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« on: June 29, 2016, 06:43:22 AM »
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    At the conclusion of the meeting of the major superiors of the Society of Saint Pius X that was held in Switzerland, from June 25 to 28, 2016, the Superior General addressed the following communiqué:

    The purpose of the Society of Saint Pius X is chiefly the formation of priests, the essential condition for the renewal of the Church and for the restoration of society.

    In the great and painful confusion that currently reigns in the Church, the proclamation of Catholic doctrine requires the denunciation of errors that have made their way into it and are unfortunately encouraged by a large number of pastors, including the Pope himself.

    The Society of Saint Pius X, in the present state of grave necessity which gives it the right and duty to administer spiritual aid to the souls that turn to it, does not seek primarily a canonical recognition, to which it has a right as a Catholic work. It has only one desire: faithfully to bring the light of the bi-millennial Tradition which shows the only route to follow in this age of darkness in which the cult of man replaces the worship of God, in society as in the Church.

    The “restoration of all things in Christ” intended by Saint Pius X, following Saint Paul (cf. Ep.h 1:10), cannot happen without the support of a Pope who concretely favors the return to Sacred Tradition. While waiting for that blessed day, the Society of Saint Pius X intends to redouble its efforts to establish and to spread, with the means that Divine Providence gives to it, the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    The Society of Saint Pius X prays and does penance for the Pope, that he might have the strength to proclaim Catholic faith and morals in their entirety. In this way he will hasten the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary that we earnestly desire as we approach the centennial of the apparitions in Fatima.

    Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X
    Ecône, June 29, 2016
    The Feast of Saints Peter and Paul

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    « Reply #1 on: June 29, 2016, 06:57:17 AM »
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  • Can anyone translate this?


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    « Reply #2 on: June 29, 2016, 07:06:09 AM »
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  • It appears he is saying that a canonical recognition is not their primary goal until the pope starts doing his duty. Until then, they intend to keep doing what they've been doing. That's my take.
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    The “restoration of all things in Christ” intended by Saint Pius X, following Saint Paul (cf. Ep.h 1:10), cannot happen without the support of a Pope who concretely favors the return to Sacred Tradition. While waiting for that blessed day, the Society of Saint Pius X intends to redouble its efforts to establish and to spread, with the means that Divine Providence gives to it, the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  
    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #3 on: June 29, 2016, 07:29:17 AM »
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  • It sounds good on the surface. But to be honest, I think they are just being more careful since these communiques are always leaked.

    Recognition is not their primary goal. -- Doesn't mean it isn't a goal.

    Their primary goal is to spread the light of Tradition in society and the Church. -- They've already said they think they will spread Tradition better when recognized, since they can better convert the Church leaders and NO faithful that way. They've got a bunch of SSPX faithful now convinced of it too.

    They are going to redouble their efforts with the means given them by Providence. -- Yes, I am sure it would be very "Providential" for the Pope to hand them a recognition and accept them "as is". So basically their primary goal is noble and if they have to accept recognition to redouble those efforts, then they will. (Because in their minds this won't backfire at all.)

    Like I said, it sounds great on the surface but it's a lot of words, none of which are a clear and concrete return to "no practical agreement without doctrinal solution".

    Were they to accept a recognition tomorrow, this communique would still all be true, according to their minds and their way of thought. The words were very carefully chosen to include the possibility of recognition while not outright saying so.  


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    « Reply #4 on: June 29, 2016, 08:00:56 AM »
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  • I agree with you wallflower.  To me this reads as "The Pope and the rest of the Church won't convert until the SSPX is reconciled to Rome.  Since this is Divine Providence we must accept it so that we can convert them."

    My take:  they voted "yes".  Sneaky, word-salad announcement to follow soon.  Followed by select chapel closings.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 29, 2016, 08:12:42 AM »
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  • Good analysis, Wallflower. I don't think there's anything to add.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 29, 2016, 08:20:04 AM »
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  • "...does not seek primarily a canonical recognition, to which it has a right as a Catholic work."

    It seems this attitude is contrary to the spirit of obedience.  No religious institute has a "right to a canonical recognition."  Such things lie entirely within the decision, for good or ill, of the superiors.   It is the superiors who have the duty, right, and authority to grant or withhold that canonical recognition at their will.

    The work may have a right to exist, but the institute not so much.
    Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. - Nicene Creed

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    « Reply #7 on: June 29, 2016, 09:04:52 AM »
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  • is there any part of you that feels maybe -- just maybe -- the resistance was wrong about Bishop Fellay?
    Instaurare Omnia in Christo

    It is better that the truth be known than that scandal be covered up.  - St. Augustine


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    « Reply #8 on: June 29, 2016, 09:22:22 AM »
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    is there any part of you that feels maybe -- just maybe -- the resistance was wrong about Bishop Fellay?


    Nope. It's due to the very fact that there is a "Resistance," that these are the head lines today.  If it weren't for a bishop and a handful of priests and faithful, I truly don't believe there would be a SSPX today.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 29, 2016, 09:24:37 AM »
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  • Bishop Fellay causes his own problems when he consistently contradicts himself and uses 'political speak' in interviews.  I don't know what his intentions are, but I do know he is untrustworthy - a trait of a bad leader.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 29, 2016, 09:34:54 AM »
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  • The Superiors have kicked to touch....


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    « Reply #11 on: June 29, 2016, 10:06:39 AM »
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    is there any part of you that feels maybe -- just maybe -- the resistance was wrong about Bishop Fellay?


    I can only guess that +Tissier and +de Galarreta must have resisted +Fellay and assistants to their face and got enough support and +Fellay backed down somewhat.  I'm not impressed with the Communique (to say the least). It is ambiguous and lacks any conviction. Totally spineless. Too little, too late!

    As wallflower said, "Were they to accept a recognition tomorrow, this communique would still all be true". And they may. I just hope the two other bishops jump ship.  
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    « Reply #12 on: June 29, 2016, 10:26:43 AM »
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    The “restoration of all things in Christ” intended by Saint Pius X, following Saint Paul (cf. Ep.h 1:10), cannot happen without the support of a Pope who concretely favors the return to Sacred Tradition. While waiting for that blessed day, the Society of Saint Pius X intends to redouble its efforts to establish and to spread, with the means that Divine Providence gives to it, the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ.


    Reads like 'maybe with a new Pope but the recognition is off for now.'

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    Bistum Regensburg
    June 22, 2016

        The Bishop of Regensburg welcomes any initiative to overcome a schism, the rapprochement of groups separated from the Catholic Church and therefore to recover the visible unity of the Church.


        The Ordinations announced for Zaitzkofen [Bavaria, Germany] on July 2, 2016, do not represent any danger presently, as the secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, Archbishop Pozzo explains. It does not follow that they are canonically licit, nor an implicit recognition of the licitness of the consecration of the officiating bishop of the Society. The ordinations are only tolerated and accepted, without sanctions. This reflects a favor freely granted by the Holy See in view of a hoped-for convergence of the Society, after a period of intense reflection and examination. The criterion for the recognition of the Society is and remains the full affirmation of the authority of the Second Vatican Council and all its documents (religious freedom, ecumenism etc.).



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    This statement of the bishop of Regenburg is relevant. Cardinal Mueller said as much too. The German Conciliar bishops want a full SSPX surrender to the Vatican 2 or nothing.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 29, 2016, 10:29:52 AM »
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  • I'm surprised that some think this communique states that all negotiations are off until the Pope converts.  I think it says the opposite.  But I could be wrong.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 29, 2016, 10:41:58 AM »
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  • To me, this is clearly letting everyone know that there will be no "deal" right now.  It obviously doesn't put it out of the question in the future, but I can already see here that everyone aligned with the Resistance will not be able to accept the fact that there is no deal.  Back to the ol' drawing board.  

    Can we not take a moment to thank God for all of the prayers that helped to thwart a Reconciliation?  Is this not good news for the time being?  Would we have rather seen the deal go through?  i think, in many cases, yes, because then we could all give a big, "I TOLD YOU SO!!!!"

    Yet it didn't happen . . .  


    I just saw on Facebook someone call this Communique a "death blow to the Resistors."  

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