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Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
« on: October 13, 2012, 08:25:02 AM »
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  • Gentiloup from the french forum named Un évêque s'est levé (link on my website)read a confidential letter that Bp Fellay sent the superiors of districts. In this letter, Bp Fellay tells Bp Williamson that he gives him 10 days to close his website, to apologize, to promise that he will not criticize any more. Otherwise, he will be expelled from the society. Tomorrow is the last of the 10 days, says Gentiloup...
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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #1 on: October 13, 2012, 09:04:58 AM »
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  • If this does happen, then I'm withdrawing my financial support of the SSPX.


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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #2 on: October 13, 2012, 09:23:17 AM »
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  • It's worth noting Patricia Mc Keever, editor of 'Catholic Truth' is at a conference in Ireland today. A noted critic of Bishop Williamson. For months Mc Keever and others having been causing trouble in Scotland putting Fr Morgan and others under terrible pressure.

    On a point of principle, I certainly didn't attend the conference based on their attack on the Bishop and Fr Morgan.

    I'm sorry the Fatima Centre, Ireland have given her a platform and invited her given her attack on the Bishop and Fr Morgan.Whose side are they on? A line has been drawn in the sand and at this stage, people must take a side and a position.
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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 09:36:05 AM »
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    If this does happen, then I'm withdrawing my financial support of the SSPX.


    They are not deserving of any financial support. I'd give money to priests who are anti but would need to establish where exactly the money goes?

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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #4 on: October 13, 2012, 09:46:16 AM »
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  • Father Chazal told us that he and fr Pfeiffer were going to do a website and to organize everything when they come back in America, around the 15th October. So I suppose that he will organize the financial support. I suppose that if everything about Bp Williamson is true, Bp Williamson might join them soon in America and of course, we'll support them and all the priests that will want to follow Bp Williamson.


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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 09:49:57 AM »
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  • http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11107&view=getnewpost
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    It would be a suicidal move on Bishop Fellay's part.



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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 09:52:12 AM »
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    If this does happen, then I'm withdrawing my financial support of the SSPX.


    They are not deserving of any financial support. I'd give money to priests who are anti but would need to establish where exactly the money goes?


    Absolutely correct. Money management is most important, or the laity's funds will go from the frying pan into the fire.

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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 09:55:43 AM »
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  • Previously, when the Bishop was threatened with expulsion, the laity in Ireland formed a long line to speak with the priests after Mass. A French priest stationed in Ireland at the time was left ashen faced. He was really shaken by the support for the Bishop.


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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 10:08:18 AM »
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  • Quote from: InDominoSperavi
    Gentiloup from the french forum named Un évêque s'est levé (link on my website)read a confidential letter that Bp Fellay sent the superiors of districts. In this letter, Bp Fellay tells Bp Williamson that he gives him 10 days to close his website, to apologize, to promise that he will not criticize any more. Otherwise, he will be expelled from the society. Tomorrow is the last of the 10 days, says Gentiloup...
    Avec l'Immaculée


    Thank you for the heads-up, InDominoSperavi.

    Forceful and decisive . . . only if Bishop Fellay had been so in dealing with modernist Rome! . . . But no.

    What is with him??? . . . The NSSPX is admittedly not going to sign any deals with new Rome (at least for the time being), and, according to Fr. Chazal, they're seriously "back-peddling" on the issues.

    Would it then not serve Menzingen's "alleged" desire for unity within the Society to seek genuine healing by at least inviting the resistance priest members over to speak their minds and hearts freely and openly in order to hear them out fully without the threat of sanctions?

    Wouldn't that be a great fatherly gesture on the part of Bishop Fellay?

    I mean, isn't that what a TRUE leader would do who is not afraid of the truth?

    What a wasted opportunity for genuine healing and reconciliation!

    As far as Bishop Williamson, my preference had been for him to remain within the official structures of the NSSPX so that he might exercise his influence more directly and perhaps one day even ascend to a position of great influence (take Bishop Fellay's current job).

    Now that we're seeing the cookie crumble the "other" way with this latest development (sad though it be), it fuels my speculations/hopes that things might be hastened for the Vienna Five to get their first bishop after all.      


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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #9 on: October 13, 2012, 11:38:55 AM »
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  • If this is true, and it smells like Bp Fellay's usual actions, then the good Bishop Williamson could finally be expelled from the Neo-SSPX "very, very" soon.
    For sure the Neo-SSPX can't join New-Rome as long as Bishop Williamson is a formal member. Because the good shepherd always throws a monkey wrench into the works of the New-Roman and Menzingen modernists. They must be "very, very" angry on him. :-)

    During the last years the brave bishop resisted Menzingen's desperate efforts to eliminate his blessed opus Dinoscopus. I think it's likely that continues his important Eleison Comments, because he and many others know well that it's the last voice of a true Catholic Bishop hearable all over the world in five important world languages. Read weekly by (hundreds of?) thousands readers worldwide. He also knows that the days we can use the Internet are numbered, so... why stop it now!

    So, if the good Bishop should be expelled from the Neo-SSPX, what would he do? I think there's a possibility that he would join the US resistance around Fathers Pfeiffer, Chazal and the others. Even if the Bishop stayed in England (which would be great for us Europeans :-) , he could join them logistically. Which would attract more priests from the world to join the True-SSPX, and well, finally they would get a true bishop.

    Well, we will see. God bless Bishop Williamson and all the other truth-loving clerics like Fr. Chazal, Fr. J. Pfeiffer, Fr. Ringrose, Fr. Weinzierl, Fr. Meramo, and many more.

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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #10 on: October 13, 2012, 11:43:58 AM »
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  • Abe Lincoln said "a house divided against itself cannot stand", and I truly believe that unity within the SSPX is essential.  The only way for that to happen is for +Fellay to step down and let another take his place.  I agree, Skunkwurxsspx , if +Fellay was acting out of charity and trying to resolve this crisis with good will we would see him reaching out to the priests and faithful with fatherly concern, not punishment and abuse.  I for one hope Bishop Williamson will leave the SSPX and join the Vienna Five so that other priests will have more backbone to stand for the Faith also.  It is looking like the SSPX has been so compromised in their stand now that leaving is the only alternative.  The faithful can obviously stay as long as there is the True TLM but for the priests it seems the issues are more complex.  God's will be done in all this confusion!  


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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #11 on: October 13, 2012, 11:52:39 AM »
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    Father Chazal told us that he and fr Pfeiffer were going to do a website and to organize everything when they come back in America, around the 15th October. So I suppose that he will organize the financial support. I suppose that if everything about Bp Williamson is true, Bp Williamson might join them soon in America and of course, we'll support them and all the priests that will want to follow Bp Williamson.




    You must realize that it is almost certain that "THEY" will not allow Bishop W to settle anywhere abroad, because of the "Swedish interview".

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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #12 on: October 13, 2012, 12:48:05 PM »
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  • Well, so much for a conversion or change of heart.

    It's apparent that he's committed to this new orientation for the SSPX -- a new orientation that favors the modern world, Jewish interests, and NewRome.

    And in such a New Order of the SSPX, there is truly no place for good bishops like Bishop Williamson, as well as the faithful priests who have been ejected.

    If this is true, what will become of the SSPX leadership, and the SSPX itself?
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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #13 on: October 13, 2012, 01:01:10 PM »
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  • I must disagree, Pablo.

    We must have some measure of prudence about where our money is going.

    Or, as Ferdinand points out, we'll just be jumping out of the Krah frying pan and into the fire.

    I believe the mailing address in Kentucky you quoted is fine; that money is going to Fr. Pfeiffer (et al) and he's totally legit. So I'm only talking IN PRINCIPLE here.

    We have to make sure our donations aren't going to some random layman to manage, who has no oversight. What if the layman decides to divert some funds to this or that person or cause? Who would ever know? What if his family "needed" the money -- say, a job loss or impending foreclosure -- and so "of necessity" he had to lend some Church money to his family? He'd feel justified ("Hey, I fully intend to pay it back!") but the Church would be out the funds just the same.

    Or what if the layman in charge is naive, and lends money to another family in need? What if he gets taken for a ride by a rogue/false priest? The possibilities are endless.

    We can't have random self-appointed laymen rising up with collection baskets and amassing/centralizing large amounts of capital. It's too dangerous without prudence and oversight.

    I think that right now, given the current state of the Resistance, the safest way to donate is to find faithful priests and personally put money in their consecrated hands. Just like with any charity, the more personal the better. (More personal = less chance of fraud)
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    Bp Fellay presented Bp Williamson with an ultimatum
    « Reply #14 on: October 13, 2012, 01:02:50 PM »
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    Abe Lincoln said "a house divided against itself cannot stand", and I truly believe that unity within the SSPX is essential.


    Abe Lincoln???

    And Jesus knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand. [Matthew 12:25]
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

     

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