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Offline Mega-fin

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Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2018, 09:11:55 PM »
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  • In my honest opinion, as someone who has done the vegan thing in the past, and since have rejected it, I do see the concerns for animals, however, there’s also the fact that a plant based diet is much more difficult to really get what you need nutritionally without supplementing like crazy or never stop eating. I know the arguments for and against, and I’m not here to argue. As someone who is much happier and healthier as a meat eater, I can say from experience that no, plant based diets are not what they are really cracked up to be. As yes as mentioned earlier buy from the little guy! We drive 20mins to go to a local, no antibiotic, no hormone, etc deli where we buy all our meat. 

    That, and places like PETA are Jew run and use animal worship to lead people from Christ and towards the antiChrist. 
    Please disregard everything I have said; I have tended to speak before fact checking.

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    Re: plant-based diet
    « Reply #46 on: May 22, 2018, 09:37:15 PM »
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  • When I was taking a college class, we had to study the writings of Christopher Columbus. He mentioned the Black Fast in his diary. Extra provisions had to be taken on the ship to allow for this Black Fast, which was the Great Lenten Fast, during which eggs, milk products, butter, olive oil, lard, fish, and meat were not allowed. After Vatican I, the church lessened the Black Fast as it was considered too harsh for the modern working man and woman.

    However, many monasteries still observed the Black Fast for a few more years. Even today, cloistered nuns abstain from meat, but allow cheese, milk, and eggs.
    Yes, but that was coupled with fasting, which is the killer.  What you are referring to is abstinence.  Nobody can do the catholic lenten fast without eating animal products or exploiting some loophole(like beer).  I think that is why there is tradition in mexico to eat a lot of meat during lent(when it is allowed that is).  The catholic lenten fast is not a friend of mine.  There is infinitely greater wisdom to be found in the orthodox lent diet.  


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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #47 on: May 22, 2018, 09:42:07 PM »
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  • Your obsession with what you eat seems to me to be disordered and unCatholic.
    I do not see the Hand of God in those who grow, harvest, or prepare our food(particularly animal product).  Therefore, I mean to bite.  

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #48 on: May 23, 2018, 12:26:54 AM »
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  • We are only supposed to be eating clean animals. I avoid eating animals which are considered unclean according to the bible; such as, pigs, turkeys and Chickens.

    We are supposed to be eating clean animals which are strictly herbivores. I eat grass fed beef and lamb.
    Chickens?  Turkeys? I've never heard that they were considered unclean. All those bubbes with their 'hindl zup' aka 'Jєωιѕн Penicillin' weren't kosher? 

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #49 on: May 23, 2018, 12:38:49 AM »
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  • Nowhere in the Old or New Testament does God give us the right to eat unclean animals.
    Matt 15, 10-18   Jesus says:

    10 And having called together the multitudes unto him, he said to them: Hear ye and understand.
    11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
    12 Then came his disciples, and said to him: Dost thou know that the Pharisees, when they heard this word, were scandalized?
    13 But he answering them, said: Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
    14 Let them alone: they are blind, and leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the pit.
    15 And Peter answering, said to him: Expound to us this parable.
    16 But he said: Are you also yet without understanding?
    17 Do you not understand, that whatsoever entereth into the mouth, goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the privy?
    18 But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man.




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    Re: what we eat matters
    « Reply #50 on: May 23, 2018, 12:56:55 AM »
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  • Cows that are not grass fed are not good to eat.
    Irrelevant in this discussion of veganism.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #51 on: May 23, 2018, 12:58:14 AM »
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  • nadir

    You still have time to delete your comment.  
    Can't "stomach" truth, eh? Not part of your diet?
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #52 on: May 23, 2018, 01:00:26 AM »
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  • Nowhere is the above scripture you posted does God give us the right to eat unclean animals.
    No, but He says It's what comes out of your mouth that matters, since that shows what is in your heart; and what goes in doesn't matter because it just ends up in the privy.  Christians developed the tradition of eating ham on Easter because we can and the Jews can't.
    So, no, he didn't specifically say "You may now eat all the unclean animals which were formally prohibited", but come on...


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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #53 on: May 23, 2018, 03:16:03 AM »
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  • Nowhere in the Old or New Testament does God give us the right to eat unclean animals.
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    Luke 10: [3] Go: Behold I send you as lambs among wolves. [4] Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes; and salute no man by the way. [5] Into whatsoever house you enter, first say: Peace be to this house.
    [6] And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon him; but if not, it shall return to you. [7] And in the same house, remain, eating and drinking such things as they have: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Remove not from house to house. [8] And into what city soever you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you. [9] And heal the sick that are therein, and say to them: The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
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    Did Jesus say "make sure you eat kosher"? No. He said "eat what they eat, whatever they serve you" and of course give thanks and bless. That makes it all clean!.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #54 on: May 23, 2018, 06:28:54 AM »
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  • Chickens and turkeys are omnivores and therefore are unclean. We are only supposed to eat clean herbivores'.
    Your main error is trying to follow Jєωιѕн dietary laws at all since this is the heresy of judaizing.  But you aren't even able to read Scripture well enough to do that correctly.  Chickens and turkeys were clean according to Scripture and are so considered by Jews to this day. Birds in general are clean and Scripture lists the specific exceptions to this. It is right there in Deuteronomy 14.  

    [11] All birds that are clean you shall eat. [12] The unclean eat not: to wit, the eagle, and the grype, and the osprey, [13] The ringtail, and the vulture, and the kite according to their kind: [14] And all of the raven's kind: [15] And the ostrich, and the owl, and the larus, and the hawk according to its kind:

    Note verse 11:  All birds that are clean you shall eat.

    Of course, it is very clear in the New Testament and subsequent Church teaching that this does not apply to us and all foods are clean for Christians.

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #55 on: May 23, 2018, 08:41:50 AM »
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  • Your main error is trying to follow Jєωιѕн dietary laws at all since this is the heresy of judaizing.  But you aren't even able to read Scripture well enough to do that correctly.  Chickens and turkeys were clean according to Scripture and are so considered by Jews to this day. Birds in general are clean and Scripture lists the specific exceptions to this. It is right there in Deuteronomy 14.  

    [11] All birds that are clean you shall eat. [12] The unclean eat not: to wit, the eagle, and the grype, and the osprey, [13] The ringtail, and the vulture, and the kite according to their kind: [14] And all of the raven's kind: [15] And the ostrich, and the owl, and the larus, and the hawk according to its kind:

    Note verse 11: All birds that are clean you shall eat.

    Of course, it is very clear in the New Testament and subsequent Church teaching that this does not apply to us and all foods are clean for Christians.
    The main error in all of this is that vegans dont stay vegan long.
    Why?  B12.  The only easily absorbable form comes from red meat.  
    So, either vegans fall off the bandwagon sometimes, or they die.
    As for clean vs. Unclean animals, that is discussed on another thread.


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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #56 on: May 23, 2018, 09:51:31 AM »
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  • Pig are unclean according to God. Why would you want to disobey God?
    Why do you want to be a judaizing heretic?  

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #57 on: May 23, 2018, 10:02:07 AM »
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  • One of my favorite saints is St. Hubert.

    He is known as the patron saint of hunters. He spent all of his time hunting and killing animals in the forest, and was in fact addicted to killing animals, but one day he had a vision in which a cross appeared between the antlers of a stag.

    Wiki further explains...."During Hubert's vision, the Hirsch (German: deer) is said to have lectured Hubertus into holding animals in higher regard and having compassion for them as God's creatures with a value in their own right. For example, the hunter ought only to shoot when humane, when a clean and quick kill is assured. He ought only to shoot old stags past their prime breeding years, and to relinquish a much anticipated shot on a trophy to instead euthanize a sick or injured animal that might appear on the scene. Further one ought never to shoot a female with young in tow to assure the young deer have a mother to guide them to food during the winter. Such is the legacy of Hubert, who still today is held in high regard in the extensive German and Austrian hunter's education courses."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubertus#/media/File:Wilhelm_R%C3%A4uber_Hubertus.jpg

    I first found out about St. Hubert when finding an old Catholic cemetery set in a wheat field in eastern Washington state, which had been originally part of a Catholic Church called St. Hubert. The church was torn down a few years ago (the land is still owned by the Yakima Diocese I think). But there was at one time a lot of German Catholics in the area.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #58 on: May 23, 2018, 10:28:02 AM »
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  • Pig are unclean according to God. Why would you want to disobey God?

    TiE,

    Once Jayne has someone on her 'heretic' list, she hounds them to no end. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Veganism the CI version of h0Ɩ0cαųst denial?
    « Reply #59 on: May 23, 2018, 10:32:08 AM »
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  • Can't "stomach" truth, eh? Not part of your diet?
    No, I found your comment ignorant, therefore making you look bad.  What I quoted regarded the bible against bestiality.  And, bestiality is relevant(of utmost relevance) to this thread and discussion because a major gripe against conventional industrial animal farming is the artificial insemination which is inseparable from bestiality.  That is why I posted a link to the bible against bestiality.  Inform yourself before you comment, especially if you tend to insults.  That is why I posted the video I did on cathinfo that matthew censored, which lead to this thread.