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Offline Matthew

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FBI steals couple's life savings
« on: December 22, 2007, 11:59:28 AM »
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    Offline Telesphorus

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    « Reply #1 on: November 11, 2011, 12:22:11 PM »
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  • Pig thieves.

    There are too many police in many places.

    Recently a county sales tax levy was defeated here.

    A friend of mine was the leader, and the county auditor called up (mentioning that he didn't pay a lot of taxes) to complain to him that they had to lay off a few cops.  

    This was after building a huge new courthouse and a new prison that they filled up within the past decade.  So they decided to raise sales taxes.  But it was defeated.

    So the county authorities are upset.



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    « Reply #2 on: November 12, 2011, 05:32:58 PM »
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  • Considering all the suffering they have caused others, it will be difficult to manage even crocodile tears when those "public servants" are eating dog food.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 12, 2011, 05:40:09 PM »
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  • This is part of the control matrix. The elite hates cash. They debase it every chance they get and are tracking it as much as they can.

    There is an inherent suspicion of cash that apparently constitutes probable cause in and of itself. Example, and cash deposit into my bank account came under scrutiny when I was trying to refinance our house and had to submit bank statements for the refinance. I had to write a letter explaining the source of the money and *prove* it wasn't illicit (instead of the inverse).

    This would have happened to them somehow, some way, anyway. There's no way they could have depositied that in a bank if they wanted to because it's obviously 'drug money', so they'd have been stuck keeping it in a safe. But keeping it in a safe and not using a bank means it's drug money.

    They get you comin' or they get you goin'

    Use bank cards and let them track every penny.

    Oh, and they can forget about getting their money back.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 11:06:59 AM »
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  • The first question that needs to be answered is how did the local police department gain access into the safe in the first place.  


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    « Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 11:15:54 AM »
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    The first question that needs to be answered is how did the local police department gain access into the safe in the first place.  


    He shot a home invader and the police came in and were investigating the shooting (pictures, determining bullet trajectory, etc) and somehow cam upon marijuana, possibly out in the open.

    Then they could search the place, and did.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 11:30:02 AM »
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  • http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/FedCrimes/Story?id=4656671&page=1

    There are 453 grams in a pound.  Crack cocaine is easily tested in the field.  The only real problem here is that federal law enforcement got involved at all.  This is the result of a bloated, overgrown federal government that is certainly unconstitutional in its current form and function.      

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    « Reply #7 on: November 13, 2011, 12:01:48 PM »
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    The first question that needs to be answered is how did the local police department gain access into the safe in the first place.  


    He shot a home invader and the police came in and were investigating the shooting (pictures, determining bullet trajectory, etc) and somehow cam upon marijuana, possibly out in the open.

    Then they could search the place, and did.


    No they couldn't just "search" the place because of the other investigation regarding the shooting and robbery, much less gain access to a safe in the home.  The sought a search warrant based on probable cause which included the presence of narcotics, paraphernalia, scales, etc.  Two anamolies appear in the link above, first he claims that since the money was taken, he can barely survive, but his attorney claims that the new bills found in the safe were the result of bank withdraws taken from a direct deposit account.  Secondly, note that the bills were "bundled."  Drug dealers ordinarily "bundle" their money.  I know this from training and experience.  I wouldn't doubt if a K9 unit arrived and hit on the safe as well, but that's just a guess.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 13, 2011, 12:07:41 PM »
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  • Sold on the street that 321 grams is worth $4815, this story is bunk. He is a drug dealer, that is why his home was attacked, to get at the drugs.


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    « Reply #9 on: November 13, 2011, 12:15:20 PM »
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  • Or rather to get at the money that was in this safe.  The FBI should pound sand.  Local law enforcement should get that money.  

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    « Reply #10 on: November 13, 2011, 12:17:50 PM »
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    Sold on the street that 321 grams is worth $4815, this story is bunk. He is a drug dealer, that is why his home was attacked, to get at the drugs.



    I'm sure that's based on the "retail value" - sort of like these diamond merchants who are robbed report their losses based on the retail value of what's stolen.

    No government should be able to grab $400,000 dollars of cash and confiscate it without a judicial process.  If they can do that to them they can take anyone's possessions.


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    « Reply #11 on: November 13, 2011, 12:24:22 PM »
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  • I based it on $15 per gram, you can sell it as 'dime-bags' aswell and make a bit more, but I didn't feel like calculating it on .7 or .8 of a gram for $10. You can also make less by selling it in bulk, either way, he probably bought a pound for a couple grand. Only a drug dealer does that.

    The only thing that puzzles me, is how he isn't charged?

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    « Reply #12 on: November 13, 2011, 12:26:28 PM »
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  • I agree there should be a judicial process. With that much marijuana, it should be an open and shut case, I don't understand why he isn't charged?

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    « Reply #13 on: November 13, 2011, 12:32:00 PM »
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  • The reason why there might be hesitation in filing charges is because narcotics found in a multi-use, shared room makes it difficult to charge a particular individual.

    As for the above comment, though the seizure laws are indeed liberal, they hardly constitute a threat to your belongings or anyone else's who doesn't find themselves in a similar predicament.  As for judicial process, that IS part of the process.  For one who actually earned the money, it should not be difficult to prove.  In fact, there is a bit of irony here in that showing some kind of pay stub or bank statement doesn't actually "prove" it's your money, but that is sufficient to force them to give it back.  So it is taken through a judicial process, but given back rather easily (at least for those who can show "proof").    

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    « Reply #14 on: November 13, 2011, 12:46:57 PM »
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    As for the above comment, though the seizure laws are indeed liberal, they hardly constitute a threat to your belongings or anyone else's who doesn't find themselves in a similar predicament.  


    That's hardly a reassurance.  Who's to say someone couldn't have a large amount of cash stashed and invites someone in who happens to have contraband, then the cash is confiscated.

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    As for judicial process, that IS part of the process.


    There was no judgement in court.  $400,000 dollars taken without any jury decision, but on the judgment of cops.  Sorry, that's robbery.

     
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    For one who actually earned the money, it should not be difficult to prove.


    What happens to the presumption of innocence?  A person shouldn't have to prove they earned the money they have before someone else takes it.

     
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    In fact, there is a bit of irony here in that showing some kind of pay stub or bank statement doesn't actually "prove" it's your money, but that is sufficient to force them to give it back.  


    Where is a law that says someone must keep their money in the bank and prove that they've earned their money legitimately in order to avoid having it confiscated?

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    So it is taken through a judicial process, but given back rather easily (at least for those who can show "proof").    


    It really is outrageous that a person can have $400,000 dollars confiscated because a mere hundredth (in nominal "street" terms) of contraband narcotics is found?

     

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