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Offline Amicus24

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To Pablo
« on: March 02, 2013, 08:59:06 AM »
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  • Pablo,

    I thought about whether this should be stated in a PM, but decided that it is important this be written publicly.  

    I think it is time that Fr. Pfeiffer is made aware of the scandalous manner you are behaving on this board (at least occasionally read by most if not virtually all people considering supporting the Resistance priests' efforts) and request that he correct you.  

    The fact is that having someone who behaves the way you do in a very public forum being a leading organizational and communications element is already damaging and, because of the universally accessible nature of social media like this website, could be a serious danger to the movement we are all spending a great deal of time and money to support.  

    I hope you will immediately cease your off the cuff comments and restrict yourself to only posts passing along important information that the Resistance priests want to  be disseminated.

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    « Reply #1 on: March 02, 2013, 09:45:40 AM »
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  • Pablo,

    You are not being accurate.  Fr. Pfeiffer just instructed us this week to contact you with and for information for the website.  Just a couple weeks ago, you went into a rage because we didn't sufficiently give YOU all the details about His Lordship's visit.    

    No one here knows what you are talking about in regard to any children who needed to be baptized by FSSP priests.  You are the only one who has scandalized anyone and no one is telling you anything other than:

    TONE IT DOWN!!!

    Pablo, your comments aren't just off-base, they are crazy talk.  Sane, balanced people don't write the way you do or fly off the handle like you do.  No one is talking about any persecuted children, or any lost souls or any trad trolls trying to help Satan trip anyone up.

    All I am saying is this:

    1).  Pablo, you say really violent, aggressive, crazy things on a regular basis

    2).  Pablo, these things reflect badly on Fr. Pfeiffer, the movement and all of us because of your close cooperation with Father.

    3).  Pablo, souls are shying away from helping the Resistance because they cannot understand how Father could allow someone like you to handle things.

    4).  Pablo, to avoid more scandal and pushing souls away, you need to CALM DOWN and stop the vitriol.  If you can post things without taking the crazy train, great.  But, so far, you haven't demonstrated that capacity.  So, until you can communicate without sounding insane, you really need to restrict yourself to informational posts only.  


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    To Pablo
    « Reply #2 on: March 02, 2013, 10:08:35 AM »
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  • Amicus24,
    I too was troubled about Pablo, and brought one of his over-the-top posts to Fr. Pfeiffer's attention when the latter was staying with us briefly about two or three months ago.  Father read it and just seemed to  blow it off, indicating that Pablo had some rough edges, perhaps, but was, nevertheless, a faithful servant of the resistance, etc.  I admire Pablo's tenacity and Cristeros-like spirit.  However, the apparent gratuitous craziness of some of this comments does leave one wondering from time to time.  I read little of what Pablo posts most of the time,  but have read enough of them to feel troubled.  Maybe we "resistance" gringos are too soft for him, not sufficiently tough, overly sensitive, etc.  I don't know.    

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    « Reply #3 on: March 02, 2013, 01:32:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    Amicus24....have you ever asked yourself why Father Pfeiffer remains friends with Pablo despite Pablo supposedly "scandalizing" everyone?  You know Father quite well.  Is he a man that cannot make decisions for himself?  Is he so helpless that he's forced to use Pablo's assistance?  Perhaps there are things Father knows that we don't? Why don't you call Father and ask him directly.  Then publish Father's response here.

    Why has no "better" man stepped up to replace Pablo?  Someone more level headed, pious, and nice to trads?

    Yes, where is he?

    I mean no ill will Amicus because I know you to be a good man.  But perhaps there is another side to this story we mere humans can't see.


    Dear Zeitun,

    You make an excellent point here about Father choosing to cooperate with Pablo.  Admittedly, Father can make his own decisions.  But, having spoken to Father very generally about Pablo's role in this situation, it is clear that he has NO IDEA about Pablo's statements on here and elsewhere.  Moreover, Father has specifically urged us to not make any of the kinds of statements that Pablo makes on a regular basis.  I have no doubt that when these things are brought to his attention, the situation will be dealt with appropriately.

    Also, again, I want to reiterate that Pablo's problem is not that he is not level-headed, impious or not nice.  I have no idea whether he is nice or not or pious or not.  The problem is that, for whatever reason, Pablo says crazy, scandalous things that discredit the entire Resistance because he is known to be a chief organizer and cooperator with Fr. Pfeiffer and runs the main websites.  That is the problem.  Pablo's behavior drives souls away from the Truth.  It doesn't have to be that way.  He could just tone down the craziness and there would be no problem.  

    God Bless,

    Grant  

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    « Reply #4 on: March 02, 2013, 01:36:59 PM »
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  • Wait a minute.  I, for one, was not bashing Pablo- just troubled by some of his online behavior.  BTW, I resist what is happening in the sspx, and have been doing so consistently since 2009, when the good bishop was treated by Menzingen as he was.  Just because I resist current sspx trends, and have no further use for +Fellay & Co. does not mean that our allegiances are automatically transferred to, or switched over to the camp of Fr. Pfeiffer & Co.  Sorry, for us it is just not working that way!    
     


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    « Reply #5 on: March 02, 2013, 01:38:15 PM »
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    Pablo,

    I thought about whether this should be stated in a PM, but decided that it is important this be written publicly.  

    I think it is time that Fr. Pfeiffer is made aware of the scandalous manner you are behaving on this board (at least occasionally read by most if not virtually all people considering supporting the Resistance priests' efforts) and request that he correct you.  

    The fact is that having someone who behaves the way you do in a very public forum being a leading organizational and communications element is already damaging and, because of the universally accessible nature of social media like this website, could be a serious danger to the movement we are all spending a great deal of time and money to support.  

    I hope you will immediately cease your off the cuff comments and restrict yourself to only posts passing along important information that the Resistance priests want to  be disseminated.


    If you have a problem with someone it should be taken care of privately.  It is a grievous error to detract from a person's reputation.

    Marsha


    Dear Marsha, you also make a very good point.  It is best to deal with this privately.  I have sent Pablo 3 PMs now requesting that he stop the bizarre, outlandish comments.  It was not successful.

    As for detraction, there is no such thing in this case.  I am not accusing him of anything.  I am simply saying that his comments, public to everyone here, are detrimental to the cause.  None of us sacrificed all we have only to watch Pablo drive people away by scandal.  

    God Bless,

    Grant

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    « Reply #6 on: March 02, 2013, 01:46:44 PM »
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  • Just an observation. I think its pretty clear that amicus and otherz are posting in good will and out of genyine concern. If they are wrong then they are wrong but resorting immediately to treating them as enemies (that's how it looks to me anyways) only serves to divide trads more than they already are. From phone
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    Offline Amicus24

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    « Reply #7 on: March 02, 2013, 04:04:46 PM »
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    I STRONGLY disagree with this attack on Pablo. He may have "rough edges" as Fr. Pfeiffer has suggested, but he has performed numerous acts of charity.

    A PM to Pablo to work out your differences would have been sufficient enough, but to openly blast him on a high traffic public Catholic forum is unacceptable.

    In my opinion, you have just reduced Cathinfo to the level of Ignis Ardens in their wolf pack methods. They work like a pack of wolves to drive off the ones they don't like, or who have very strong arguments for the resistance.

    St. Thomas Aquinas states, "Whatever is received, is received according to the mode of the receiver." I honestly have to say that I have never received from Pablo's posts any sense of rage, or bitterness, or anger that others state they receive. He rants and raves, he teases posters by intentionally holding back information to create mystery, and he is fiercely loyal to Fr. Joe Pfeiffer, but I DO NOT believe that Pablo is full of the malice that he is being accused of. So please stop.


    Dear Unprofitable Servant,

    I have sent 3 PMs/emails to Pablo and requested several times on the board that he stop the crazy comments.  It needs to stop.  I've had too many people on the fence bring up "that crazy guy Pablo" as a reason they have a hard time trusting Fr. Pfeiffer and the others.  Of course, they ought not allow themselves to let this stand in the way of their evaluation of the Truth.  But, by the same token, with such a difficult issue, when you have someone so closely associated with the Fathers frequently saying explosively crazy things, you can't blame people from having second thoughts.

    No one wants Pablo to go and no one believes he is full of any malice.  I, for one, realize that Pablo is a good man and has done a great deal of charitable works.  But, he does need to stop the crazy comments because, no matter how much good he does, his crazy comments distract people from the Truth.    

    God Bless,

    Grant


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    « Reply #8 on: March 02, 2013, 04:08:44 PM »
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  • bernadette:
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    I don't consider them as crazy rants, but rather impassioned defenses of the Faith.

    What "impassioned defenses" of the Faith is Pablo making that aren't being made by others on this forum?
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    Stop worrying about what others think and defend the truth.

    Oh, is that what Pablo is doing, i.e. defending the truth, while others are refusing to defend the truth as vigorously and effectively as he?
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    Those souls who are still on the fence....they need to make a decision, and they can start by not allowing themselves to be "scandalized" by the truth.

    Oh please.  We don't need Pablo and his boorish manners to help us see more clearly what the "truth" is.  BTW, what is this "truth" that you and others feel that Pablo represents and declares so vividly so as to help others get of the fence?

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    « Reply #9 on: March 02, 2013, 05:55:07 PM »
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    Why has no "better" man stepped up to replace Pablo?  Someone more level headed, pious, and nice to trads?

    Yes, where is he?

    I mean no ill will Amicus because I know you to be a good man.  But perhaps there is another side to this story we mere humans can't see.



       It is tiring to read a post that suggests nobody else is doing anything but Pablo. There are MANY  people fighing for tradition. There are MANY people who have put up websites that are more in depth and precise regarding the current crisis. There are good men out there who don't care about reputation-- who are fighting for the glory and honor of God. Men who do post on Cathinfo WITHOUT all the sinful comments we are so use to from Pablo.

       I for one left it in our Lady's hands weeks ago. But seeing this good person stand up and with growing suspicions about Pablo in recent days I had to stand with him.

       Unfortunately, this is a problem that is NOT going away. Satan is working on both ends of the crisis with the SSPX. Cleverly gathering souls behind Pablo is just one more way of the great deception of our times.

       Fr. Pfeiffer HAS been told many times. Just one reason more reason for Bishop Williamson to keep his distance!?

       Let's not forget to pray for Pablo. He'll spew out more vomit but he does have a soul that needs saving too.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 02, 2013, 07:16:51 PM »
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    I think it is time that Fr. Pfeiffer is made aware of the scandalous manner you are behaving on this board (at least occasionally read by most if not virtually all people considering supporting the Resistance priests' efforts) and request that he correct you.



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    You are not being accurate. Fr. Pfeiffer just instructed us this week to contact you with and for information for the website. Just a couple weeks ago, you went into a rage because we didn't sufficiently give YOU all the details about His Lordship's visit.


    If you had contact with Fr. Pfeiffer, then why didn't you mention your problems to him at that time?

    I propose we contact Fr. Pfeiffer and tell him the benefits we've received because of pablo, and complain about those who post crazy things that put this type of fight on the internet.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 02, 2013, 07:35:47 PM »
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  • Padrepio,
         I agree. I wonder if people might use Pablo as an excuse not to come into the resistance. You have to see things because they are Gods' truths. When I first went to the SSPX chapel, I was scandalized by a few people who liked to imbibe alcohol quite a bit. But I had to recognize that God wanted me there for the right reasons and to take my focus off of others.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 02, 2013, 09:07:53 PM »
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  • Bernadette: Thank you very much.  

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    Some are more vocal than others.  Let's not allow our delicate constitutions to get in the way...why don't the band of delicates get together and politely ask him to stop offending their ears?  Perhaps an "Open and non-confrontational Letter to Pablo from the Delicates"?


    You still haven't answered my question, Bernadette.  What are the cold, hard truths which Pablo reveals, and are difficult for us "Delicates" to accept or deal with?  Personally, I think Pablo is a nut, and a dangerous nut at that.  Your attempts at sarcasm are rather 'indelicate' themselves, and not very clever either.

    He and the rest of you can believe that I, for one, will give Fr. Pfeiffer and earful when he's out here next time.  If he doesn't do something to correct this individual's behavior, Fr. Pfeiffer will no longer be able to count on our support.  I understand that Pablo has done quite a bit of damage elsewhere, as well.  Pablo needs to be reined in, IMO, all of his sacrificial and good service on behalf of that priest notwithstanding.  If we give our bodies to be burned and have not charity, it is worthless.  

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    « Reply #13 on: March 02, 2013, 10:39:18 PM »
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    Bernadette: Thank you very much.  

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    Some are more vocal than others.  Let's not allow our delicate constitutions to get in the way...why don't the band of delicates get together and politely ask him to stop offending their ears?  Perhaps an "Open and non-confrontational Letter to Pablo from the Delicates"?


    You still haven't answered my question, Bernadette.  What are the cold, hard truths which Pablo reveals, and are difficult for us "Delicates" to accept or deal with?  Personally, I think Pablo is a nut, and a dangerous nut at that.  Your attempts at sarcasm are rather 'indelicate' themselves, and not very clever either.
     My name is Tim Moore, and I live in Post Falls.  If Pablo takes umbrage, he knows where we live.  He and the rest of you can believe that I, for one, will give Fr. Pfeiffer and earful when he's out here next time.  If he doesn't do something to correct this individual's behavior, Fr. Pfeiffer will no longer be able to count on our support.  I understand that Pablo has done quite a bit of damage elsewhere, as well.  Pablo needs to be reined in, IMO, all of his sacrificial and good service on behalf of that priest notwithstanding.  If we give our bodies to be burned and have not charity, it is worthless.  


    My sentiments exactly.

    Hooray for those who "tell it like it is" and don't mince words. But Pablo does NOT have a monopoly on that.

    So all the other members of the Resistance are lily-livered "delicates" who have no cajones?  Sorry, I can't grant that. I know plenty of men JUST ON CATHINFO ALONE who prove the falsity of that statement.

    Sure, maybe Pablo has done some good. That's why he has a few fans. But he is not being criticized for that. He is criticized for his great and many public faults -- things he posts online -- which cause all kinds of confusion and damage for the Resistance.

    He likes to post ambiguous statements. He likes to have the "scoop". He likes to be the center of attention. He comes across a bit unstable/crazy at times (like Monday - Friday and weekends). He wants to be the main organizer or Nexus of the Resistance. He wants a monopoly on all sermon videos. Everything has to be a "Pablo the Mexican production" or it's worth nothing.

    And he randomly makes charges and statements that have no basis in reality -- I've seen him do this several times. 2 children baptized by the FSSP? Rejecting poor people from Resistance Mass centers? He just MAKES STUFF UP or just connects things together that don't go together, usually because someone went "over his head" in a matter of Resistance chapel organization. If you insist, I can come up with actual quotes.

    He considers everything to be "rogue" if he didn't have a hand in it, or if he wasn't notified or involved.

    And let's not forget his recurring lack of respect for a faithful Traditional Bishop -- +Williamson. Remember his favorite jibe, "tea and crumpets"?

    Those are the things that seriously bother me about Pablo.  It doesn't scandalize me from supporting the Resistance, but eventually the Resistance is going to have to go mainstream (greater than 500 people) and when it does, we're going to have to be concerned with characters like Pablo driving people away.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 02, 2013, 11:03:11 PM »
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  • I am not denying any truths (God forbid!), including the good deeds that Pablo has done for God and the Resistance.

    Most of his strengths and good deeds are exhibited OFFLINE or IRL, whereas most of his faults are broadcasted to the world ONLINE. I haven't even met Pablo in person (though I've spoken with him by phone), so I haven't seen him "in action".

    I'm sure he's made plenty of sacrifices (hopefully known mostly to God alone, so he'll get full merits for them in heaven!)

    But sometimes good can be outweighed, mitigated, or even undone by a certain quantity of bad.

    A car with a damaged engine is rejected, even if the radio and heater are in top shape. No one wants to hear about how soft an airplane's seats are, if it's missing 3 of its 4 engines.

    Bonum ex integra causa, malum ex quocumque defectu.

    "an action is good when it is good in every respect; it is wrong when it is wrong in any respect."

    Anyhow, it's because I love the Church (which means loving the Resistance, which is trying to save the Church) that I am forced to admonish Pablo, so he can better himself. I believe he loves the Church and Resistance as well -- but what if he's doing something that's hurting it? Wouldn't he want to change?

    I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he WOULD want to do the right thing.

    So, you see, I'm actually quite charitable toward Pablo.
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