[Amicus24]

[MaterDominici]

Updated 7/8/2012

Clarification: These priests have all publicly acted on our behalf by in some way publicly opposing the actions of Menzingen towards regularization.

Note: Please contact me privately (or post in the thread) if you have the contact info for any priest on this list. While it is probably best not to post the specific information at this point, in the case of a priest being expelled or the SSPX breaking apart, we will quickly be able to get in contact with these priests and coordinate where they are and what they need.

1). Fr. Ernesto Cardozo (Currently in Mexico) – Contact Info Available

2). Fr. Gabriel Grosso (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out

3). Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz (Italy) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available

4). Fr. Basilio Meramo (Colombia) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out - Contact Info Available

5). Fr. Francis Chazal (Philippines)

6). Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available

7). Fr. Paul Morgan (UK)

8). His Lordship, Bishop Richard Williamson (UK) - Contact Info Available

9). Fr. Juan Carlos Ceriani (Argentina) - Expelled for criticism of sell-out

10). Fr. Juan Jose Turco (Argentina) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out

11). Fr. Curzio Notiglia (Italy) - Contact Info Available

12). Fr. Joven Soliman (Philippines) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out - Contact Info Available

13). Mosteiro de Santa Cruz (Brazil) - (Benedictines attached to SSPX) - Contact Info Available

14). Fr. Jean de Morgon (OFM Cap) (Aurenque, France)

15). Traditional Capuchins of Morgon, France

16). Fr. Xavier Beauvais (France)

17). Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer (Philippines) - Contact Info Available

18). Fr. Patrick Girouard (Vancouver, Canada)

19). His Excellency, Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (France)

20). Fr. A (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contacted

21). Fr. B (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contact Info Available

22). Fr. C (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contact Info Available

23). Fr. Michel Koller (France)

24). Fr. David Hewko (USA)

25). Fr. Eric Jacqmin (Belgium)

26). Fr. D (Name withheld for now) (Germany) - Contact Info Available

27). Fr. Damien Fox (Canada)

28). Fr. Charles Moulin (France) (Did not warn against the regularization, but expressed support for Bishop Williamson and urged him to attend the General Chapter in spite of Menzingen's public ban on his attendance and removal from the Chapter)

29). Fr. Matthew Clifton (United Kingdom)

30). Fr. Anton Trinh (USA) - Left due to disagreement with sell-out - Contact Info Available

31). Traditional Dominicans of Avrille, France (France) – Contact Info Available

Fr. Matthew Clifton?
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Letter-to-Fr-Thouvenot

[bvmknight]

Cross off number 25.  He said that he wouldn't have asked Fr. Hewko to give his sermon if he had known what he was going to say.  He said you have to follow your general, that he was sorry the letters got leaked, etc etc   Still pray for him and all, but I don't know if he belongs on this list with priests who stood up for the fight.  Disappointing.

[Amicus24]

bvmknight, thanks for the info.  I think this just illustrates that we should be mindful of not being overzealous in adding priests to this list.  Fr. Reuter never said anything himself and I never should have added him in the first place, regardless of what having Fr. Hewko give that sermon seemed to suggest.  This list isn't about giving accolades or compliments, but rather to spiritually support priests who have made it clear by their own statements that they are protecting our souls, come what may and in so doing, have put themselves at risk to some degree, who knows how much.  Private comments and things that seem to suggest a viewpoint are not really germane here.  Sorry for jumping to conclusions here.  Even if Fr. Reuter did actually agree with Fr. Hewko, simply having him give the sermon wouldn't really be relevant to this prayer list.

[KyrieEleison]

I haven't been here in a while and just now saw this written by Amicus24 I think-

"On a side note, and I am not singling you out, but I think we traditional Catholics ought to be very mindful not to allow our own terminology to each other to devolve into worldly rudeness. To use words like "disingenuous" and state that the list has not been "honest" simply should have no place among us. There is a very great difference to the fraternal charity we are supposed to have as Catholics between saying "disingenuous", on the one hand, and "inaccurate in my opinion" or "inadvisable" or "counter-productive" and so forth on the other hand. One questions the honesty, honor and intentions of people and that is not conducive to the kind of spirit we should foster between us. "

I apologize and agree to what you wrote here.
Better wording could have been used on my part. Thank you for your charity and understanding.

[1531]

Both Amicus24 and KyrieEleison have expressed the right sentiments. I, for one, very much hope that CathInfo continues, even if there is a split, sadly, but it will provide us with a valuable source of contacts for the 'dark' days ahead. We may well become fragmented around the world and may well need a truly traditional webpage to keep in touch and get important contact information that we can use as to traditional mass centres, traditional priests, etc.
Well done CathInfo for providing this forum, and thank you! God bless you.

[Ferdinand]

Is there any clergy worth their salt (i.e. faithful to +ABL) in St. Mary's?    

While unlikely (as they would have spoken up already), it would be nice to add someone stationed in Kansas to the list as it would be a consolation to the American faithful.

[Ecclesia Militans]

Please pray for Fr. Damien Fox.  It was publicly announced yesterday from the pulpit by Fr. Jurgen Wegner (SSPX Canadian District Superior) that he will be transferred from Toronto to St. Cesaire in Quebec.

[Belloc]

Perhaps, pray for ALL, instead of dividing into A vs B, a marxist technique......pray that Menizgen does the right thing, regardless of cost...and for both "sides".

Interesting how man wants to have a A vs B, a basic need to have an enemy to hate.......

[AntiFellayism]

Perhaps, pray for ALL, instead of dividing into A vs B, a marxist technique......pray that Menizgen does the right thing, regardless of cost...and for both "sides".

Interesting how man wants to have a A vs B, a basic need to have an enemy to hate.......

What a load of baloney!

Would you accuse Hilaire Belloc for his courage in standing up against and repeatedly attacking the enemies of the Church in his time (including the warm-kind within), of telling unpleasant truths about society's slide into decadence against the prevailing mood of optimism??

Would you also please apply your marxist technique to the person who has excluded our senior bishop, persecuted our holy priests, sabotaged our religious orders, cuddled with VII and embraced Religious Liberty, so you can find out the logical result you're missing??

We should still pray for traitors but specially for the faithful!!!

Let's have that distinction clear because it is of the most importance in our times.

[Belloc]

baloney, has it occured to you the divide into 2 camps and conquer seems to be going on here??? creating false fights to divide? Interesting, they could not kill the SSPX, now all of sudden, a fissure...not say people in Society not obeying the dividers, but one shuold not be quick to condemn to hell Fellay and others outright.....or call them traitors, even......the idea-get people into camps, pick them off 1 by one,etc.........a lot of time wasted too on in-fighting.....but yes, too many seem willing to do the dirty work, tis true.....

[Maria Auxiliadora]

Perhaps, pray for ALL, instead of dividing into A vs B, a marxist technique......pray that Menizgen does the right thing, regardless of cost...and for both "sides".

Interesting how man wants to have a A vs B, a basic need to have an enemy to hate.......

What a load of baloney!

Would you accuse Hilaire Belloc for his courage in standing up against and repeatedly attacking the enemies of the Church in his time (including the warm-kind within), of telling unpleasant truths about society's slide into decadence against the prevailing mood of optimism??

Would you also please apply your marxist technique to the person who has excluded our senior bishop, persecuted our holy priests, sabotaged our religious orders, cuddled with VII and embraced Religious Liberty, so you can find out the logical result you're missing??

We should still pray for traitors but specially for the faithful!!!

Let's have that distinction clear because it is of the most importance in our times.

AntiFellayism,

Conservatives such as Belloc hide behind names of great men to dignify their balony! He and others such as "Secretman" on Angelqueen have for many years paid lip service to the SSPX. They were the ones posting all kind of anti-SSPX articles  to get peoples reaction. I tried to warm Angelqueen about them. I did a search of their posts on AQ and found most of them to be in the Diocese of hαɾɾιsburg. They do the dirty work for the dioceses and are extremely anti SSPX except that now they are counting on +Fellay to save their reform by bringing the SSPX into "full communion" and into the RR. Should + Fellay (who they just found a new love for) fail to bring the SSPX to Rome, they will despise him again.
Nothing they would like better than the SSPX to go to pieces, unless, that is, + Fellay can deliver it as a whole.

[Amicus24]

Greetings in Christ, Belloc,

Perhaps it would be fitting, if you are interested in discussing things like this, if you didn't "dislike" a post.  I know that this is a part of the site, but it isn't something that I think promotes brotherhood among the members of the group.  It seems particularly out of place considering the tenor of your points.

Perhaps it would also be fitting if you did not label a simple list of priests to pray for as being something that calls for anyone to go to Hell or urging people to not pray for any other priests.  Again, I find that a paradox in your comments.

To the contrary of your claims, I and most everyone who opposes regularization I am sure, completely agrees with you that we should pray for all our traditional priests and we should not condemn anyone to Hell.  I don't believe anyone has done this that I have read nor advocated that we oughtn't pray for those priests who are pursuing regularization.

That said, it seems perfectly reasonable to remember especially and with greatest devotion in our prayers those priests who are opposing the sell-out.  The reasons for this are perfectly unassailable:

1).  We pray for them especially because they are risking and in many cases actually suffering persecution from their superiors for their position.  This is not something that can be said about those who are supporting regularization, as they are the ones with the power doing the persecuting

2).  We pray for them especially because they are defending us from something that we believe would hurt our souls.  You may not agree (I don't know if you do or not) that regularization would hurt our souls, but many of us do.  

3).  We pray for them especially because they are not the ones who are trying to divide the SSPX.  They did not banish and persecute the senior Bishop.  They did not expel any priests for merely voicing the exact words of Archbishop Lefebvre and the official position that Bishop Fellay once had.  They did not make a complete 180 on their position.

Now, I have a challenge for you, Belloc.  I would appreciate if you answered these questions, based on the recent exposed letter of Fr. Thouvenot:

1).  Do you believe that it would help souls our hurt souls for the SSPX to be limited to where they can preach the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ?

2).  Do you believe that it would help souls or hurt souls for the SSPX priests to be under the authority of pederast and pederast protecting diocesan ordinaries.

3).  Do you believe that it would help souls or hurt souls for a portion of your donations to go to the support of the dioceses, who use a large portion of their monies for legal cases defending pedophiles, for private investigators to discredit victims and for real estate marketers to tear down churches and sell church properties?

4).  Do you believe that it would help or hurt souls that the SSPX not continue to have their own ecclesiastical tribunals?

5).  Do you believe that it would help or hurt souls for the local diocesan ordinary to be able to use SSPX properties for any function he might wish?

6).  Do you believe that the structure established by the terms of this letter will make SSPX priests more likely or less likely to criticize modernism?

7).  Do you believe that the structure established by the terms of this letter will make families and children more likely or less likely to see Modernism, the Novus Ordo and Vatican II as evil?

I hope and pray you will answer these questions.  I do not make any assumptions about what your answers are, though I admit I wonder why a person in good will would use the rhetoric you did to refer to this very simple list of priests to pray for.  

[Belloc]

will recuse myself from further SSPX controversies whenever possible, then and just pray for those opposing reunion. Let me know when those stones are available to pillory Fellay with.....

It does seem Fellay is bowing to pressures and too quick to make freinds and make nice with Rome......

that said, I will recuse myself further and pray for Church in general.......hence, no further need to discuss the issue of talks......

thank you for the time you spent in my behalf and the respectful and manly approach, very welcomed  :cheers: instead of lashing out  :really-mad2: :argue:

[Amicus24]

will recuse myself from further SSPX controversies whenever possible, then and just pray for those opposing reunion. Let me know when those stones are available to pillory Fellay with.....

It does seem Fellay is bowing to pressures and too quick to make freinds and make nice with Rome......

that said, I will recuse myself further and pray for Church in general.......hence, no further need to discuss the issue of talks......

thank you for the time you spent in my behalf and the respectful and manly approach, very welcomed  :cheers: instead of lashing out  :really-mad2: :argue:

Dear Belloc, this is the kind of very concerning behavior that others have noted, i.e. avoiding questions and simply spreading false rhetoric.  I am not saying that I know you are intentionally being deceitful but there is a particular pattern of facts that is very troubling:

1).  You apply exaggerated rhetoric to describe a simple call to pray for anti-regularization priests.

2).  It is reiterated to you that this is not an accurate representation of anyone's position.

3).  You are challenged to answer a few simple questions

4).  You proceed to not answer them and again use the same rhetoric (pillory Fellay, etc).

This is straight out of the Cass Sunstein handbook of creating cognitive dissonance.  I'm not saying you are a government operative (although, who knows?)  But, I am saying, for your benefit if you are a traditional Catholic who cares about his eternal salvation, that what you are doing when you come here and inaccurately label our position in an inflammatory way and continue to do so despite being shown that it is inaccurate is, whether you intend to or not, a serious deceit.  It is a lie that serves the purpose of making your targets seem over-radicalized and so, marginalized and on the defensive.  Again, this is all the exact strategy advocated by Cass Sunstein to neutralize unfavorable opinions in the public.  

This is why it would be reasonable to believe that you MAY BE an employed shill for a diocese or Menzingen.  But, my guess is that you are simply an indultarian traditional Catholic supporter of regularization.  If you are, I again challenge you, answer the questions I posed.  If you choose not to, you ought to seriously inspect your soul and think:

"Why am I trying to label people dishonestly?  Why do I think the ends justify the means?  Would Jesus Christ falsely label people in this way?  Would St. Peter refuse to answer these questions?"

I hope you will respond.  If you are a traditional Catholic, you don't need to go down this road.  You don't need to resort to dishonesty.  That is the true Satanic influence afflicting the SSPX.  People on the pro-regularization end of things (including Fellay himself) resorting to deceit, entrapment, bullying and all manner of unbecoming behavior to silence and marginalize dissent.

If you believe the pro-regularization answer to the questions I posed is the correct one, then so be it.  You have to support what you believe is best for your soul.  But, if that is the case, answer that way and support your position with your reasons and arguments.  Just don't hide from the questions and fire dishonesty and exaggeration like a hidden sniper.  

Please, with God as my Divine Witness, do not think I say any of this with anger or malice.  If you are an honest traditional Catholic, I have great compassion for you.  For, you have been twisted into a position that cannot be anything but harmful for your soul.  Don't let that happen.  Let Yes be yes and no be no; be honest and deal honestly with your fellow Catholics.  If you and yours continue your pattern of sliding down the Machiavellian ends justify the means road, this whole situation could slide out of control.