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Offline Matthew

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2022, 09:35:03 AM »
I hold that pot has a worse reputation, more avoidance/mistrust, etc. than it deserves.

Meanwhile, man-made chemical drugs developed and produced by Big Pharma have *way* more respect and trust than they deserve.

If your mother or Grandma had a few bottles of Big Pharma wares on her counter, you wouldn't bat an eye. But if she had medicinal pot, it would be completely different. 
Why is that? Totally irrational.

All the evidence points to the dangers of Big Pharma and great benefits from natural remedies, including medicinal pot.

Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2022, 09:35:13 AM »
How much is required to produce the same effect is entirely irrelevant to the discussion of the principle ... that's merely a practical consideration.  It only "heavily implies" anything due to the thick skulls and lack of intellectual capacity of some involved in the debate.

[Whatever the amount is ...] to produce a similar level of impairment as [whatever amount of alcohol] doesn't really matter.  What matter is the level of impairment of the higher faculties and a justification is required proportional to the level of impairment.

That’s part of my argument:

The impairment of the faculties is significantly higher in 1-2 puffs of MJ, than in 1-2 beers (and therefore the argument they amount to the same level of impairment is false.  But that is precisely the argument some have made.

Note, however, the level of impairment is not the only cause of sinfulness (contrary to what you said above).


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2022, 09:36:37 AM »
By law, commercial beer does not have to list all the chemicals contained/used to produce said beer.  Some in the industry have anonymously stated that up to 100 different chemicals are used (and still remain) in most commercial beers.  Commercially produced spirits also have high amounts of sulfur and commercial wine uses high amounts of sulfites, both of which have been scientifically studied to cause heart and liver issues.

Most all commercially produced products (even soap) contain harsh chemicals, many of which cause cancer.  How about pesticides and food?  Or the dangers of plastics?  Let's not introduce chemicals/poisons into the argument or else we couldn't walk into a walmart...

Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2022, 09:38:38 AM »
Yeah, I tried to elicit a definition (in Catholic terms) of "recreation" on the other thread ... and it was all in vain.  These people aren't interested in a rational discussion or debate.  They simply emote, huff and puff, use personal attacks, even to the point of slandering those who disagree with them by propping up a strawman position.

As usual, your own comments condemn you.  Nobody else in this thread is exhibiting the behavior you are describing.

Offline Yeti

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2022, 09:41:06 AM »
The use of marijuana or other narcotics has been discussed by every single moral theologian, and they all gave the same answer, namely that the sinfulness of its use is the same as for that of alcohol.

There is not one single moral theologian that anyone has produced here who said that all recreational use of non-alcohol drugs is always mortally sinful. People have quoted Jone and Prummer, but they are only giving the consensus opinion. NO ONE on the other side has produced a single pre-Vatican II theology book that says all usage of marijuana is sinful. I would really like to see such a quote if it exists, though I'm fairly certain it doesn't.

As Catholics we are supposed to learn what is right and wrong from theologians, not our own opinions.

Every action is presumed to be licit unless the contrary is proved. People asking for a Catholic source saying that using marijuana is okay are making the wrong argument.

No simple priest, SSPX or otherwise, has any right to say that the unanimous opinion of theologians is wrong in allowing the recreational use of drugs if it does not impair the use of reason.