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« on: February 28, 2014, 05:33:25 AM »
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  • Hello, we live in Southern California , Orange County, CA
    my wife signed up for Adult Confirmation Class at near by church ( Diocese church )
    and we have been taking about 4 weeks of this class now.

    here is the problem we have.

    Adult Confirmation Class is taught by Lay Person, not priest.
    and he teach very liberal Catholicism.  such as, Gay is OK, everybody go to Heaven, using Father Barron's video.  

    he also use that Pope said "who are there to judge Gay" as that he suggest now Catholic church tech homosexual are no longer sin, so on.

    he says this at end of every class we had.

    it is painful to listen to Father Barron's talk on Video, and as much painful to listen to Adult confirmation lay teacher's very liberal opinion.  

    his class is questions and answer session, often we answer that apply to Latin Mass, but not Novus Ordo mass.

    such as what is the first reading ? "Epistle ?"  "What is That ?"  
    "what priest wear under vest during mass ?", "Alb" "No"  I did not know Novus ordo priest do not wear Alb.

    so on.  and we often answer wrong because of our unfamiliarity with Novus Ordo Mass. and tradition.

    my wife say , our teacher is start to get irritated with us.

    we are not sure, if we should continue to attend this adult confirmation class or not at this point.

    do you all have any suggestion.

    we usually attend Latin Mass offered by Diocese in Orange County, CA
    but, we are possibly thinking about get confirmation from SSPX, but nearest SSPX church is in Alahambra, more than 1 hour away.



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    « Reply #1 on: February 28, 2014, 05:54:04 AM »
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  • I went through this too, and what I would do is seek a Traditional Priest (FSSP, SSPX, etc) so that you can just meet with them once a week or so. He should catechize you one on one and after a period of time will bring you into the church. My RCIA class Priest and cetechist were good, but then again they are the most traditional Novus Ordo that I have ever seen.

    There are some RCIA programs that are good, bu most are probably bad. I would go to the FSSP and SSPX websites and look for places to attend Mass.

    Pray to Our Lady to help guide you into the Church Her way! If you have the means to travel an hour away if you have to, it will be worth it. You might even find that the Traditional Latin Mass is said very close to you!

    I'll pray for you and hope that you are led to a Traditional Priest who will help you and your family. God bless you.
    St. Joseph the Worker, pray for us!


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    « Reply #2 on: February 28, 2014, 06:41:31 AM »
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    IMHO you're wasting your time at this NovusOrdo confirmation class.

    (I am very familiar with what has been going on in Southern California since Vat.II, with Roger Cardinal Mahony and Bishop Tod Brown, etc.  How Mahony snuck through without a conviction for any of his manifest crimes can only be explained by demonic influence.  He was a close corroborator with Joseph Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago, who was the principal promoter of the sin of Sodom in the American Catholic Church.)  

    The only thing you could possibly hope to accomplish there is to find out what errors they are promoting now (as opposed to the plethora of errors they have been promoting in the past 40 years).  

    You are NOT going to learn about the Catholic faith there AT ALL.  So forget that.  

    Another thing you might be trying to do is to evangelize the instructor or the other students - the latter of which may sometimes be interested in the truth, but not usually.  It sounds like your instructor is too far gone for any hope of being interested in what you have to offer.  

    Your going to the Indult usually is another part of the problem.  The Mass might be okay, but the sermons are going to be useless.  You might as well take a nap during Indultery sermons.  

    Since you're in Orange County, you ought to know about Our Lady Help of Christians in Garden Grove.  It's on Bixby Ave., near Brookhurst and Chapman Ave.  Msgr. Patrick Perez and several assistants have the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass there just as it was everywhere in the world from Apostolic times through the Age of Faith, Pope St. Pius V, Pope St. Pius X, and through WWII and even the Korean War.  Things started to change in 1955.  

    There are none of the post-1954 changes to be found at OLHC, but you'll find a lot of the changes in your Indultery Mass.

    I'm saying "Indultery" instead of "Indult" because it is a matter of FIDELITY.  A husband or a wife who is FAITHFUL to their marriage vows doesn't fool around with someone else to whom they're not married, because if they do, it's the serious sin of adultery, which is infidelity.  Every Indult diocese Mass on planet earth presumes from the start that the Newmass of Paul VI is the ORDINARY Roman Rite, and that's a lie.  It is unfaithfulness to the Apostolic Faith that has been handed down to us from antiquity, and we are supposed to know better.  Rome is in apostasy and it is up to the few who are paying attention to not forget the truth, before it's too late.  If you keep going to the Indultery Mass you'll forget the truth.  


    As for confirmations, the SSPX is having them in Arcadia this year, on May 25th, and Msgr. has announced that you need to register for that at OLHC if you want to be confirmed as a parishioner of OLHC.  You don't have to travel to Santa Anita Race Track area for your classes.  A group from OLHC will be going to Arcadia for confirmation in May, and it's only one trip for one event.  You can probably carpool with someone if you ask in advance.  All you have to do is go to Garden Grove.  And you really ought to be going there for Mass, anyway.  The sermons are excellent, and the people are very friendly.  There are lots of social events, daily Mass, Stations during Lent, special classes on Moral Theology and the Great Councils of the Church, etc.  The regular parishioners have numerous contacts with Catholics all over the world, in every continent on the planet.  If you have a family member in New Delhi or Frankfurt or Brisbane or Lima or Bohol, chances are they know someone who is a friend of one of the OLHC parishioners.  They are the little flock of Fr. Frederick Schell (R.I.P.), who passed away in A.D. 2002, 12 years ago.  He was a great priest, and he left a fine legacy.



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    « Reply #3 on: February 28, 2014, 06:45:00 AM »
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  • Contact a Catholic Church:

    Fontana
    Our Lady of Lourdes Chapel
     Fr. Gerard McKee, CMRI
     Web site:  http://www.ourladyoflourdescmri.blogspot.com/
     16010 Boyle St.
     Fontana, CA 92337
     Sunday Mass: 1:30 p.m.
     Call (909) 829-0997 or (909) 841-8052

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    Los Angeles
    Queen of Angels Church
     Fr. Dominic Radecki (RevDominicRgmail.com)
     Web site: http://www.queenofangelscatholicchurch.org
     24244 Newhall Ave.
     Santa Clarita, CA 91321
     Phone:(661) 255-9849
     Rectory: (661) 269-4943
     Cell: (661) 618-0075
     Sunday Masses: 8:00 a.m., 11:00 a.m., 5:00 p.m.

    These chapels are close to Orange County according the MapQuest.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 28, 2014, 07:00:05 AM »
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    As of 30 years ago, confirmation classes in Los Angeles and later Orange County were transformed into social service organization activities, whereby the students logged time doing charity work for the community as if they were in the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts (both of which are now infested with Sodomites and Liberals).  

    Anyone attending those NovusOrdo confirmation classes only heard about being nice to people, sharing love, suspending judgment, using inclusive language, respecting other religions, recycling, caring for the environment, and being nice to 'gays'.  They were told that you only have to think about being Catholic while you're inside the walls of the church, so when you leave church and go back into the world, you go back into your own erstwhile worldliness, you return to your formal ways, and you can forget all about what you were thinking about reading the Gospel, for example.  

    But the Gospel probably had most of the good stuff removed anyway.  That was one of the many "accomplishments" of Mahony.

    If you were to explain to the confirmation instructor that it has always been the teaching of Holy Mother Church that we share our faith with our neighbors, and let our light shine like a candle on a lampstand and not like one put under a bushel basket, would he (or she) know what you're talking about?  

    In Scripture where it says "the first shall be last and the last shall be first," Mahony took that to mean that at Communion, the people in the back of the Church come forward to receive first, and so it proceeds, until the last to receive are those who sit in the front pews.  I'm not making this up.  

    Whoever came up with "Truth is stranger than fiction," must have known Mahony.  


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    « Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 07:01:36 AM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    The church where you're going isn't One, Holy, Roman, Catholic.  Better to study alone and pray than stay.  
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 07:13:56 AM »
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    Fontana
    Our Lady of Lourdes Chapel
     Fr. Gerard McKee, CMRI
     Web site:  http://www.ourladyoflourdescmri.blogspot.com/
     16010 Boyle St.
     Fontana, CA 92337
     Sunday Mass: 1:30 p.m.
     Call (909) 829-0997 or (909) 841-8052



    I know Vince and Pat Balderrama very well.  She's very nice.  I'll tell her "hi" from you.  

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    Los Angeles


    Actually, that's Santa Clarita ("Newhall" properly speaking), north of the San Fernando Valley, which is north of Los Angeles proper.  Q of A is about 50 miles north of downtown Los Angeles, and 10 miles outside the city limits.  Orange County is closer than Santa Clarita.

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    Queen of Angels Church
     Fr. Dominic Radecki (RevDominicRgmail.com)
     Web site: http://www.queenofangelscatholicchurch.org
     24244 Newhall Ave.
     Santa Clarita, CA 91321
     Phone:(661) 255-9849
     Rectory: (661) 269-4943
     Cell: (661) 618-0075
     Sunday Masses: 8:00 a.m., 11:00 a.m., 5:00 p.m.


    I know Fr. Dominic very well.  He's very nice, too.  

    Agnes Roma would be much more at home at OLHC, IMHO.  

    Agnes Roma is concerned with traveling to Arcadia.  
    Why would he want to go twice as far to Fontana or Santa Clarita????????

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    « Reply #7 on: February 28, 2014, 07:56:44 AM »
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    Clarification:


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    my wife say , our teacher is start to get irritated with us.

    we are not sure, if we should continue to attend this adult confirmation class or not at this point.

    do you all have any suggestion.

    we usually attend Latin Mass offered by Diocese in Orange County, CA
    but, we are possibly thinking about get confirmation from SSPX, but nearest SSPX church is in Alahambra, more than 1 hour away.



    He says "nearest SSPX church is in Alahambra, more than 1 hour away."  

    First of all, Alhambra (not Alahambra) is a city east of L.A. where it's the location of an Indult Mass with nice music and High Mass every week, but it's not the SSPX.  SSPX has no chapel in the city of Alhambra.  The only SSPX chapel within 30 miles of Alhambra is in the city of Arcadia, Our Lady of the Angels Catholic Church (not to be confused with Mahony's Our Lady of the Angels so-called cathedral, in downtown L.A.).  Arcadia is another city in the greater Los Angeles area, located between the city of Pasadena and the city of San Gabriel (where there is a California Mission, built by Fray Junipero Serra*).  

    Second of all,  Alhambra isn't "more than 1 hour away" from any part of Orange County, unless you're on a bicycle or taking public transportation.  

    Perhaps AgnesRoma uses the city bus to get around, and if so, going to OLHC in Garden Grove would be the perfect solution for Mass and Confirmation and everything else, to boot.



    *Why Fr. Serra is not a canonized saint, when the likes of Fr. Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer (Opus Dei founder), or Sister Faustina Kowalska are, and John XXIII and JPII are about to be, is an insult to the truth.  Fr. Serra walked the length of California's coast several times, on foot, and he was halfway crippled.  He made thousands of converts.  Due to his virtue and fortitude and benevolence and apostolic spirit, California had the Mass before it had the Gold Rush, and more missions than the Church had had ecumenical councils.  There have been many miracles attributed to Fr. Serra, so that's not the hold-up.  He spoke Spanish, so it's not a cultural obstacle.  It must have something to do with politics.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 28, 2014, 08:34:37 AM »
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    As of 30 years ago, confirmation classes in Los Angeles and later Orange County were transformed into social service organization activities, whereby the students logged time doing charity work for the community as if they were in the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts (both of which are now infested with Sodomites and Liberals).  


    The Archdiocese of Indianapolis also has a "community service" requirement to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation.  In the few months prior to the biennial Confirmation service (last time it was at Lucas Oil Stadium where the Indianapolis Colts play football) the state-wide homeschool email group has a large number of posts with the subject:  "Community Service Opportunity" and members are posting numerous opportunities for the high school students who are working towards Confirmation to log in "charity" (i.e., Community Service) hours for a variety of "social service organizations".

    While I do not object to asking people to volunteer for many of these organizations (of course, I do object to those that promote immoral behavior), the requirement that individuals log in a certain number of Community Service hours in order to be Confirmed smacks of Simony, especially in view of the fact that the Archdiocese and the parishes actually promote "Community Services" for their activities.

    Furthermore, it actually decreases the real spirit of "service" making it merely a cost of getting something desired rather than a true self-giving.  Teaching the confirmands the need for sacrifice and self-giving is one thing, making it a requirement to be Confirmed is something else entirely.

    But, Neil Obstat, that is what the Conciliar church is.  It is merely another social service institution.  And even it says that it is only one of many such institutions that are good to be involved with.

    It's not just a problem in Los Angeles.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 28, 2014, 09:08:21 AM »
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    As of 30 years ago, confirmation classes in Los Angeles and later Orange County were transformed into social service organization activities, whereby the students logged time doing charity work for the community as if they were in the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts (both of which are now infested with Sodomites and Liberals).  


    The Archdiocese of Indianapolis also has a "community service" requirement to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation.  In the few months prior to the biennial Confirmation service (last time it was at Lucas Oil Stadium where the Indianapolis Colts play football) the state-wide homeschool email group has a large number of posts with the subject:  "Community Service Opportunity" and members are posting numerous opportunities for the high school students who are working towards Confirmation to log in "charity" (i.e., Community Service) hours for a variety of "social service organizations".

    While I do not object to asking people to volunteer for many of these organizations (of course, I do object to those that promote immoral behavior), the requirement that individuals log in a certain number of Community Service hours in order to be Confirmed smacks of Simony, especially in view of the fact that the Archdiocese and the parishes actually promote "Community Services" for their activities.

    Furthermore, it actually decreases the real spirit of "service" making it merely a cost of getting something desired rather than a true self-giving.  Teaching the confirmands the need for sacrifice and self-giving is one thing, making it a requirement to be Confirmed is something else entirely.

    But, Neil Obstat, that is what the Conciliar church is.  It is merely another social service institution.  And even it says that it is only one of many such institutions that are good to be involved with.

    It's not just a problem in Los Angeles.


    Good point, it reminds me of the way judges order service instead of prison. So much of it is really silly and just for show, it doesn't help  the intended population, it makes for nice pics in the diocesan newspaper.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 28, 2014, 09:45:06 AM »
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    *Why Fr. Serra is not a canonized saint, when the likes of Fr. Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer (Opus Dei founder), or Sister Faustina Kowalska are, and John XXIII and JPII are about to be, is an insult to the truth.  Fr. Serra walked the length of California's coast several times, on foot, and he was halfway crippled.  He made thousands of converts.  Due to his virtue and fortitude and benevolence and apostolic spirit, California had the Mass before it had the Gold Rush, and more missions than the Church had had ecumenical councils.  There have been many miracles attributed to Fr. Serra, so that's not the hold-up.  He spoke Spanish, so it's not a cultural obstacle.  It must have something to do with politics.


    Bravo for this!  My very favorite part of living in SoCal was visiting various missions around the state.  I am now very devoted to Fr. Serra.
    (side note: have you seen the masonic imaged mess they've made of the old chapel at Mission San Diego? )

    Back to the orignal topic, since the OP is located in Orange County, and proximity seems to be an issue, wouldn't Our Lady Help of Christians be closer than any of the other suggestions?  


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    « Reply #11 on: February 28, 2014, 12:19:46 PM »
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  • A novus ordo confirmation is a true spiritual disaster and a waste of precious time.  Like Neil said, the only reason to attend any novus ordo function is to see which abuses are being foisted on the novus ordites today (most of the abuses of the past were so well reported that some novus ordo parishes have actually changed the wording).

    If you are in Orange County, go to one of those two churches TKGS highlighted.  The SSPX would be acceptable too.



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    « Reply #12 on: February 28, 2014, 12:20:01 PM »
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  • Parish shop and leave that parish. A most likely scenario is the priest that allows this lay person to continue is gay.

    Before you leave, write a letter to the false heretic and send copies to the diocese and the priest.

    A lot of lay people who "take charge" in these lay orgs get a superiority complex, knock bozo off her podium. How long has this lay person been in the position ? Probably for years and let me tell you right now, if you think you will be the first to bring up the issue, you are wrong.

    Make your next Mass your last, write a check out for 1 penny to the priest retirement fund.

    And don't let the fact that you invested time or are near Easter to bail, it will just send a louder message. Fire your sponsor while you are at it.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 28, 2014, 01:36:09 PM »
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  • thanks for many information.
    what everybody said about Novus Ordo churches are very true.
    we are familiar with OLHC ( Our Lady  )  in Garden Grove, CA   we used to go to Mass there and attended some of their catechism class by Mnsg. Perez.
    Perhaps , best way to do is attend Mnsg. Perez class, hopefully, it may not be too late for May 25.
    Many of the people who attend adult Catechism class does not seems to know much.  
    for example most people thought  "Immaculate Conception" is conception of Jesus.
    here in Southern California, we had some priest who are traditional, I have heard some  priests such as late Father Johnson at St. Mary by the sea, and late Father Frederick Schell  were not treated very well from their dioceses.
    I heard, late Father Johnson were sent to St Mary by the sea, at that time, that church was just about to close down,  but Father Johnson build the church up increased membership, and even bought parking spaces next to the church. here in Orange County, CA, when priest retire, usually diocese place that priest some church and live there, but Father Johnson had to find his own place to live.
    I also called
    "Our Lady of the Angels Church" in  Arcadia, CA .  they have told me, we have to attend the Mass at their church and register, to get confirmed there.   it seems like there is no class, but person told me we have to take the test.  she did not mention , we can take class at OLHC.
    my wife hs been listening to Michael Voris, and watched most of his class he offer in his web site "churchmilitant.tv"  and took some class from Mnsg Perez at OLHC ,  so hopefully she is prepared, and educated.


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    « Reply #14 on: February 28, 2014, 01:49:02 PM »
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    Contact a Catholic Church:

    Fontana
    Our Lady of Lourdes Chapel
     Fr. Gerard McKee, CMRI
     Web site:  http://www.ourladyoflourdescmri.blogspot.com/
     16010 Boyle St.
     Fontana, CA 92337
     Sunday Mass: 1:30 p.m.
     Call (909) 829-0997 or (909) 841-8052

    or

    Los Angeles
    Queen of Angels Church
     Fr. Dominic Radecki (RevDominicRgmail.com)
     Web site: http://www.queenofangelscatholicchurch.org
     24244 Newhall Ave.
     Santa Clarita, CA 91321
     Phone:(661) 255-9849
     Rectory: (661) 269-4943
     Cell: (661) 618-0075
     Sunday Masses: 8:00 a.m., 11:00 a.m., 5:00 p.m.

    These chapels are close to Orange County according the MapQuest.


    Wish I had this info when I lived out there.  :facepalm:

     

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