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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #105 on: April 21, 2022, 03:10:43 PM »
LT...Jone has been quoted about 25x in the last month.  You act as if he's irrelevant.  :jester:
You are in denial. You dopers are just interpreting it according to your desires. Post an article by a theologian and stop being a cheerleader and parrot. 

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #106 on: April 21, 2022, 03:11:23 PM »
Last Tradhican will refrain from baseless speculation about his opponent (Mark79).

LT claimed that Mark79 was "more likely than not" a non-Catholic. He has ZERO evidence for that wild accusation, aside from his hatred of him. That is not evidence.
On the contrary, the evidence that Mark79 is among the best Catholics on the forum is legion.

There are worse sins than defending, using, or even promoting the use of controlled substances. Please keep that in mind.  I'm talking about grave sins against charity, hatred, and sins of the tongue including slander.

Marijuana use -- and I'm talking about recreational smoking of joint(s) until one is AS HIGH AS A KITE  -- would be a sin of weakness. It might be mortally sinful, but the wounds it inflicts on the soul (long-term damage) are about the most superficial of all mortal sins. Compare with sins of malice, or diabolical hatred.

At the seminary we learned about the different types of sinner. It's been a while; I wish I had my notes handy.

What I'm saying is, this relatively minor issue in the scheme of things is NOT worth losing one's soul over.

LT, your "ends justifies the means" behavior in your crusade against pot would *only* make sense (humanly speaking) if you had suffered some damage in your private life from marijuana. For example, a career that is not what it should be due to MJ use during youth, or one's wife becoming a user of MJ and then committing adultery and subsequently running off. Those things would cause one to say, "Well, at least I understand why he's so emotional, so invested, so vehement about this issue..."


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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2022, 03:11:27 PM »
People like LT would argue that "no one buys a 6-pack of beer and just drinks 1 bottle".  And "everyone drinks whiskey to get drunk".  :facepalm:

People like LT are incapable of grasping the reality that there are 6.5 billion people in the world, and 99% of them think and act differently than himself, thus he's unable to grasp how someone could use MJ in moderation. 

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #108 on: April 21, 2022, 03:16:18 PM »

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From:  Beer vs. Pot: Why Catholics Should Oppose Legalization of Marijuana - OnePeterFive
Beer vs. Pot: Why Catholics Should Oppose Legalization of Marijuana
Peter Kwasniewski, PhD June 12, 2019

o Caffeine does not impair normal brain functioning.
o Alcohol in moderate use does not impair normal brain functioning, but immoderate use does.
o Drugs in ordinary use impair normal brain functioning.

By “ordinary use of drugs,” I mean that people use drugs, including marijuana, specifically to get high. I admit that it is possible to use drugs in a moderate way if small amounts are consumed, but this falls outside ordinary usage and would apply only to a small number of cases, compared to the large number of people who ordinarily use alcohol in moderation.
Thank you, Dr Kwasniewski, for agreeing with me (and many others).  The rest of your article is correctly attacking the immorality of MJ when used immoderately, which no one on this site is defending.

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Re: Why Marijuana is Gravely Sinful
« Reply #109 on: April 21, 2022, 03:26:49 PM »
Then post all those articles by those "every single moral theologian" instead of just saying it. Not a one of you dopers has posted anything but your convenient interpretations.
I already quoted Jone earlier in the thread where he said moderate use of narcotics is not sinful for a reasonable cause such as to settle one's nerves.

But you have it backwards, Last. Theologians do not write books telling us what is licit. They write books or articles saying what is sinful. So if you are arguing that all marijuana usage is sinful, you are the one that needs to quote an authority. But since this topic was discussed in full by pre-Vatican II theologians, who came to the conclusions I have already posted, you will not be able to find one who says it is always immoral; which means that it is not always immoral.