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Offline Tallinn Trad

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Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2020, 12:13:07 AM »
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  • I won't be taking the vaccine. Nothing to do with the practices that created it. 

    Wholly to do with not trusting modern men who whether by malice or stupidity or greed or malpractice are forever screwing things up and covering up their crimes. 

    Anyone who would inject something into their body that Bill Gates had any part of never used Microsoft Windows.  Or has a very poor memory.

    A less than 1 percent chance of dying of a flu virus?  I can take that. 

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    « Reply #61 on: August 25, 2020, 04:52:58 AM »
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  • B from A suggested we do more research. 

    Here is a good source (probably the most useful from a Catholic point of view.)
    Forsaking God For the Sake of Science | Children of God for Life
    https://cogforlife.org/2012/06/13/polioperversion/
    (Note the brief reference to pepsi)

    Highly recommended:
    Vaccines & Abortions | Children of God for Life, by Debi Vinnege
    https://cogforlife.org/vaccines-abortions/

    Vatican response to Mrs. Vinnege’s enquiries
    https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/vaticanresponse1.pdf






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    Vaccines chart 
    https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf





    Covid vaccines chart
    https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/CovidCompareMoralImmoral.pdf














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    Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
    « Reply #62 on: August 25, 2020, 07:51:12 AM »
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  • B from A suggested we do more research.

    Here is a good source (probably the most useful from a Catholic point of view.)...

    Highly recommended:
    Vaccines & Abortions | Children of God for Life, by Debi Vinnege
    https://cogforlife.org/vaccines-abortions/

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    Thanks, Nadir!  That is the article I also posted, and it also gets into a topic touched on in this thread, Remote Material Cooperation.

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    Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
    « Reply #63 on: August 25, 2020, 08:21:23 AM »
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  • I think it’s important to remember that there is no medical or scientific reason to insert fetal cells for any vaccine. In “traditional” style vaccines the “antigen ” ( for lack of a better word) could be cultured on a whole host of substances. The rabies vaccine was cultured on fetal cells but  they also had a non- fetal rabies vaccine as well-for those who objected? Both were used.
    I think the fetal cells are there just as a test to see who will comply.It’s also the point of gene manipulation. This is war- how far will we go and will we ever resist?

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    Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
    « Reply #64 on: August 25, 2020, 08:42:31 AM »
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  • Sure, I agree with that.  But the issue of MANDATORY vaccines makes the involvement in evil even less remote than buying chinese-slavery goods.  In the former, one may not have a choice (temporally speaking); in the latter, you can shop elsewhere.  I don't see a similarity in culpability between fetal cell vaccines and the 'mark of the beast'.  The former is (possibly, arguably) a necessary evil one "could" accept (depending on the circuмstances), while the latter is a denial of the Faith.

    With regard to their being mandatory, in most states you can get a religious or philosophical exemption.  But, guess what, the religious exemption is almost impossible to get thanks to the fact that both the Novus Ordo and even the SSPX have said it's OK.  Thanks, guys.  So either you have to declare yourselves to be some other unique religion or you have to rely on the philosophical exemption ... which is what we always end up using.

    You could probably take it all the way to the Supreme Court that you won't take a vaccine if it has human tissue and win ... which would force them to back off or else pressure them to create vaccines without said tissue.

    Things are "mandatory" only because everyone has caved.


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    Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
    « Reply #65 on: August 25, 2020, 08:44:24 AM »
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  • Example:  Cremation is sinfully desecrating bodies.  But once a body is burned, and the ashes are put into the ground, is not the body chemically gone?  The body was chemically altered when it burned, especially if it was mixed with some chemical additives, so can’t one argue that such ashes aren’t “sacred” anymore?  

    My gut tells me no.  Would you take the ashen remains of a human body and fertilize your garden with it?

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    Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
    « Reply #66 on: August 25, 2020, 08:46:59 AM »
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  • Vaccines are both protected by law and also forced by law (in many states).  The ultimate responsibility for these crimes are lawmakers and drug companies.  

    Yes, ultimately they're responsible, but we participate by constantly caving to them.  I know of very few states where you can't get an exemption from being vaccinated.

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    Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
    « Reply #67 on: August 25, 2020, 08:49:34 AM »
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  • Things are "mandatory" only because everyone has caved.
    Exactly.


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    « Reply #68 on: August 25, 2020, 08:52:20 AM »
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  • Here's a rundown of the states where exemptions can be had based on philosophical or religious reasons.

    https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx

    And if you live in one of the few states where you can't get an exemption, then one should consider moving ... or homeschooling, since most of the laws are directed toward "students".

    But because the NO and the SSPX refuse to back up Catholics who have objections, it's more difficult to get an purely "religious" exemption without declaring yourself to be your own religion.

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    Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
    « Reply #69 on: August 25, 2020, 08:56:07 AM »
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  • I think it’s important to remember that there is no medical or scientific reason to insert fetal cells for any vaccine. In “traditional” style vaccines the “antigen ” ( for lack of a better word) could be cultured on a whole host of substances. The rabies vaccine was cultured on fetal cells but  they also had a non- fetal rabies vaccine as well-for those who objected? Both were used.
    I think the fetal cells are there just as a test to see who will comply.It’s also the point of gene manipulation. This is war- how far will we go and will we ever resist?

    That's a good point.  They likely used human fetal tissue precisely to stick it to people and to put their evil mark on them.

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    Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
    « Reply #70 on: August 25, 2020, 09:18:25 AM »
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  • Here's a rundown of the states where exemptions can be had based on philosophical or religious reasons.

    https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx

    And if you live in one of the few states where you can't get an exemption, then one should consider moving ... or homeschooling, since most of the laws are directed toward "students".

    But because the NO and the SSPX refuse to back up Catholics who have objections, it's more difficult to get an purely "religious" exemption without declaring yourself to be your own religion.
    Outstanding resource!!

    Of course, it only pertains to vaccinations relative to school enrollment, not whether or not the state has permitted or outlawed mandatory vaccination (eg., during a plannedemic).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
    « Reply #71 on: August 25, 2020, 09:37:18 AM »
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  • Outstanding resource!!

    Of course, it only pertains to vaccinations relative to school enrollment, not whether or not the state has permitted or outlawed mandatory vaccination (eg., during a plannedemic).

    Right.  But it's interesting that both Gates and Fauci have backed away a little bit from the mandatory COVID vaccine.

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    « Reply #72 on: August 25, 2020, 09:51:54 AM »
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    With regard to their being mandatory, in most states you can get a religious or philosophical exemption.

    True, but that's the "old rules" for normal diseases.  What they are talking about for covid, since it's a "pandemic" is that exemptions will not exist.  Then they will truly be mandatory.  For those that resist, you may be forcibly quarantined at a camp.  Or worse.
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    But it's interesting that both Gates and Fauci have backed away a little bit from the mandatory COVID vaccine.

    But the state-level has ramped up the pressure.

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    « Reply #73 on: August 25, 2020, 09:57:12 AM »
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    My gut tells me no.  Would you take the ashen remains of a human body and fertilize your garden with it?

    Agree, I would not.  But let's say the ashes are buried or thrown into the ocean.  How long until the ashes are chemically consumed?  If there used to be a grave site in a field, under a tree, 50 years ago, how long until that field can be developed for a neighborhood, or until a farmer can plant a garden?  There is a time factor involved.  Would not this time factor also affect fetal cells?  There's also much more chemical processing of these cells vs simply burying ashes.
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    I have no idea.  Just spit-balling questions that come to mind.

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    « Reply #74 on: August 25, 2020, 10:22:27 AM »
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  • Right.  But it's interesting that both Gates and Fauci have backed away a little bit from the mandatory COVID vaccine.

    Agreed.  And then the Virginia health commissioner declares his intent to mandate.

    I watched the 1st 20min of the Plannedemic 2: Indoctornation movie, and it becomes clear this entire hoax is a business plan to make money.

    It takes your breath away, to see what some men will do for money.

    On another note, I passed some roadkill the other day, and someone had come by with a cardboard sign and wooden stake, and drew an arrow pointing to the dead animal, and wrote “Another COVID19 Death.”😂

    This is as alongside the interstate, so thousands of cars would have seen it.

    The point being some people are waking up to this fraud.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."