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« on: October 01, 2012, 12:43:19 AM »
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  • Our friend, father of 8, longtime supporter of SSPX and parishioner of Christ the King Church in Ridgefield, CT was denied Holy Communion by his pastor for having a website about the current SSPX/Rome crisis (only a few months old). This good man, a veteran firefighter, sacrifices his vacation time in order to attend Mass on Sundays & this is how he is treated by his pastor?

    From http://www.sossaveoursspx.com/

               A DISCLAIMER AND ANNOUNCEMENT
               A Sad, sad, time, dear friends and faithful. A priest of the SSPX, with the blessing of his U. S District  superior, refuses  Holy Communion to  a writer who use the freedoms our fore-fathers earned through their " lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor"  to express his beliefs and opinions, and to share with other faithful Catholics timely news of the goings-on in the world of Tradition. Simply, it seems,  because the SSPX superior does not wish the faithful to be informed.Period. End of Story. What's going on with Father Chazal? None of your business. What's up with Fr. Pfeiffer? None of your business?  What's up with Fr. Basil  Meramo? Fr Damien  Fox? Fr. Patrick Girouard(Canada)?  the four German priests ? Fr.Gabriel Grosso( Argentina)? Fr.  David Hewko? Fr.Eric Jacqmin( Belgium)? Fr. Michael Koller(France)? Fr. Juan Ceriani( Argentina)?Fr. Ernesto Cardoza( Brazil)?Fr Xavier Beauvais( France)? Dom Nataglia( Italiy)? Bishop Williamson? Fr. Jean de Morgon( France)?Fr. Steven reiter?Fr. Juan Turco?(Argentina)?Fr Joven Soliman( Phillipines)? The Capuchins of France? The Monastery of Santa Cruz in Brazil? In every single case, these brave priests are trying to warn the SSPX and the Superior that his playing with Rome is a mistake. And in every case they are shut up! The answer is the same-- none of your business! That way they can pressure the priests to buckle under or be expelled. Father leRoux told me personally in Auriesville that none of the three Bishops( Williamson, deGalaretta, or deMallerais) had been given the "grace of State" when the Holy Ghost was placed upon their shoulders and they became bishops-- only Bishop Fellay was!
         So then what--? When they are expelled? Then they lie and say "they were sede-vacantists!"  Fr. Rostand recently told the people that the "nine" of 1983 were expelled because of "sedevacantism"-- a total fabrication. Your editor was there in 1983! The "nine" were complaining of changes in the missal, they were against bringing in novus ordo priests , they were against the SSPX agreeing with novus ordo marriage annulments; they were against introducing liturgical reforms of John XXIII, they were against the expulsion of priests sanctified to Christ without arranging for their care and support. They were not promoting sede-vacantism. 
          Fr  Rostand, the appointed superior of the SSPX  U S District was in Ridgefield Sunday, September 16th. He said he would take questions from the parishioners. He said the Mass. The Pastor , Fr Goldady was hearing confessions until the communion. Fr. Rostand  said he would answer the many questions the parishioners have about the dealings with Rome; he also spoke of the great virtues of charity and love.Fr Goldady left the confessional to help distribute communion-- and made it a point, in front of several hundred parishioners, to deny Holy Communion to the editor. Of course, Father Rostand later joked , during his conference that "I hear in America you have freedom of speech!"
          During the little conference, Fr Rostand talked of "some" of the steps from 2000 through 2012. He also took some questions, but was unable to answer any of them. He said Bp Fellay's comments in the CNS interview were taken out of context. But when asked if they contacted CNS and told them to correct the interview, he didn't know. This is the same Fr Rostand who had his attorney tell SOSSave OURSSPX that "you can't use the pictures of Archbishop Lefebvre!"
          He was asked  by a parishioner  if there is a good communications between higher-ups and the priests. After much waffling, he finally admitted "No". When asked directly is there is good communications between  the faithful and the SSPX  (mgmt), after much waffling, he answered no, probably not. But this is the same Father Rostand who said to your editor, when I said, "Father, anything you find inaccurate or wrong ( on this website), I'll correct" all he could say was "just take it down".
           When asked directly by one of  the faithful whether Bishop Fellay, over a week ago stated to Seminarians in Econe that he (Bp Fellay) had been deceived by Rome( something covered by many major news sources), he stated "I don't know"-- then, after much waffling, he said "he may have said something like that."
         

       How in the world, could a little web page( sossaveoursspx), which is merely a compilation and amalgamation of information that is freely available to anybody in the entire world, could be upsetting to the higher ups in the SSPX, is beyond me. The pastor, when he threatened to with-hold Holy Communion, was asked by myself: "what lies or calumnies are on the SOSSAVEOURSSPX", and he said "I didn't know-- I don't have time to look at it". When I asked him , specifically, to tell me what is erroneous or incorrect (for I would immediately change it), he said he "hadn't read it"! I offered him to let me know of any errors or calumnies that he found-- he has notified me of not one!
         At the conference, almost every single question put to Father Rostand  was left unanswered. The dancing around the questions was legendary. The first retort on any of the quotes( which parishioners offered) of the Archbishop's was "when did he say that?"
       So what can a Catholic conclude? 1) Priests like Fr Goldade are scared out of their wits to oppose Fr.Rostand-- and they cannot think for themselves. It was stated during the conference many, many times--"if they ( the priests) don't like it here( in the SSPX) they can leave! This even pushes them to commit egregious  public acts of injustice.2)The SSPX leaders now think that the  Archbishop really didn't know what he believed.  One almost comes away  thinking "Gee,it's a good thing the Archbishop passed away, because these people believe he was always changing his tune". And now, we have this huge confusion.
         It is really quite simple. It appears Bishop Fellay and Father Rostand want to make the SSPX an organization that novus ordo (modernist) Catholics will want to join. They want to make of it a priestly society where Novus Ordo Bishops (Never ordained in the Catholic faith, many who don't believe the catholic faith), who are protestant and modernist in their thinking, will welcome into their diocese SSPX priests, and will send their candidates to ( hopefully), the new SSPX seminary in Virginia . To do this, they have to ditch the traditional baggage; they have to look to the modernists as if they are not that rigid in their thinking, and they even have to portray the Archbishop as flexible, and ever-changing--just like Ratzinger's notion of tradition. But at the same time, they want to keep the great traditional support base-- all the thousands of faithful who bought the churches, built the schools, supported the seminaries, sponsored the camps. And that is, in my opinion, why they allow the CNS interview  to go out which has Bp Fellay saying , basically, ' Vatican II is really okay--there's just some interpretations which are wrong', but when the traditionalists quote the very same words, the SSPX leaders cry "You mis-quote me out of context!!
             When a man is trying to woo two women at the same time, he has to keep his stories straight-- othewise one of them will get wind of something fishy. Same thing's going on here. They can't speak the truth, because either the trads will get upset, OR the Romans will get upset. And, in a few cases, there are different levels of people in each of those groups, who get upset for different reasons.

      Therefore, It becomes best to say nothing, or " I don't know ", or  "did you hear him say that" ( As Fr. Jenkins retorted when I quoted the Archbishop, or "when did he say that" as if whatever he said in the 1970's or 1980's were revised by what he said in the later years.And now, of course, if you continue to quote the Archbishop, or repeat anything someone else says about the Archbishop, "WE WANT YOU TO SHUT UP!". Failing that, there is no freedom of Speech in the Society of St Pius X's concept of the Catholic faith, so  you shall not receive Holy Communion.Yes, it is true,  open abortionists, open paediphiles, open sodomiotes, open child-abusers, can receive holy communion, can serve as priests, and can even be bishops, cardinals and popes in Bp Fellay's Church of the new Advent, the church he wants to re-join. But if you dare to give the news you shall not receive Holy Communion! Change Canon Law, Change the slabs given to Moses, the Eleventh Commandment is "Thou Shall Not print the News."
       This web site is not for those who do not want to read it--stay off is my recommendation. As I stated on  the very first page some three months ago, ( you can find this way down at the beginning of this page) SOSSaveOurSSPX will be taken down,when as as soon as the Management of the Society of St Pius X drops it's foolish plans to join Rome, restores it's priests and bishops to their rightful positions, and begins telling the faithful the whole truth of what they are doing with Rome. There's nobody on the world wide web that is being forced to access this page.To hit "enter" is totally voluntary. Those who access this page love their Catholic faith, and they love the Society of St Pius X. They respect greatly Achbishop Marcel Lefebvre, and they likewise respect deeply the bishops and priests, brothers, sisters, monks and faithful who have sacrificed for so many years, through so many trials, to keep our faith with purity. We don't want to see the faith adulterated with the falsehoods and heresies of the Rome of today. And we love and support our priests-- even when they are driven by their superiors to make mistakes. Pray for our priests! Cardinal Ratzinger has said the curtain is falling over Christian civilization.  The very people in Rome are working for that curtain to fall!  The Catholic Faith is the rock of that Christian Civilization. it is upon that rock of the FAITH, the FAITH expressed by St Peter, upon which the Christ promised He would build His Church. Christ's promise lives on today, and must live within each of us who professes that faith. It is, or it must be, the same faith that St Peter professed to Christ Himself. We can back down, and let the faith erode,and thousnds upon thousands of Catholic and christians be deceived into hell-- or we can sound the alarm, and help preserve the faith of Our Lord, the faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the faith of St Peter, St Pius and Marcel Lefebvre. And so we work. for the keeping of that faith-- and that's all we work for.  If any of our readers find anything calumniating, or erroneous, or false, please advice me, and I will remove it. It takes a long time to put these news articles together. I have no computer, I have no internet, I have no TV.  I am a little pebble in the ocean.  I must rely solely on free-access computers, and very, very little free time. It would be far better for the current management to get back to the principles of  Archbishop Lefebvre ,Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer and Pope Pius X, and stop dealing with these snakes in Rome, and they wouldn't have to always couch their words based on their audience. We pray for their priests , for our priests, driven to erroneous actions because of their fear of the management.  NOTE : A CALL FOR PHOTOS: Father Rostand has instructed his law firm to  claim ownership rights to all photos of Archbishop Lefebvre,, all priests of the SSPX,  and all buildings paid for by the people! They have embarked upon another foolish waste of time!. Any readers who have original photos , of all things traditional and Catholic, please send them along to me, include a short note, of course, letting us know where you took it, who/what it is, and permitting me to post it, if appropriate to the subject being discussed. Thank-you

    Offline MaterDominici

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    « Reply #1 on: October 01, 2012, 12:47:34 AM »
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  • FYI - there's another thread discussing this already. I'll go find the link...

    HERE: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=20619&min=0&num=5
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...


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    « Reply #2 on: October 01, 2012, 01:10:10 AM »
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  • I didn't see that it was posted in that thread. Since I know that parish pretty well, attending off & on since 2002, I think that I can defend the editor from the Neelyanns & MacFarlands of this world.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 01, 2012, 11:10:46 AM »
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  • the tactics are vatican II.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    « Reply #4 on: October 01, 2012, 11:17:02 AM »
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  • Conquer and divide..  this is horrible.  I get upset about the whole thing.  We are Catholics.  This I know :  John XXIII on his death bed was begging for thme to stop the council!   Paul Vi  before he dies admits that Satan was now in the sanctuary.

    This is proof enough that Vatican II is evil.  Vatican Ii was created during th  e 60's.  there was plenty of peace love drugs etc...  guitar mass.  

    We lost alot of priests, nuns and lay.  Our churches and schools are being closed down by these communists.

    It seems that they have infiltrated sspx.

    SSpx already does the Mass of John XXIII which was Latin Mass phase into vatican II.  Original 1962 missal even leaves out Leotine prayers to be said after Mass..  
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    « Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 01:03:09 PM »
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  • «Brothers,
    as stewards of the mysteries of God, stand up and act.
    That you see before your eyes the devastation
    that others are perpetrating».

    St. Athanasius

      :incense:

    Fr. Goldade also said in a sermon two months ago that "we must be docile to Bp. Fellay."

    Says who?

    As far as I'm concerned, Fellay is not the Holy Ghost but NeoSSPX has already canonized him!

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    « Reply #6 on: October 01, 2012, 01:34:23 PM »
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  • Poor Father Rostand... he presents himself as a dufus, a French clown.
    He's lost all credibility and serves his position, only to be resisted.


    This comment explains our recent awarenesss of the Novus Ordo infiltration of the SSPX.  It exposes Menzingen's "duality", an obvious cover for their sell-out plans:


          When a man is trying to woo two women at the same time, he has to keep his stories straight-- othewise one of them will get wind of something fishy. Same thing's going on here. They can't speak the truth, because either the trads will get upset, OR the Romans will get upset. And, in a few cases, there are different levels of people in each of those groups, who get upset for different reasons.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2012, 01:43:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Zorayda
    «Brothers,
    as stewards of the mysteries of God, stand up and act.
    That you see before your eyes the devastation
    that others are perpetrating».

    St. Athanasius

      :incense:

    Fr. Goldade also said in a sermon two months ago that "we must be docile to Bp. Fellay."

    Says who?

    As far as I'm concerned, Fellay is not the Holy Ghost but NeoSSPX has already canonized him!




    Bp. Fellay can't serve two masters.
    Its very obvious that the "Holy Ghost" left him after he allied himself with newChurch's judeo-freemasons.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 02:14:43 PM »
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  • I recently watched a true story video about a man who escaped from Cuba during the height of Castro’s crackdown.  Afterwards, I found myself comparing this to the SSPX actions that I’m reading about on a daily basis: secrecy, control, and intimidation tactics.  It appears that denying the sacraments is escalating – first the Dominicans and Capuchins and now individuals, because they don’t agree with +Fellay.  I again ask: where does he get the right to deny sacraments to the faithful? Can any priest just decide to refuse Holy Communion and not give absolution to someone he doesn’t personally like? This is what +Fellay through Father Couture did to Father Pfeiffer and Father Chazal in Asia.  What about the lady in Mexico that was put out of her parish for having Father Cardonza over night, is she still out of her parish?  This is getting more and more crazy!  :sad:

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    « Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 02:18:10 PM »
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  • My understanding, can dney only if someone is in mortal sin and priest knows it-ie, pro-abort politician, active homo,etc....
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    « Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 02:31:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    My understanding, can dney only if someone is in mortal sin and priest knows it-ie, pro-abort politician, active homo,etc....


    It may not be pleasant to think about, but if the priest knows a man is an active homo, but it isn't publicly known, he CAN'T deny him communion.

    Only a notorious public sinner can be denied Holy Communion.
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    « Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 02:41:51 PM »
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  • On that basis then, were the Dominicans and Capuchins “notorious public sinners”?  What about Fathers Chazal and Pfeiffer – public sinners??  Also, what about the lady in Mexico and the firefighter with the website – all notorious public sinners???  Who gets to decide that?

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    « Reply #12 on: October 01, 2012, 03:48:35 PM »
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    On that basis then, were the Dominicans and Capuchins “notorious public sinners”?  What about Fathers Chazal and Pfeiffer – public sinners??  Also, what about the lady in Mexico and the firefighter with the website – all notorious public sinners???  Who gets to decide that?


    Well stated. It certainly doesn't do Bishop Fellay and his gang any favours.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 01, 2012, 08:41:44 PM »
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  • That reminds me of that novus ordo incident in Washington DC whn the priest denied communion to lesbian budist gay rights activist..she then went inot another line and received communion from woman eucharistic minister.  

    Priest was removed from diocese..


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    « Reply #14 on: October 02, 2012, 10:51:43 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    That reminds me of that novus ordo incident in Washington DC [when] the priest denied communion to lesbian [Buddhist] gay rights activist..she then went [into] another line and received communion from [a] woman Eucharistic minister.  

    Priest was removed from diocese..





    Well there's our answer, then - just go to the diocese parish for Confession!

    They won't refuse anyone! Or the priest will be "removed."





    Oh, wait - that only works for pagans, perverts and apostates.  Trads are off
    limits for their "mercy."





    Years ago, I went to a diocese "Reconciliation" room, and told the priest I
    had gone to a "Traditional Mass in the old rite."  He blustered and said I had
    committed a "mortal sin."  This was before Summorum Pontificum.  Then I
    explained it was an Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy.  Suddenly he changed his
    tune, and got all calm and tolerant.  It was not even a venial sin to assist at an
    Orthodox Divine Liturgy!  (He was reluctant to accept the word, "venial" as a
    modifier for sin, but when I repeated the word, he capitulated, as if he would
    be "nice" to this guy who's obviously stuck in the 50's or something like that.)  

    That told me  everything I needed to know.  I haven't been back to a diocese
    priest since then.










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