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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2022, 10:33:08 AM »

Stereotypes are true, more often than not. Or the stereotypes wouldn't "have legs" -- they wouldn't last and persist like cockroaches.
Blacks DO like fried chicken and basketball. Irish DO like to drink and fight. Germans ARE very detail oriented and make good engineers. Italians DO tend towards art.

Are stereotypes about pot smokers true?

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2022, 10:35:16 AM »
Sean, the issue of "health" is WAY too subjective for this topic.  Some people can use asprin; some will die.  Some people can eat nuts; some will die.  Etc, etc.

Commercially, chemically infused tobacco cigarettes are FAR MORE dangerous than natural tobacco cigs.  You can get organic weed...haha.


Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2022, 10:39:21 AM »
Where did I say that?  You do realize that saying something is not, in and of itself, an evil is not the same as saying it is, in and of itself, a good or virtuous thing?

You have a notable tendency to (intentionally?) frame your questions in a way that distorts the actual discussion.  This helps no one, although it might make you feel clever.

Considering religious have taken vows that tend toward perfection, it seems reasonable to think such behaviors are inconsistent with the singular goal they, by solemn profession, are pursuing.

Yes, I ask probing questions to further discussion and dig for deeper truth.  I think asking questions is a good thing.

Yes, what you are saying is correct.  If something in itself is not evil it may not be good or virtuous and it may be ill advised in different circuмstances especially if it can be a stumbling block to others.  This is what St Paul was advising.

So religious are called to higher standards.  Are parents also called to higher standards?  Are teachers?  Are Catholics in the world?

Just some things to consider.


Offline Mark 79

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2022, 10:50:40 AM »
1) As Rochefoucald has observed, several posts have heavily implied support for recreational use.  Perhaps they were disingenuous, and/or taunting their adversaries, but to clear up any confusion, I posted the article. 

If nobody here is advocating recreational use, it’s difficult to understand Ladislaus’s repeated example of microdosing not being sinful (which seems to have no other purpose than to “prove” small amounts can be taken -even recreationally- without sin).

Even if that is conceded, see #2 below...

The obvious (?) parodies in the "pot roast" thread are exactly that, parodies. Those who have posted such parodies have explicitly, meticulously, and annotatedly spoken against MJ use beyond what is allowed according the Catholic moral theology.

Yet, even today, the straw man carciatures are still painted by the usual suspects.



2) “practically very rare” (ie., that a pot user avoids the stultifying effects of MJ) is exactly accurate, not a “red flag” as you seem to think.  It clearly means that, unlike alcohol use, 1-2 puffs of weed are taken precisely to produce -and not avoid- this effect (and in fact, that effect is almost always produced).  Again, Ladislaus had to go all the way to “microdosing” to avoid recognizing that fact.

Common, not "particularly rare." Because of my 12 year advocacy of appropriate medical usage, I have met and spoken in detail with several hundred (?thousand?) patients who have explicitly stated their careful titration of MJ dosing.

The most typical statement is, "I used to use 90-120mg morphine equivalents*** of OxyIR and OxyContin every day until I switched to one puff of 'indica' in the morning and at night. I was incapacitated from most work and home life while on Oxy, but now am able to function well at home and work. No impairment at all."

***A patient's life is at risk and a doctors' medical license is at risk when prescribing exceeds 40-60 M.E. per day.

I recall similar statements from numerous asthma and mutiple sclerosis patients.

These medical observations inform my tolerance, not advocacy, of social MJ use. It is not merely a hypothetical fiction, but an absolute reality that many people can and do titrate dosing, "micro-dosing" as Lad docuмents.


3) Mark79 is looking at the issue from the vantage of medicinal benefit, and in that regard he seems to have some knowledge.  But from the moral perspective, I’m sure he would not presume to know more about morals that traditional priests.  But in any case, the article is not discussing medicinal use.

I repeat, my medical observations inform my tolerance, not advocacy, of social MJ use.

I have been referred several suffering parishioners by traditional priests who do understand and apply the relevant Catholic moral theology.

Of course I keep this low profile. I choose to avoid and choose to help those priests avoid the rabid lunacy of the ignorati such as we have seen here.


Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2022, 10:57:32 AM »
The obvious (?) parodies in the "pot roast" thread are exactly that, parodies. Those who have posted such parodies have explicitly, meticulously, and annotatedly spoken against MJ use beyond what is allowed according the Catholic moral theology.

Yet, even today, the straw man carciatures are still painted by the usual suspects.


Common, not "particularly rare." Because of my 12 year advocacy of appropriate medical usage, I have met and spoken in detail with several hundred (?thousand?) patients who have explicitly stated their careful titration of MJ dosing.

The most typical statement is, "I used to use 90-120mg morphine equivalents*** of OxyIR and OxyContin every day until I switched to one puff of 'indica' in the morning and at night. I was incapacitated from most work and home life while on Oxy, but now am able to function well at home and work. No impairment at all."

***A patient's life is at risk and a doctors' medical license is at risk when prescribing exceeds 40-60 M.E. per day.

I recall similar statements from numerous asthma and mutiple sclerosis patients.

These medical observations inform my tolerance, not advocacy, of social MJ use. It is not merely a hypothetical fiction, but an absolute reality that many people can and do titrate dosing, "micro-dosing" as Lad docuмents.

I repeat, my medical observations inform my tolerance, not advocacy, of social MJ use.

I have been referred several suffering parishioners by traditional priests who do understand and apply the relevant Catholic moral theology.

Of course I keep this low profile. I choose to avoid and choose to help those priests avoid the rabid lunacy of the ignorati such as we have seen here.

Just wanted to reiterate, that we are not discussing medicinal use of MJ.