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Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2021, 03:10:22 PM »
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  • Between the two accounts (i.e., the priest in the OP, and the person in the text message sent to me by a friend), the common denominator is that both knew they should have not taken the jab, but did so anyway, and afterwards both describe being guilty of a tremendous betrayal of what they loved most, such that life has now lost purpose.

    They erroneously believe they are hopelessly alienated from that which they most loved (God), and even in the case of the priest, sincere repentence and forgiveness has still left him feeling "not right."  He is still, in his own estimation, not what he was before the brtrayal.

    We saw the same process in Orwell's "1984," where Winston, amidst his torture by O'Brien, claimed they could not get at the real him; they could not get inside him and steal his love for Julia.  But some time later, after the "rat torture," Winston betrayed what he loved most, telling O'Brien to "do it to Julia!"

    After that point, Winston has become one of those gin drinkers with the sad faces he mentioned in the beginning of the book.  Sitting around with no more lust for life because they have all been broken by the state, and betrayed what they loved most. 

    An excerpt from this essay explains:

    “Do it to Julia! Do it to Julia! Not me! Julia! I don’t care what you do to her” (Orwell 286).

    The torture of Winston Smith exposes The Party’s true goals. It represents the final product of totalitarianism, and what humanity is left with if allowed to flourish. Through means of mental anguish, The Party coerces people to abandon their true self, shedding their last bit of humanity. In doing so, The Party forces the people to destroy the self within them. It believes that the true self is similar to a disease that must be cured in order to maintain order within their distorted society. Although it may seem overdramatized on an individual basis, given the right circuмstances this sort of psychological brainwashing is a viable tactic used by totalitarian regimes on a wide scale. Those who attempt to live their true self are deemed insane. O’Brien explains precisely that: “Shall I tell you why we have brought you here? To cure you! To make you Sane! Will you understand, Winston that no one whom we bring to this place ever leaves our hands uncured?…We do not merely destroy our enemies; we change them. Do you understand what I mean by that?” (Orwell 253)

    The Party’s goal isn’t to crush opposition, that would not suffice their lust for power. In reality, their true goal is to consume the human soul and mind, not body. Winston’s mental torture is meant to transform him into another drone of society. O’Brien shows Winston that each speck of rebellion in his life was implanted there by The Party itself. He wrote the Goldstein book, the docuмents and photos that Winston worked on were fake, and that there is no Brotherhood. The Party is immortal, and everything is under their rule. However, there is one thing that Winston knew was a reality. That was his love, freedom and humanity with Julia. In order to break down that humanity, O’Brien ironically uses the natural fears that are deeply embedded within humanity to destroy humanity. During his interrogation with Winston, O’Brien explains that “We control life, Winston, at all its levels. You are imagining that there is something called human nature which will be outraged by what we do and will turn against us. But we create human nature. Men are infinitely malleable…Humanity is the Party” (Orwell 269). The totalitarian government has become the very essence of humanity. What was humanity in the past has ceased to exist, as with any remnants of it. There is nothing left but The Party, not even repressed memories. In response to Winston’s opposition of this ideal, O’Brien continues to explains that he, attempting to rebel is “the guardian of the human spirit” and that his utterly broken down form is symbolic of what is left of humanity. (Orwell 272)

    Winston is eventually broken and betrays Julia, which is the final nail in the coffin. Despite all the physical and mental torture, Winston always believed that his natural, human love for Julia would be salvageable. O’Brien’s goal was to destroy that, which was Winston’s last remaining bit of humanity. After all he had done and promised, his own mind, body and fears betrayed him and he betrayed his love. This is how The Party wins, to make you betray yourself. Afterwards, there is nothing left but a shell of a person who desires nothing but to embrace the government. Beauchamp’s analyzation of the climax includes “O’Brien systematically undercuts and refutes every belief Winston held, Beats and brainwashes away every trace of human dignity, until he is left with only one vestige of humanity, his love for Julia.” He goes on to explain precisely why this last shred of Winston must be decimated: “Winston hopes to be shot quickly, so that he will die still hating Big Brother, still loving Julia. But O’Brien understands this, too. It is not Winston’s life he wants, but his soul, what is ‘inside him.’ Winston thus must be made to betray Julia, for only then can he be made to love Big Brother-must be emptied of one love to be filled with another” (Beauchamp 296). As long as the totalitarian figurehead exists, there may be no room for other emotional distractions. All resources and energy must be directed towards the common goal of the government. Once this is accomplished, there is no strain of humanity remaining.

    https://medium.com/@Saituchiha_/spirit-breaker-the-destruction-of-the-self-within-george-orwells-dystopian-nightmare-cef77d3ec60e


    So, my question is ultimately this:

    If you were physically compelled to take the jab (i.e., they gang-tackled you, held you down, and jabbed you), would you notice any of the spiritual/psychological effects mentioned above???

    I would imagine you would feel like a rape victim (i.e., deeply violated), but not spiritually dead, because there was no volitionaal betrayal or sin.

    If there were still such feelings as described above, then I would suspect they were more chemically induced, rather than spiritual.

    But who knows: The same person who forwarded me the text from her friend above also forwarded me an interesing 2004 article regarding the alleged discovery of the so-called "God gene:"

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/nov/14/20041114-111404-8087r/

    The theory is that they can make it chemically impossible to believe in God.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #31 on: October 05, 2021, 03:28:34 PM »
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  • So, my question is ultimately this:

    If you were physically compelled to take the jab (i.e., they gang-tackled you, held you down, and jabbed you), would you notice any of the spiritual/psychological effects mentioned above???

    I would imagine you would feel like a rape victim (i.e., deeply violated), but not spiritually dead, because there was no volitionaal betrayal or sin.

    If there were still such feelings as described above, then I would suspect they were more chemically induced, rather than spiritual.

    But who knows: The same person who forwarded me the text from her friend above also forwarded me an interesing 2004 article regarding the alleged discovery of the so-called "God gene:"

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/nov/14/20041114-111404-8087r/

    The theory is that they can make it chemically impossible to believe in God.

    Bill Gates talking about vaccinating away religious fanaticism by removing/killing the “God gene.” 

     
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #32 on: October 05, 2021, 03:43:04 PM »
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  • Now, just to reassure the gullible, there is no such thing as the “God gene.”  This is mostly junk science intended to demoralize the simple, and embolden the non-believers.

    We know this by both faith and reason:

    By faith, because revelation teaches us in Scripture that faith is a grace/gift, and it comes by hearing (not by birth, which would necessitate Calvinist predestination); by reason, because as genes are static, conversion would be impossible (as would, conversely, the loss of faith), yet both are common, observable changes.

    Nevertheless, none of this precludes their theoretical ability to poison/semi-lobotomize a brain in such a way that one feels distant and depressed, as many psychotropic drugs do (and consequently, when thinking or praying to or about God, comparing the pre and post jab experiences, to conclude the intensity of the spiritual life has truly diminished).

    I’d rather lose 5 jobs and see my whole family sleeping in a homeless shelter than submit myself (or them) to that possible outcome.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #33 on: October 05, 2021, 04:09:22 PM »
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  • These accounts, taken in further consideration, just sound like the state of mortal sin that most people are in. Especially the priest, who knew he did wrong and turned away from God. We have all felt this time and time again when we've sinned gravely. I can't speak for the New Ager, to me it just sounds like he lost those sensible consolations meant to lead us further to God that most eastern philosophies take as the end in itself.

    More people need to read St. John of the Cross and learn about the Dark Night of the Soul, just as Lad mentioned above, and realize that we are not meant to have a sensible connection with God but an intelligible one that stands above every emotion or feeling. That's why its important to pray especially when you don't "feel" like it because that in itself is a grace from God to prove your faith in Him.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #34 on: October 05, 2021, 04:16:18 PM »
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  • These accounts, taken in further consideration, just sound like the state of mortal sin that most people are in. Especially the priest, who knew he did wrong and turned away from God. We have all felt this time and time again when we've sinned gravely. I can't speak for the New Ager, to me it just sounds like he lost those sensible consolations meant to lead us further to God that most eastern philosophies take as the end in itself.

    More people need to read St. John of the Cross and learn about the Dark Night of the Soul, just as Lad mentioned above, and realize that we are not meant to have a sensible connection with God but an intelligible one that stands above every emotion or feeling. That's why its important to pray especially when you don't "feel" like it because that in itself is a grace from God to prove your faith in Him.

    I could be wrong, but to me, this all sounds very different than the dark night of the soul:

    The dark night was a stage of spiritual advancement, whereby God tests a saint by withholding consolation.

    But what is described in these accounts is the state of soul after committing grave sin: It is a true desolation.

    I don't think this is the case of a few newbies who don't understand sensible consolation is not where its at.

    They are describing something different (the priest even claims to see the face of Satan always before him, until he confessed).  There is a loss of love for the sacred and spiritual things. 

    Something else is going on here.  I'm not sure what, but its definitely not the dark night, or even simple after-effects of grave sin (i.e., these people would have felt that before, and know what that feeling it, yet they are saying it is something different and more damaging).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #35 on: October 05, 2021, 05:04:50 PM »
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  • Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #36 on: October 05, 2021, 05:23:49 PM »
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  • Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #37 on: October 06, 2021, 06:13:58 AM »
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  • I’m wondering if the “brain fog” described by the lady is similar to the diminished consciousness and muted enthusiasm for life and spirituality described above (incidentally, the deceased also violated her conscience on the jab, but gave in to job pressure to get it):

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/woman-dies-of-degenerative-brain-disorder-after-covid-jab-sparking-fears-of-long-term-side-effects/
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #38 on: October 06, 2021, 07:16:32 AM »
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  • Another self-betrayal.  Let’s see if anything comes of it:

    Already says she feels defeated.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1280322
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #39 on: October 06, 2021, 07:44:03 AM »
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  • Another self-betrayal.  Let’s see if anything comes of it:

    Already says she feels defeated.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1280322

    I saw that Mike Tyson (the boxer) just said the same thing, that he didn't want it but felt that he had to in order to travel and so they could "eat".  Of course, that's ridiculous, since Tyson is worth many millions of dollars and doesn't need to keep working in order to "eat".  So many of these people CLAIM to have great dilemmas, but it's more about what they WANT to do, not what they absolutely have to.  There was a 37-year-old woman who also didn't want the jab and ended up dying.  She was a stay-at-home Mom and didn't need to work, but she said that she "needed" to get it so she could, get this, continue being a "School Mom" (a Mom who helps out at her kids' school).  So she gambled (and lost), throwing her life away just because of wanting to be this School Mom.  Well, her School Mom days are over now and her kids have no Mom at all.

    So these people don't really HAVE to get the jab, but they do it anyway because of a lifestyle they want to maintain.  That's the bottom line with the case you cite, with Tyson, and with School Mom.


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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #40 on: October 06, 2021, 07:50:23 AM »
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  • So these people don't really HAVE to get the jab, but they do it anyway because of a lifestyle they want to maintain.  That's the bottom line with the case you cite, with Tyson, and with School Mom.


    This is the "dilemma" that my wife has created for herself thanks to the influence of her Doctor. She says she will make the decision to do so once the baby is born, despite my warnings and the fact that she doesn't really need to get it since she doesn't really work.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #41 on: October 06, 2021, 08:12:40 AM »
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  • I saw that Mike Tyson (the boxer) just said the same thing, that he didn't want it but felt that he had to in order to travel and so they could "eat".  Of course, that's ridiculous, since Tyson is worth many millions of dollars and doesn't need to keep working in order to "eat".  So many of these people CLAIM to have great dilemmas, but it's more about what they WANT to do, not what they absolutely have to.  There was a 37-year-old woman who also didn't want the jab and ended up dying.  She was a stay-at-home Mom and didn't need to work, but she said that she "needed" to get it so she could, get this, continue being a "School Mom" (a Mom who helps out at her kids' school).  So she gambled (and lost), throwing her life away just because of wanting to be this School Mom.  Well, her School Mom days are over now and her kids have no Mom at all.

    So these people don't really HAVE to get the jab, but they do it anyway because of a lifestyle they want to maintain.  That's the bottom line with the case you cite, with Tyson, and with School Mom.



    Yup.

    I know trads who fit your analysis.

    I also sent the article from the “Dominican priest destroys remote  material cooperation “ thread to 40 people from my SSPX chapel.

    I received exactly 0 replies.

    It would be rash to come to a firm conclusion as to why that is, but my “hunch” was that, given the green light the Society has given the jab, nobody wants to be inconvenienced by considering a contrary conclusion.

    I think a lot of people who have plenty of other options will simply prefer to take the death jab, so as to not make waves at work, or to avoid being perceived as not a team player (ie., won’t even try a religious exemption; “they’ll think I’m a fanatic”).

    The part I don’t get is when people with good incomes, 401k accounts with 10+ years of contributions, houses with $200k of equity, and who could easily go work for another company with many years of expertise in their fields, don’t even want to attempt avoiding the jab.

    I think people like that will use necessity/avoiding job loss as an excuse.

    And even people with no assets, but good employment references in this labor-starved market, won’t have trouble getting a job somewhere else.

    Hell, any able-bodied man can go to truck driving school for a few weeks, and come out making $90k.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #42 on: October 06, 2021, 08:58:03 AM »
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  • I saw that Mike Tyson (the boxer) just said the same thing, that he didn't want it but felt that he had to in order to travel and so they could "eat".  Of course, that's ridiculous, since Tyson is worth many millions of dollars and doesn't need to keep working in order to "eat".  So many of these people CLAIM to have great dilemmas, but it's more about what they WANT to do, not what they absolutely have to.  There was a 37-year-old woman who also didn't want the jab and ended up dying.  She was a stay-at-home Mom and didn't need to work, but she said that she "needed" to get it so she could, get this, continue being a "School Mom" (a Mom who helps out at her kids' school).  So she gambled (and lost), throwing her life away just because of wanting to be this School Mom.  Well, her School Mom days are over now and her kids have no Mom at all.

    So these people don't really HAVE to get the jab, but they do it anyway because of a lifestyle they want to maintain.  That's the bottom line with the case you cite, with Tyson, and with School Mom.

    I wonder how many of these people watch the news -- the Media?  Even the conservatives' precious Fox News isn't much better than CNN, objectively speaking. They both push whatever agenda, whatever propaganda is out there in the MSM. Fox News is completely MSM.

    Watch the news, soak up the fear porn. It's that simple. I don't watch any news with the ticker tape death count -- and what do you know? I'm not afraid. Because I don't see death all around me -- I don't see deaths at all. It's SO EASY to exaggerate or blow up common, expected deaths into a boogeyman of sorts.

    We know for a fact the PCR test is crap. They were caught countless times renaming deaths "COVID 19". And there's the small matter of the Flu DISAPPEARING.

    My wife found out one of her classmates died "of COVID" recently. She said he was anything but healthy -- he was quite overweight. But if you just watch the news, "A 40 year old man succuмbed to the COVID boogeyman..." Nevermind that he was 400 lbs and obesity is what really killed him.

    Another classmate died a while before that, right before COVID -- a nurse. It was some infection. Which points out another thing I keep saying: death has been part of the human condition LONG BEFORE 2020 AND COVID. Even those under 60. We are not promised a single day. Any of us could die tomorrow. We must always be prepared to meet God and be judged. That is the long and short of it.

    Even if COVID were wiped out tomorrow, we wouldn't be sitting pretty like some kind of immortals. We would still have plenty of things, INCLUDING COMMUNICABLE DISEASES, which could end our lives on this planet.
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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
    « Reply #43 on: October 06, 2021, 09:05:19 AM »
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  • I'm still waiting for a "WHO WE LOST" montage of "covid deaths". They never do it, because it would be old people and the unhealthy -- those with very well-padded faces.

    Even if they had young people in it, it's possible they were sodomites who possibly had AIDS. I remember one specific case of a man who wasted away in the hospital, allegedly with COVID, and he lost tons of weight. Then the article mentioned "His partner said he was happy to stand by him..." or some such -- giving away the truth. That man probably had AIDS, not COVID. It is extremely common among those of his "lifestyle".
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    Re: Vax Remorse and Spiritual Decline
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  • I wouldn’t completely dismiss the “god gene” angle.

    The vax is engineered for the purpose of a Gentile world genocide. 

    тαℓмυdic Rabbis are on record as expounding on the need to not only kill the goyim’s body, but also his soul. 

    What comprises the “Veil” on the Jєω’s heart, post Deicide curse, that keeps them from believing in the Holy Trinity?

    The vax was made in ʝʊdɛօ-masonic labs with decades of forethought and experimentation.  

    MRC-5 alone (tissue from live fetuses) is Kabbalah sorcery with the purpose of imparting a curse on the recipient.

    Father Amorth’s writings support the spiritual & physical impact of malifaces (curses) on the unsuspecting.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi