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« on: August 17, 2007, 02:52:30 PM »
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  • Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

    Published:    07.30.06, 17:37

    The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."

    All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said.
    "In this difficult time, to be victorious, we must be steadfast using all of our strength and capabilities like brave soldiers fully armed in the battlefield ... Whatever happens, behave in such a way that God will be glorified."

    -Saint Andrew Kim

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    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2007, 03:16:34 PM »
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    Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents


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    Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

    Published:    07.30.06, 17:37 / Israel News

    The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."

     
    All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss)


    Clearly the Israeli military disagrees with them.

    The yesha council rabbis pretty much speak for themselves. They are an inflammatory bunch. One hesitates to compare them with the Ward Churchill types, or even David Duke types. But such extremists are what they are. They are unreasonable.

    Yet you could argue that for their ridiculous rhetoric, they were still on the right side of the issue. As Israel showed weakness, it also encouraged its enemies. They just simply want more, until they fulfill their pledge to push Israel into the sea.

    It does UNDERLINE something important, which perhaps simplistic critics here seem not to grasp. Orthodox Judaism IS opposed to Roman Catholicism. While there may not be the disdain for Roman Protestantism, there certainly is for those true and faithful to God and His Church. For the backbone sometimes - sometimes - shown by Netanyahu, one really doesn't need to hear his views, for example, on Catholicism. They are unfavorable, to say the least.

    One can be Catholic, and support Israel. That doesn't mean that the Third-Temple types, the orthodox rabbis, would in turn have a kind word to say about the God of the Temple, of Roman Catholicism, or of His Roman Catholic Church.


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    IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon

    By Meron Rappaport

    Haaretz

    "What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs," the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.

    Quoting his battalion commander, the rocket unit head stated that the IDF fired around 1,800 cluster bombs, containing over 1.2 million cluster bomblets.

    In addition, soldiers in IDF artillery units testified that the army used phosphorous shells during the war, widely forbidden by international law. According to their claims, the vast majority of said explosive ordinance was fired in the final 10 days of the war.

    The rocket unit commander stated that Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) platforms were heavily used in spite of the fact that they were known to be highly inaccurate.

    MLRS is a track or tire carried mobile rocket launching platform, capable of firing a very high volume of mostly unguided munitions. The basic rocket fired by the platform is unguided and imprecise, with a range of about 32 kilometers. The rockets are designed to burst into sub-munitions at a planned altitude in order to blanket enemy army and personnel on the ground with smaller explosive rounds.

    The use of such weaponry is controversial mainly due to its inaccuracy and ability to wreak great havoc against indeterminate targets over large areas of territory, with a margin of error of as much as 1,200 meters from the intended target to the area hit.

    The cluster rounds which don't detonate on impact, believed by the United Nations to be around 40% of those fired by the IDF in Lebanon, remain on the ground as unexploded munitions, effectively littering the landscape with thousands of land mines which will continue to claim victims long after the war has ended.

    Because of their high level of failure to detonate, it is believed that there are around 500,000 unexploded munitions on the ground in Lebanon. To date 12 Lebanese civilians have been killed by these mines since the end of the war.

    According to the commander, in order to compensate for the inaccuracy of the rockets and the inability to strike individual targets precisely, units would "flood" the battlefield with munitions, accounting for the littered and explosive landscape of post-war Lebanon.

    When his reserve duty came to a close, the commander in question sent a letter to Defense Minister Amir Peretz outlining the use of cluster munitions, a letter which has remained unanswered.

    'Excessive injury and unnecessary suffering'

    It has come to light that IDF soldiers fired phosphorous rounds in order to cause fires in Lebanon. An artillery commander has admitted to seeing trucks loaded with phosphorous rounds on their way to artillery crews in the north of Israel.

    A direct hit from a phosphorous shell typically causes severe burns and a slow, painful death.

    International law forbids the use of weapons that cause "excessive injury and unnecessary suffering", and many experts are of the opinion that phosphorous rounds fall directly in that category.

    The International Red Cross has determined that international law forbids the use of phosphorous and other types of flammable rounds against personnel, both civilian and military. ("IDF commander: 'We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon'," Meron Rappaport, Haaretz 12/09/2006)

    Full article:

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html


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    ... [Israeli] Maj.-Gen. (res.) Udi Adam, was suspected of ordering the firing of cluster bombs into populated areas during the final days of the fighting.

    The US State Department conducted its own investigation into the IDF's use of American-made cluster bombs and found that Israel had violated an agreement with Washington prohibiting the firing of the bombs on populated areas ...

    Despite all the criticism and the diplomatic crisis caused by Israel's use of the bombs, the IDF has withheld Hacohen's report. (Jerusalem Post, "IDF cluster bomb report still incomplete," Yaakov Katz, 8/2/07)

    full article:

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1185893694818&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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  • Orthodox [Judaic] soldiers are among the most motivated personnel in the IDF, with disproportionately high numbers volunteering for elite combat units and reserve duty, according to experts ... (Jerusalem Post, Matthew Wagner and Yaakov Katz, Aug. 6, 2007)


    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1186066390493



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    "When there is a clash between a directive in the spirit of the [IDF ethical] code and an order of Jewish law, it is clear that one must listen to the opinion of Jewish law." (IDF Chief Rabbi, Colonel Rabbi Avi Ronsky as quoted in Haaretz, Feb. 21, 2006)

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060225225238/http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/685158.html



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    "Part of my job as the chief military rabbi, perhaps the central part, is to reconnect the soldiers with the values of Judaism." (IDF Chief Rabbi, Colonel Rabbi Avi Ronsky,  By Ariela Ringel-Hoffman - YNet,  Oct 17, 2006)

    http://www.shechem.org/interact/publish/article_233.shtml



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    "When there is a clash between a directive in the spirit of the [IDF ethical] code and an order of Jewish law, it is clear that one must listen to the opinion of Jewish law." (IDF Chief Rabbi, Colonel Rabbi Avi Ronsky as quoted in Haaretz, Feb. 21, 2006)



    Whether the yesha council rabbis or these 'chaplains', or whoever else, no one need listen to them if they spout the sort of thing which was quoted about 'total war', no innocents, and so on.

    If you find examples of excess, what surprises me is that you find NONE on the part of those who attack Israel.

    You were asked questions about that. You've always avoided answering. It seems evasive. And at any rate, or whatever the case, obviously you won't let the facts stand in your way.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 18, 2007, 12:25:49 AM »
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  • (DAVID GUTTENFELDER / AP)
    Israeli soldiers load missiles on a military vehicle as Israeli orthodox Jews dance, to show their support for the troops.


    Israeli Soldiers eating "Haman's ears" the traditional pastry of the Judaic festival of Vengeance, Purim


    After finishing an extensive period of service on the front lines of the Jordan Valley action area, the 'Netzach Yehuda' Battalion, Kfir Brigade's Ultra Orthodox battalion, set out on a front-line service trek. The total distance is 14 km, and the course finishes at the Mazada fortress by the Dead Sea. At the end, all of the warriors and soldiers of the command gathered for morning prayer services, with the view of the Dead Sea.

    Photo by Abir Sultan / IDF Photo

    Soldiers wearing prayer shawls and phylacteries while praying the morning service in the field prior to resuming their training.

    The "Netzach Yehuda" ("Eternity of Judah") unit includes many young men who made Aliyah (immigrated to Israel) in order to join the IDF.

    The "Netzach Yehuda" unit has captured scores of wanted terrorists and is reknowned for its extremely high level of motivation.


    The standards of Kosher certification of the food in Nachal Hareidi, and the all-male setting are designed to enable Hareidi-religious Jews to join the IDF.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/84454


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  • Members of an IDF haredi unit pray in March 2007.
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    IDF's fervently Orthodox unit
    is seeking a few good men


    By Tom Tugend  Published: 04/30/2007  

    An Israeli infantry battalion of fervently Orthodox soldiers plans to launch an advertising campaign this summer in major Jewish newspapers in the United States and Britain seeking more foreign recruits ...

    "I love the fact that I can fully live out my Jewish values while at the same time protecting Israel," Taylor says ...

    Theoretically, any man -- no women, of course -- who meets these basic criteria can join the battalion, but in practice some 70 percent come from fervently Orthodox homes in Bnei Brak and other haredi enclaves.

    Time is set aside for daily Talmud study and the food is glatt kosher. No women are allowed on the Jordan Valley base, but on Shabbat married soldiers can meet their wives outside the base.

    "Nahal Haredi has the highest proportion of Diaspora volunteers of any Israeli unit," Klebanow said. "They come to us with high motivation, and many subsequently make aliyah. Sometimes they are more Zionistic than native-born Israelis." ...

    "Our enemies learn one way, and the one and only way is through the language of war and the language of the sword."

    http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20070430idfharedicampaign.html

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