Author Topic: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful (Read 30455 times)

Matthew · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2022, 10:13:05 AM »

Quote from: Miser Peccator on April 21, 2022, 09:58:58 AM

More to ponder with regards to the sin of scandal:

Would it be okay for a priest to roll a low dose joint at a social event? Not to get high but just to relax and help with his anxiety and back pain?

How about nuns?

I was going to bring this up in the vulgar language thread as well. If there is nothing wrong with vulgar language and it's a necessary evil to wake people up, shouldn't priests start to employ its use regularly?

And the nuns as well...

Passing gas isn't a venial sin, but it would be ill advised for any priest to eat choice foods in advance, and then let a loud one rip on purpose.

It's more about social mores, politeness, decent behavior, dignity, etc. than a question of sin.

I would submit that 100% of these people would be scandalized *just as much* or 99% as much by those same priests/nuns lighting up a regular cigarette. And so...

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2022, 10:14:16 AM »

Quote from: SperaInDeo on April 21, 2022, 09:57:48 AM

Good. You should extend your Cathinfo fast through Pentecost. And while you’re waiting, buy this one (it’s very cheap) and read the section on intemperance:

https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/edward-farrell-and-charles-callan-and-john-mchugh/moral-theology/paperback/product-5j9rnz.html?page=1&pageSize=4

Jone, Prummer, and McHugh’s Moral Theology all say the same thing. You’re beaten.

Can you quote the parts where they specifically address the morality of recreational use of Marijuana?

”No Sean, they just lay out the principles which pertain to intoxication.”

OK, then (leaving aside the insufficiency and error of those who have limited their moral conclusions by only addressing the issue of intoxication), here’s an article for you addressing the morality of recreational MJ use according to the principles of St. Thomas Aquinas (discussing both the matter of intoxication, as well as additional morally aggravating circuмstances):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5102207/

Introductory excerpt:

Abstract

Several empirical studies suggest that recreational marijuana is popularly perceived as an essentially harmless rite of passage that ends as young people settle into their careers and their adult intimate relationships. Is this perception accurate? To answer this question, we evaluate the morality of recreational marijuana use from a virtue perspective guided by the theological synthesis of St. Thomas Aquinas. Since the medical data reveals that recreational marijuana use is detrimental to the well-being of the user, we conclude that it is a vicious activity, an instance of the vice of intoxication, and as such would be morally illicit.

Lay summary
In contrast to its medical use, the recreational use of marijuana cannot be justified for at least three reasons. First, as scientists have amply docuмented, it harms the organic functioning of the human body. Second, it impedes our ability to reason and in so doing does harm to us. Finally, it has lasting detrimental effects on the user and his neighbor, even when it occurs in a casual setting. Intoxication is always contrary to the integral good of the person. Thus, the use of marijuana is never warranted even for good, non-medical reasons.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2022, 10:16:16 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on April 21, 2022, 09:52:44 AM

I don't think I'm being unreasonable, as if I'm erecting some kind of strawman. Because certain persons are IN FACT using terms like "doper" and "pothead" which *certainly* implies not only excessive, free, unrestricted use of pot, but also the entire corresponding (libertine, licentious) lifestyle as well. THAT is what I was denying: we don't have any actual "potheads" on CathInfo. Nor anyone truly promoting the stuff for "fun" or "recreational" use aside from "roscoe".

And no, intellectual discussions about theoretical justified use for non-medicinal purposes is NOT the same thing.

What you have in bold here just isn't sinking in for some reason.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2022, 10:17:07 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2022, 07:20:06 AM

Excerpt from a 2019 SSPX article (Note this article discusses recreational use, not medical use):

Is Using Marijuana a Sin?
The primary effect of the THC is to induce the “high,” and it is practically very rare that one could effectively avoid the stultifying effects of the drug.
For all of the above reasons – that is, impairing of the ability to think and judge properly, damage to the brain, fleeing from reality, unknown physical or psychosomatic effects, difficulty in dosing - moralists conclude that, even though the use of marijuana does not entirely totally suppress the use of reason, it is certainly gravely imprudent to use it.
Thus, the deliberate use of marijuana for recreational purposes is a mortal sin.“

https://florida.sspx.org/en/news-events/news/get-pot-just-say-no-47742

So, a single "primary" false premise is spun hysterically into a plural, "all the above reasons."

And from that false premise—a gratuitous denial of dose titration—the entire pseudo-syllogism falls.

Please add the rejection of pre-Vatican II moral theology to "As We Are."

Matthew · « **Reply #39 on:** April 21, 2022, 10:19:29 AM »

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Since the medical data reveals that recreational marijuana use is detrimental to the well-being of the user, we conclude that it is a vicious activity,

Sean, here is where I'd attack this article. I don't trust the premise.

"Medical data" also showed that wearing masks was a good idea, the Jab decreased COVID transmission, vaccines are safe...

Need I go on?

Whose medical data? Maybe studies funded by Big Tobacco, defending their turf against the competition?

Let's just say I'm suspicious. Because more recent "medical data" seems to suppose the opposite conclusion. Or else you wouldn't *have* medical dispensaries of marijuana. Medicinal pot wouldn't be a thing -- it would be an oxymoron.

Mark79?

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