ANYTHING, let alone ALL things?

    So far, you haven't offered a single shred of evidence for the validity of your Novus 'service', let alone for the validity of this so-called 'miracle'.

    Would you please explain, using actual, verifiable proofs, how you can equate the Novus Ordo 'memorial meal' with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, which is a PROPITIATORY SACRIFICE?

    Here's a hint: you can't, because the FORM has been declared UNALTERABLE by Holy Church, and yet, Bugnini and his Protestant henchmen went and attempted to CHANGE the words of the Canon and the Consecration to something that DOES NOT EVEN IMPLY, LET ALONE ACTUALLY DECLARE, that there is a SACRIFICE, and that what is happening IS THE MISTERIUM FIDEI, not the little 'sing-along' bit about Christ dying, rising and returning.

    Read some books? Friend, I was RAISED Protestant. I have more knowledge of how totally un-Catholic your Novus services are than you can possibly imagine. Unlike you, who sat around waiting to be told what to believe by whoever just happened to be behind that picnic table, I watched not a 'collapse' of anything, but a gradual, intentional and mutinous usurpation of the authority of the Church by men who meant to destroy Her... I KNOW this to be true, because they are echoing the WORDS, the ACTIONS, the THEOLOGIES and the RUBRICS of Protestant/Masonic heretics who have PUBLICLY insisted that the Catholic Church MUST be destroyed.

    Bugnini, Ratzinger and the rest have all just been singing a song I was raised to sing all my life.

    Now, what is it that's going to prove otherwise? Nothing. Only a return to Tradition and the eradication of the heretical New Order will bring about the 'miracles' you are so desperate to believe in.

    Why don't you try humbling yourself before what's been DEFINED and promulgated as DE FIDE before you go chasing after unsubstantiated 'miracles'?

    You need to learn your Church's teachings before you go getting all swoony at the first sign of some dubious 'signs'.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 05, 2011, 03:39:50 AM »
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  • On the contrary, many traditional Catholic studies have found the Ordinary Form to be valid, even in the present poorly translated version.

    The sacrificial aspect of the Holy Mass is neither diminished nor denied.

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    Father, calling to mind the death your Son endured for our salvation, his glorious resurrection and ascension into heaven, and ready to greet him when he comes again, we offer you in thanksgiving this holy and living sacrifice.

    Look with favor on your Church's offering, and see the Victim whose death has reconciled us to yourself. Grant that we, who are nourished by his body and blood, may be filled with his Holy Spirit, and become one body, one spirit in Christ.


    etc

    All this is from the current translation. But I find that the New translations are slightly closer to the beauty and life of the Extraordinary Form.

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    The Priest, with hands extended, says:

    To you, therefore, most merciful Father,
    we make humble prayer and petition
    through Jesus Christ, your Son, our Lord:


    He joins his hands and says

    that you accept

    He makes the Sign of the Cross once over the bread and chalice together, saying:

    and bless these gifts, these offerings,
    these holy and unblemished sacrifices,


    and

    Therefore, O Lord,
    as we celebrate the memorial of the blessed Passion,
    the Resurrection from the dead,
    and the glorious Ascension into heaven
    of Christ, your Son, our Lord,
    we, your servants and your holy people,
    offer to your glorious majesty
    from the gifts that you have given us,
    this pure victim,
    this holy victim,
    this spotless victim,
    the holy Bread of eternal life
    and the Chalice of everlasting salvation.


    http://old.usccb.org/romanmissal/order-of-mass.pdf
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    « Reply #14 on: October 05, 2011, 04:37:30 AM »
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  • By the way, a miraculous host is no longer a sacramental host. If a transubstantiation was confected, it ceased with the appearance of human tissue.
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