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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #120 on: April 21, 2022, 08:14:09 PM »
Idiotic.  According to the articles, many people are microdosing, to get the benefits of THC without the high (e.g. to help them be more productive at work ... where you can't actually get high without risk of being fired).  And the micro-dosers typically do not smoke but use tinctures that have properly measured and dosed amounts so they can control exactly how much you get.  Most people who use pot do so to get high, but your "nobody smokes weed not to get high" is just more madeup nonsense.  Your anecdotal "nobody", again, has nothing to do with the moral issues under discussion here.

https://tinyurl.com/2p86sk28
Once again your micro-dosing article like everything that Mark79 posts is of the world, not a one about recreational use of MJ, not a one written by a Catholic talking about the morality of recreational use. You know nothing of the real world, you can only write in the speculative realm where there are no repercussions. Everything you write about recreational use of MJ is just about saving face seeking a way around "being a sin". "If one does not get high it is not a sin". That is all you have left to hang on to. Moreover, all your articles are from the same sources as covid shots, the world and not the Church. You have fallen hook line and sinker for the idea that science just discovered this snake oil, Marijuana, that cures just about everything. Follow the money, it is all funded by the same people as the Covid shots/"pandemic". I am talking about recreational use of marijuana and you keep bringing in secular articles about unproven medical use.

Where are Mark79's children in all of this, how have they faired using his "discoveries" the last 3 years? No answer. Well, it is where your children will be if you follow him. The blind leading the blind. 

Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #121 on: April 21, 2022, 08:25:17 PM »
I missed 9 pages of fun?
Darn! :laugh1:


Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #122 on: April 21, 2022, 08:27:15 PM »
Excerpt from a 2019 SSPX article (Note this article discusses recreational use, not medical use):

Is Using Marijuana a Sin?
The primary effect of the THC is to induce the “high,” and it is practically very rare that one could effectively avoid the stultifying effects of the drug.
For all of the above reasons – that is, impairing of the ability to think and judge properly, damage to the brain, fleeing from reality, unknown physical or psychosomatic effects, difficulty in dosing - moralists conclude that, even though the use of marijuana does not entirely totally suppress the use of reason, it is certainly gravely imprudent to use it.
Thus, the deliberate use of marijuana for recreational purposes is a mortal sin.“


https://florida.sspx.org/en/news-events/news/get-pot-just-say-no-47742
I would like to know who wrote this.

Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #123 on: April 21, 2022, 08:34:54 PM »
1. No one on CathInfo.com has posted anything promoting Marijuana for recreational use (aside from "roscoe", who interestingly hasn't been posting in these threads! Has he?) But at any rate, talking about recreational use being a mortal sin is a non-issue. No one disputes that here. It is a red herring.

2. This article seems to be highly influenced by Fr. Scott's article from the 90's. Using phrases like "practically very rare" is a red flag -- it's the kind of vague language used by someone who hasn't studied the issue very deeply and frankly has few facts to offer. I know that is the language *I* would use if I were short on scientific data and hard facts.

I didn't hear about CBD oil back in the 90's. Nor were there so many varieties of pot, with varying levels of THC. Growers have almost total control over the final product now, it seems.

I would also be willing to entertain the notion that Mark79, who has done quite a bit of research, actually knows MORE about the issue than many ordained SSPX priests with 6 years of Trad seminary formation under their belts. Sometimes a priest has to humble himself (at least in one limited area), giving place to a layman in certain matters of science, business, etc. At the very least, an individual priest is NOT infallible, nor is he the final word on the matter!

6 years in the seminary, and the priestly character received at Ordination, elevates a man above other laymen in certain areas and in certain ways -- but not in all areas. A professional engineer knows WAY more about design than most priests. Which makes sense: he studied engineering for 6 years, instead of the Faith, theology, and philosophy.
I am absolutely in favor of recreational use of MJ, controlled as alcohol is.  

"Growers have almost total control over the final product now."  Thus, micro dosing through a knowledgeable salesman of MJ is absolutely possible.

The Bible says herbs were made for our use.  Abuse of anything God made can be a sin, mortal or venial.

Whoever wrote that anonymous article doesn't know what he's talking about.

Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #124 on: April 21, 2022, 08:39:05 PM »
1) As Rochefoucald has observed, several posts have heavily implied support for recreational use.  Perhaps they were disingenuous, and/or taunting their adversaries, but to clear up any confusion, I posted the article. 

If nobody here is advocating recreational use, it’s difficult to understand Ladislaus’s repeated example of microdosing not being sinful (which seems to have no other purpose than to “prove” small amounts can be taken -even recreationally- without sin).

Even if that is conceded, see #2 below...


2) “practically very rare” (ie., that a pot user avoids the stultifying effects of MJ) is exactly accurate, not a “red flag” as you seem to think.  It clearly means that, unlike alcohol use, 1-2 puffs of weed are taken precisely to produce -and not avoid- this effect (and in fact, that effect is almost always produced).  Again, Ladislaus had to go all the way to “microdosing” to avoid recognizing that fact.

3) Mark79 is looking at the issue from the vantage of medicinal benefit, and in that regard he seems to have some knowledge.  But from the moral perspective, I’m sure he would not presume to know more about morals that traditional priests.  But in any case, the article is not discussing medicinal use.
When a priest tells me that it is immoral and a mortal sin to not vaccinate my child, this is the point I realize he has lost all credibility with me in regards to morals, at least.