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Offline Benzel

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Meeting Fellay-Francis on January 17
« on: February 08, 2017, 07:38:07 PM »
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  • Have you seen the last article of Don Curzio Nitoglia? (In English HERE)
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    On 17 January 2017 (the day dedicated to the "Jewish / Christian dialogue") Mgr. Bernard Fellay met Francis I in Santa Marta.


    I asked a very reliable source and told me that Bp. Fellay brought the SSPX Sisters' Superior with him to that meeting.

    This is another bad sign of an imminent agreement.





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    Meeting Fellay-Francis on January 17
    « Reply #1 on: February 08, 2017, 11:12:53 PM »
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  • Wonder how this latest stink escaped Rorate-Smelly?


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Meeting Fellay-Francis on January 17
    « Reply #2 on: February 08, 2017, 11:19:55 PM »
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    (the day dedicated to the "Jewish / Christian dialogue")


    Rorate Caeli perhaps doesn't want to venture into the Jewish question.

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    Offline Prayerful

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    Meeting Fellay-Francis on January 17
    « Reply #3 on: February 09, 2017, 12:42:44 PM »
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    Wonder how this latest stink escaped Rorate-Smelly?


    They either don't seem informed, or they wish Catholics to know as little as possible. Not sure which.

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    Meeting Fellay-Francis on January 17
    « Reply #4 on: February 09, 2017, 04:51:11 PM »
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  • Excellent article with a very hopeful conclusion (my bold emphasis):

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    The salvation of souls depending on the Church, the SSPX has done well for forty years, albeit with human imperfections, to maintain the faith and tradition in the Church occupied by modernism. However now it has objectively ceased to continue in this direction and has become the number one enemy of Christianity: Talmudic Judaism and its principal accomplice of the XXI century: the modernist "secret society" (St. Pius X, Motu proprio Sacrorum Antistitum, September 10, 1910).

    We can still save our soul and the Church will last even if the SSPX surrenders to modernism. The important thing is to continue to believe what the Church has always taught and to do what the Church has always done, without going along with modernism.

    Priests who do not want to be recycled by neo-modernism and Talmudic Judaism should follow the example set by a Bishop Williamson (not the physical person).

    Now the priests who are not inclined to doctrinal compromises have at their disposal three bishops, a Benedictine monastery in Brazil and the Dominicans in France and, if they are numerous, they can have many houses in which to carry on their mission and a seminary, which is already born near the Dominicans of Avrillé, which is forming in full fidelity to Tradition candidates for the priesthood.

    The main things is not to lose heart ("he can bark, but he cannot bite, unless he’s allowed to"), just as when we were faced with the Novus Ordo Mass we chose the traditional Mass. So now we must choose Tradition and not compromise, abandoning ourselves to Divine Providence and to cooperating freely with Her.

    Don Curzio Nitoglia


    Thank you for posting, Benzel.


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    Meeting Fellay-Francis on January 17
    « Reply #5 on: February 09, 2017, 08:28:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Benzel


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    On 17 January 2017 (the day dedicated to the "Jewish / Christian dialogue") Mgr. Bernard Fellay met Francis I in Santa Marta.





    Expect the official statement from Menzingen explaining the above in 3...2...1...

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    Meeting Fellay-Francis on January 17
    « Reply #6 on: February 10, 2017, 05:14:10 PM »
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  • More news about the meeting:

    Bp. Fellay was in the Vatican from January 17 to 20.
    He didn't stay at the District House of the SSPX in Albano, he was hosted in St. Martha´s house.

    Bp. Fellay asked the Mother Superior of the SSPX sisters to go to Rome,  she was hosted in the District House for two days.

    The priests and faithful of the SSPX in Rome are aware of this meeting. Even if it is an open secret, the meeting was not made official.

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    Meeting Fellay-Francis on January 17
    « Reply #7 on: February 10, 2017, 09:51:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    (the day dedicated to the "Jewish / Christian dialogue")


    Rorate Caeli perhaps doesn't want to venture into the Jewish question.


    Perhaps.Benzel now tells us that Fellay was lodged at Santa Marta from January 17-20. I wonder who else he met while staying there. The Call Me Jorge blog lists many of "them" who go to visit Bergy.
    http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com


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    « Reply #8 on: February 13, 2017, 06:43:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: AJNC
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    (the day dedicated to the "Jewish / Christian dialogue")


    Rorate Caeli perhaps doesn't want to venture into the Jewish question.


    Perhaps.Benzel now tells us that Fellay was lodged at Santa Marta from January 17-20. I wonder who else he met while staying there. The Call Me Jorge blog lists many of "them" who go to visit Bergy.
    http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com


    The Finnish Lutherans were visiting at the same time. I checked. Did he get to meet them? Why not?

    It took Bishop Rifan 2 years to concelebrate the New Mass. How long will it take +Fellay? Francis has already stated that Luther was "right about Justification". All kinds of celebrations are planned for the 500TH Anniversary, Luther stamp issued by the Vatican, Luther's statue enthroned by Francis... How long before +Fellay is asked to participate in these celebrations? He had plenty to say about +Rifan's betrayal which is nothing compared to his and can only get worse.
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)

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    Meeting Fellay-Francis on January 17
    « Reply #9 on: February 14, 2017, 06:44:19 PM »
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  • EMAIL SENT TODAY (FEB. 14TH) BY FR. GIROUARD TO HIS PARISHIONERS.[/u]


    Dear parishioners,


    For the last few days, some news came out on Cathinfo about a meeting between Bishop Fellay and the Pope at the Vatican on January 17th. This morning I got some more details from the French website "Reconquista".


    1-Bishop Fellay didn't stay at the house of the SSPX Italian District, located in Albano, at about 45 minutes from Rome. Instead, he stayed at the St. Martha house, where the Pope himself lives.


    2-Bishop Fellay asked the Mother General of the SSPX Sisters to be present at the meeting. She went, but stayed at the Albano house and not at st. Martha.


    3-Bishop Alfonso Galaretta was also present at the meeting with the Pope.


    4-Fr. Alain Nély, General Assistant, was also there. And he also used his time in Rome to complete the purchasing process of a big house with chapel in Rome itself. It is believed that this would become the headquarers of the future SSPX Personal Prelature. The purchase was facilitated by the direct intervention of Abp. Guido Pozzo, head of the Ecclesia Dei Commission.


    These events preceeded by only a few days the interviews Bishop Felllay gave in Paris on January 26 and 29th. In these interviews, Bishop Fellay basically repeated what he had said last August 24th in Australia: The SSPX and Rome both agree on what kind of structure would be acceptable to the SSPX if there was a "regularization". Only minor details need to be addressed. Rome is still modernist, but more and more bishops are reacting against the bad things, and they encourage the SSPX to continue the fight. Rome doesn't anymore ask the SSPX to accept Vatican II as part of Catholic dogma. The SSPX just wants to make sure Rome will allow it to "remain as it is". On January 29th, Bishop Fellay concluded the interview by saying that, in order for the agreement to go ahead, all that was needed was "un coup de tampon" (i.e. "to rubber-stamp it").


    Of course, none of us are surprised at these developments. Indeed, they are only the logical conclusions to the 2012 General Chapter scrapping the 2006 resolution of "No practical agreement with Rome unless Rome converts."


    Almost five years have passed since then. Five years during which Bishop Fellay expelled all SSPX members who were too vocal against his momentous policy shift. Five years during which he and his cronies have preached "the hot and the cold", in order to convince unhappy members that they would do a better job for the Society if they would "resist from the inside". (Which is basically what Bishop Fellay believes the SSPX as a whole should do towards Rome).


    Now, after these five long years, it looks like the road is clear for the "rubber-stamping" ceremony. The only question is this: Will they do it in 2017 (100th anniversary of Fatima), or will they wait until 2018 (for the scheduled General Chapter, which will hold the election of the General Superior and his two Assistants)?


    Time will tell.


    Let us pray for the Society, so she could wake-up. And for ourselves, so we could remain faithful and strong.


    God bless,


    Fr. Girouard

     

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