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The Christmas crib at the European Parliament
« on: December 10, 2014, 06:55:53 AM »
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  • And whom shall we see here?  


    http://gloria.tv/media/VkqwC8p5ceW

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    The Christmas crib at the European Parliament
    « Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 10:25:10 AM »
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  • I share the OP's dismay at what this video reveals. Specifically, could it really be that the salaries of midlevel Eurotrash bureaucrats and elected officials are so small that they are compelled to buy their suits off the rack at K-Mart?

    I'm sure others will moan at length about Bishop Fellay, so I herewith depart the scene to say a few prayers for the speedy revival of the lost skill of tailoring.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 12:46:41 PM »
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  • I wish someone would give a synopsis of the interview with the Bishop for us.  He looked much too happy and flattered to be there.  Perhaps he has forgotten all that this European Parliament has done to strip Europe of all that remains of its Catholic heritage.  Not to mention the member country's rights to determine their own laws such as those that outlaw abortion or homosexuality.  To see a nativity scene there is quite a contradiction to their agenda.  One has to wonder how it came about.  

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    « Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 01:12:28 PM »
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  • I'm much more confused about how Bishop Fellay got invited there by European politicians in the first place.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 10, 2014, 01:15:33 PM »
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    Not to mention the member country's rights to determine their own laws such as those that outlaw abortion or homosexuality.


    Individual countries joined the EU of their own volition.  They have no one but themselves to blame if they don't like the results.


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    The Christmas crib at the European Parliament
    « Reply #5 on: December 10, 2014, 02:12:48 PM »
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  • i cannot access the video, can someone  put up a photo please?

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    « Reply #6 on: December 10, 2014, 02:37:38 PM »
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  • I didn't catch the part where he said, "the power of Christ compels you" in French.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 10, 2014, 03:19:14 PM »
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    I wish someone would give a synopsis of the interview with the Bishop for us.  He looked much too happy and flattered to be there.  Perhaps he has forgotten all that this European Parliament has done to strip Europe of all that remains of its Catholic heritage.  Not to mention the member country's rights to determine their own laws such as those that outlaw abortion or homosexuality.  To see a nativity scene there is quite a contradiction to their agenda.  One has to wonder how it came about.  

    It's probably just a cover.  Too many people are waking up to their agenda, so they are giving the appearance of religious observance.

    It's a bit like Novus Ordo priests suddenly giving sermons on sin whenever the utterances from Rome become too wild.  They are trying to reassure the people that everything is alright, that nothing has really changed.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 10, 2014, 03:24:35 PM »
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    « Reply #9 on: December 10, 2014, 03:25:17 PM »
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  • I suspect it is more likely that there are a small group of anti-masons who have got themselves elected as politicians and bureaucrats and they deliberately organise a crib to provoke the Freemasons and anti-Christian camp.

    Not everyone working in the EU parliament is godless corrupt bureaucrat.  Just most of them.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 10, 2014, 11:57:41 PM »
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    I wish someone would give a synopsis of the interview with the Bishop for us.  He looked much too happy and flattered to be there.  Perhaps he has forgotten all that this European Parliament has done to strip Europe of all that remains of its Catholic heritage.  Not to mention the member country's rights to determine their own laws such as those that outlaw abortion or homosexuality.  To see a nativity scene there is quite a contradiction to their agenda.  One has to wonder how it came about.  

    Bishop Fellay is at the European Parliament because he has the courage to enter the Lion's Den.

    Bishop Fellay says the Nativity Creche in the public spaces of Europe and America is simple honesty.  He says everything those nations have become they owe to the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the public Nativity Creche is simple recognition of this truth such that even atheists ought to be able to recognise the fact.  He says this requires courage.  These are sufficiently hard words and he speaks them well with a friendly smile.

    His words here show him to be a man who is not lacking in courage.  In this video he shows himself to be a bishop of the Church of Rome.  He shows he is worthy of respect.  

    He is some sort of Jesuit and I am a Franciscan, but despite everything I must respect him for what he does in this video.  And when some sort of Jesuit like Bishop Fellay commands the respect of a Franciscan like me, then he is entitled to the respect of every Catholic.  He is entitled to our respect.  

    May the Good Lord bless Bishop Fellay!


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    « Reply #11 on: December 11, 2014, 12:38:55 AM »
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  • Has anybody seen  a translation of all the speaker's comments yet? Certainly, the Bishop could not have said that Americans and Europeans have Our Lord to thank for the dismal mess they are in? Surely he knows, that almost no where in America is allowed a creche in the Public spaces--because the Anti-Christians  and the atheists have prevailed? Hopefully, someone in Europe will have access to the announcements of this happening, and the hows and whyfors of Bp. Fellay's presence will be understood.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 11, 2014, 06:40:54 AM »
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  • Not particularly characteristic of the bishop in recent times although this could be seen as an attempt to preserve a culture rather than a theology. There is still some yardage in the promotion of the 'mother and child' image as any entrepreneur will tell you. This can work on two fronts: the family one and the residual cultural one. Of course, up against these themes is a highly influential and organised counter-culture which is working against the family and reminders of our Christian past.

    Behind the bishop's thinking there may be the idea that the culture is in need of a champion if it to survive and a partial return to tradition, exploiting its picturesque superficial aspects, may encounter less hostility in the mainstream church and not be such a challenge in the secular world. This approach is not at odds with the SSPX's liberal reforms and could be seen in that light upon closer examination.

    Being seen inside the European Parliament building can be construed as accepting the European Project but the irony is so many of its members there would like to see it closed down and  return to national independence and these members are among the most traditionally minded. Giving this institution of the NWO a Christian face may be a brave move but is this not another attempt at some accommodation with those with real power and will this not invite another strong backlash from ardent progressives?

    Unless Fellay has flipped back after receiving more Roman rejections, politically it makes little sense. The leaderships is being seen in the company of Civitas which the French government would like to suppress for its anti-secularist stance and active Catholicism, seeing it on the same page as extreme Muslims. How does this fare with the new branding initiatives and the like of Max Krah, Fellay's 'court Jew', who to this day actively promotes Zionist causes? Am I missing something ..... or is this normal Society smoke and mirrors activity?


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    « Reply #13 on: December 11, 2014, 12:44:20 PM »
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    I wish someone would give a synopsis of the interview with the Bishop for us.  He looked much too happy and flattered to be there.  Perhaps he has forgotten all that this European Parliament has done to strip Europe of all that remains of its Catholic heritage.  Not to mention the member country's rights to determine their own laws such as those that outlaw abortion or homosexuality.  To see a nativity scene there is quite a contradiction to their agenda.  One has to wonder how it came about.  

    Bishop Fellay is at the European Parliament because he has the courage to enter the Lion's Den.

    Bishop Fellay says the Nativity Creche in the public spaces of Europe and America is simple honesty.  He says everything those nations have become they owe to the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the public Nativity Creche is simple recognition of this truth such that even atheists ought to be able to recognise the fact.  He says this requires courage.  These are sufficiently hard words and he speaks them well with a friendly smile.

    His words here show him to be a man who is not lacking in courage.  In this video he shows himself to be a bishop of the Church of Rome.  He shows he is worthy of respect.  

    He is some sort of Jesuit and I am a Franciscan, but despite everything I must respect him for what he does in this video.  And when some sort of Jesuit like Bishop Fellay commands the respect of a Franciscan like me, then he is entitled to the respect of every Catholic.  He is entitled to our respect.  

    May the Good Lord bless Bishop Fellay!




    Or is the bishop responding to changes in the general political mood in Europe? Participation in events like this would be at the invitation of members and one is tempted to wonder whether the local bishop was conveniently too busy to attend on this occasion. I am sure Bp. Williamson would have given the assembled party more for their money though such a wonderful prospect would have been too politically charged! Perhaps being reminded of their Christian heritage is quite innocuous if such sentiments are intended to apply to the past and dare not impose themselves on the present!

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    « Reply #14 on: December 12, 2014, 07:18:32 PM »
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    I wish someone would give a synopsis of the interview with the Bishop for us.  He looked much too happy and flattered to be there.  Perhaps he has forgotten all that this European Parliament has done to strip Europe of all that remains of its Catholic heritage.  Not to mention the member country's rights to determine their own laws such as those that outlaw abortion or homosexuality.  To see a nativity scene there is quite a contradiction to their agenda.  One has to wonder how it came about.  

    Bishop Fellay is at the European Parliament because he has the courage to enter the Lion's Den.

    Bishop Fellay says the Nativity Creche in the public spaces of Europe and America is simple honesty.  He says everything those nations have become they owe to the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the public Nativity Creche is simple recognition of this truth such that even atheists ought to be able to recognise the fact.  He says this requires courage.  These are sufficiently hard words and he speaks them well with a friendly smile.

    His words here show him to be a man who is not lacking in courage.  In this video he shows himself to be a bishop of the Church of Rome.  He shows he is worthy of respect.  

    He is some sort of Jesuit and I am a Franciscan, but despite everything I must respect him for what he does in this video.  And when some sort of Jesuit like Bishop Fellay commands the respect of a Franciscan like me, then he is entitled to the respect of every Catholic.  He is entitled to our respect.  

    May the Good Lord bless Bishop Fellay!




    Or is the bishop responding to changes in the general political mood in Europe? Participation in events like this would be at the invitation of members and one is tempted to wonder whether the local bishop was conveniently too busy to attend on this occasion. I am sure Bp. Williamson would have given the assembled party more for their money though such a wonderful prospect would have been too politically charged! Perhaps being reminded of their Christian heritage is quite innocuous if such sentiments are intended to apply to the past and dare not impose themselves on the present!


    Bishop Williamson would not have been allowed to speak there because of all of the things he has said publicly, as you know. That is one of the reasons that it may be better for a bishop to prudently maneuver when giving public statements while still speaking the truth. At least Bishop Fellay is able to appear in such assemblies and give blessings.

    Yesterday I saw a video of a popular, black, NFL athlete being cut off very abruptly on national television because he mentioned the fact that "Jesus Christ died for our sins" and that was about the last thing he got to say. I also saw that Texas just passed a law to allow people to say "Merry Christmas" without getting into trouble. The Ten Commandment monuments are being removed in the public arena and there are plans to replace them with monuments to Satan. So this is where we are as a society.

    I think it was wonderful that the Bishop was there to bless the Creche right in the middle of the pagan world. And the way things are, the smile is helpful.

     

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