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Offline PG

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Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2018, 05:31:03 PM »
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  • So, it turns out veganism was invented or first began in 1944.  That is pretty much the same time as the "h0Ɩ0cαųst".   What other correlations can I find?  

    What is the truth about the h0Ɩ0cαųst?  The truth is that they were not in a death camp.  They were in a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ.  

    What is the truth about veganism?  Are they really against the killing of animals?  I do not think so.  I think they are against the concentration of animals.  


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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #31 on: May 22, 2018, 05:52:25 PM »
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  • We are only supposed to be eating clean animals. I avoid eating animals which are considered unclean according to the bible; such as, pigs, turkeys and Chickens.

    We are supposed to be eating clean animals which are strictly herbivores. I eat grass fed beef and lamb.
    This is the heresy of judaizing.  St. Peter was given a vision which told him that all manner of animals could be eaten, not just the ones allowed by Jєωιѕн law.  Nadir just quoted the passage a few posts up.


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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #32 on: May 22, 2018, 05:58:17 PM »
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  • We are only supposed to be eating clean animals. I avoid eating animals which are considered unclean according to the bible; such as, pigs, turkeys and Chickens.

    We are supposed to be eating clean animals which are strictly herbivores. I eat grass fed beef and lamb.
    If in the wild on an empty stomach, the modern dietary jew will be the first one to chase after that unclean bird.  So, you really shouldn't sacrifice such for them in this day(A.D.).  They are the first to break the true laws so that they never end up in the desert, despite that dry being far favorable for their salvation than the dry of the city.  

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #33 on: May 22, 2018, 05:59:49 PM »
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  • We are not allowed to eat unclean animals. I eat grass fed beef and lamb.
    What religion are you?  There is nothing like that in Catholicism.  

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #34 on: May 22, 2018, 06:39:51 PM »
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  • The Holy Bible is Catholic.
    Interpreting Scripture contrary to the mind of the Church is not Catholic.


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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #35 on: May 22, 2018, 07:36:45 PM »
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  • Here is an article explaining why we should be skeptical of claims that abstaining from animal products is healthier:  https://empoweredsustenance.com/is-vegan-healthy/

    Reasons include:

    Vegan diets often rely heavily on soy.
    I finally understand why vegans and people who promote vegan diets think they way they do.

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #36 on: May 22, 2018, 07:40:20 PM »
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  • The Holy Bible is Catholic.
    But, apparently, you only follow the Old Testament.

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #37 on: May 22, 2018, 07:49:29 PM »
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  • I finally understand why vegans and people who promote vegan diets think they way they do.
    :laugh1:  Yep.  The original soy boys.


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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #38 on: May 22, 2018, 07:53:09 PM »
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  • Nowhere in the Old or New Testament does God give us the right to eat unclean animals.
    You specialize in denying reality, don't you?

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #39 on: May 22, 2018, 07:56:48 PM »
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  • Nowhere in the Old or New Testament does God give us the right to eat unclean animals.

    Now that you mention it, I don't recall seeing in the New Testament where it says that God allows us to eat unclean animals.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #40 on: May 22, 2018, 08:16:11 PM »
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  • For starters, I am not a vegan(I am wearing a leather belt).  I have eaten a vegan diet for many years.  I currently am not.  Although, I always remain quite close to a vegan diet.  Currently I am regularly consuming organic butter in my diet.  That is pretty much it/the only animal product.

    However, I sympathize with the veganism concern regarding how we treat the animals(Gods creatures) entrusted to our care.  If torturing animals has a correlation with murdering/torturing humans, which is the consensus, then ought we especially be concerned with how we treat the animals we eat?  I think so.    

    I recently posted a video exposing some of the horrendous and immoral practices in the dairy industry.  And, my video was censored here on CI.  This video has nearly 5 million views, 75 thousand likes, 7.5 thousand likes, with 25 thousand comments on youtube.  That sounds like a pretty successful important video.  And, in my opinion it is.

    I was warned never again to post anything like that video.  So, if you want to see the video, PM me and I will refer you from there(That is the best I can do you matthew, and reasonable).  I think it is an amazing video.  And, I simply wanted to share it, so that we can better understand the consequences of profit driven food culture.  Scripture associates heaven with "butter" and "milk".  And, heaven is what we were made for.  So, we have much reason to want to get it right.
    I watched that shocking video, PG, and although I did not report it, I was not impressed by that woman's choice of words. Possibly that was Matthew's major objection too.
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    What we need are professionally produced docuмentaries.
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    There are some professional produced videos on youtube that tell the horrific story of commercial chicken farming where female baby chicks are raised in huge filthy barns where they neither get to see the sun nor run on the grass outside. As a result, many of these poor hens develop sores on their bodies and/or end up dying prematurely because of the foul ammonia produced in those poorly ventilated barns. The filthy liter is not removed until after the chickens have grown and are sent to the slaughter houses.
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    Perhaps worse than living the short life of a hen is the fate suffered by male newborn chicks, which are ground up for compost as soon as they are sexed.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: plant-based diet
    « Reply #41 on: May 22, 2018, 08:33:28 PM »
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  • Just substitute "plant-based diet" for the word "vegan".

    St. Benedict's Rule #39:St. Thomas Aquinas also viewed meat as a food for sick/weak people.

    Before original sin, God only gave Adam & Eve fruits and vegetables for food, saying that this food is also for the animals:
    Flesh meat, eggs, and milk foods are "are a very great incentive to lust" (Summa Theologica II-II q. 147 a. 8 co.), which is one reason why the Church forbids eating them certain times throughout the year.
    When I was taking a college class, we had to study the writings of Christopher Columbus. He mentioned the Black Fast in his diary. Extra provisions had to be taken on the ship to allow for this Black Fast, which was the Great Lenten Fast, during which eggs, milk products, butter, olive oil, lard, fish, and meat were not allowed. After Vatican I, the church lessened the Black Fast as it was considered too harsh for the modern working man and woman.

    However, many monasteries still observed the Black Fast for a few more years. Even today, cloistered nuns abstain from meat, but allow cheese, milk, and eggs.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #42 on: May 22, 2018, 08:53:50 PM »
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  • Aren't there some Franciscans or maybe other Catholic orders who have refrained from eating meat? It seems like I've read that somewhere.
    Yes, the Trappists
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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #43 on: May 22, 2018, 09:01:06 PM »
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  • Your obsession with what you eat seems to me to be disordered and unCatholic.
    Yes, being overly preoccupied with what to eat is one of the 5 forms of gluttony.
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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #44 on: May 22, 2018, 09:09:41 PM »
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  • Yes, being overly preoccupied with what to eat is one of the 5 forms of gluttony.
    We should eat to live, not live to eat.
    Lord have mercy.