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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #85 on: April 21, 2022, 01:02:35 PM »
Sean, your article uses "recreational use" in it's title, but then later on, it discusses an additional category of "casual use". 
1) I'll bet that their "recreational use" is not the same as your definition.  That is, their "recreational use" means getting high, which further means that, yes, the health risks for getting high 1-2x a week are VERY serious, just like having 4-5 drinks a few times a week will damage your liver over time.

2) "casual use" is probably more in line with catholic teaching...or...it means someone who only uses pot once every few months.  ??  Who knows.

3)  Point being, how do they define "recreational" vs "casual"?  If you asked 100 people, you'd get 100 different answers.  You can't cite an article and assume they mean what you mean, especially a "science loving" org who isn't catholic.

Hi Pax-

I think they're using the terms "recreational" and "casual" interchangeably.  

But I'm not sure the frequency standard you are considering would be a reliable moral gauge, because even if you only got drunk one time in your life (or high), it would still be a sin.

If that is conceded, then the definitional poblem you are raising vanishes.

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #86 on: April 21, 2022, 01:06:21 PM »

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I think they're using the terms "recreational" and "casual" interchangeably.  
That's a guess because the article doesn't say.  Scientific articles don't change words "just because".

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But I'm not sure the frequency standard you are considering would be a reliable moral gauge, because even if you only got drunk one time in your life (or high), it would still be a sin.
The frequency standard is related to the HEALTH RISKS, which is the point of the article you posted.  Your whole argument is health related, so frequency absolutely matters.  That's why the terms "recreational" vs "casual" matters, in regards to frequency. 




Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #87 on: April 21, 2022, 01:28:53 PM »
As I said previously, I'm all ears awaiting the introduction of a rational principle that would make different considerations apply to marijuana than to alcohol (apart from extrinsic considerations such as legality, etc.).  I have never used pot, and therefore have no horse in this race.  I did not find the "food stuff" argument by the Novus Ordo "theologian" at all convincing (not to mention that marijuana can be and has been consumed as a food).  I don't find that relevant to its morality.  Even the question of benefit vs. potential harm is somewhat peripheral (and is medically debated) and is more a practical concern (such as what one might have with cigarette smoking, etc.).

I'm pretty sure that if big pharma isolated THC, put it in tiny doses in some kind of pill, combined it with one or two other ingredients, called it something else, and marketed it for its therapeutic effects, it would therefore somehow get "sanitized" and made acceptable in many people's minds.  I feel that this is all about perception, with people having visions of college students sitting around a bong getting high.  No one here has ever said that was permissible and not a grave sin.  I see no difference in taking small amounts of THC and, say, taking a Xanax for anxiety, simply because the latter was developed by big pharma in a lab.
B.S. - I've posted articles by the SSPX and can just Google "Catholic marijuana" and post Catholic articles by the 100's, meanwhile in all of Lent and now this week all you post in the same personal interpretation of Jone. YOU have NOTHING from any Catholic source, just your own convenient interpretation. All one has to do is ask any trad priest if they could smoke marijuana and they'll be told the same as Fr. Scott wrote, "no you can't smoke marijuana, what planet are you from?".

Marijuana smoking is a scandal and harmful to the family, any Catholic knows that. Why don't you tell your parents and your children that you have decided to smoke marijuana and see what happens. You are a total idiot when it comes to dealing with the real world, you can only play in the speculative relm where there are no consequence and no correct complete answer (like your ad-nauseum lecturing on the 57 flavors of whether the pope is the pope or not. ).


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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #88 on: April 21, 2022, 01:32:00 PM »
Jone and the other 2 moral theologians require no interpretation.  What they say is pretty clear, you just don't like it (or can't understand it).  Life is not "black or white"; that's childish...

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #89 on: April 21, 2022, 01:35:28 PM »

The article is a poor attempt to make an unpleasant issue go away. Who are the “moralists” it cites? We’ve dug up pre-v2 imprimatured theologians. Some of them have outstanding reputations. The application of Catholic moral principles seems to unanimously suggest getting high = getting drunk. What is the problem here? Do we not hate the same thing as the other side on this argument?

What authority does the SSPX even have? Only what you give it. I’d expect mental deficiencies such as this from Fisheaters, but it is surprising to find it from those who understand the authority crisis that Catholics have been dealing with for at least 5 decades. 

I think there are quite a few Trads getting lost in woods. I recommend exercising some Charity, slowing down, and researching what the Church always taught (duh?) before throwing around calumnies, suspecting people of being Jews, and literally sniffing out potheads at Church. Not only are the rigorists (a condemned moral theory by the way) apparently wrong on this, but the manner in which they’ve guided this “debate” is also wrong. Time to take a break, sheath your ridiculous pride and go pray for some humility and magnanimity.