Author Topic: Vaccine Docuмentary (Read 3522 times)

MaterDominici · « **on:** October 30, 2011, 02:00:46 PM »

www.greatergoodmovie.org

It seems to be free to watch via Dr. Mercola's website until Nov 5th.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/30/the-greater-good.aspx

MaterDominici · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2011, 02:22:04 PM »

Within the first 10 minutes of this, they're talking to a teenage girl whose life has been changed due to severe side effects of the Gardasil vaccine. My first thought was that he doctor suggested it. But, then they go into why she got this vaccine in the first place and it turns out it was HER idea. No, not because she rolls through boyfriends every other week, but because she saw an ADVERTISEMENT while watching TV which convinced her that she needed it.

Yet another reason to get the TV out of your house. They said Merck spent $100 million on advertising this vaccine in it's first year, so I'm sure it wasn't limited to TV, but you know that things like magazine ads are largely designed to simply have the person recall the message they saw in the TV ad.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2011, 03:59:24 PM »

This girl's story is a single datapoint. It's an anecdote. Not data. I feel for her, but there is *no* drug ever that is totally safe.

Of the 40 million or so doses administered, just over 20,000 self-reported 'side effects'. They don't blow any off, even if it's the sniffles. Even if it's cancer, they just take the report with no causative foundation.

Even with that, that is .0005 rate of 'side effects' you're twice as likely to die in a fire.

You're almost 8 times more likely to die from someone shooting you (on purpose, not accidental)

You're 10 times more likely to die from falling down.

You're 25 times more likely to die from a car accident.

You're 350+ times more likely to die from *some* form of cancer.

What is the bizarre fever about Gardasil and vaccines geenrally, all about?

I've read tons of links and stuff people have sent me and shown me in response to this question and every time it's some 'anti' website or 'anti' person who completely misses the point of how vaccines work and what they do and do not do.

I am not part of any 'medical lobby' but I am (was) a trained biochemist, and I am not insulting anyone's intelligence when I say that there are times you do not know what you do not know and some vaccine opponents, particularly parents making decisions about their children's health, should consider their own humility instead of the "arrogance of the medical establishment" as well.

Sometimes, there *is* a value to expertise, and you do *not* know what you need to know to question a recommendation.

Reading a bunch of internet sites does not constitute 'research' nor does cherry-picking which studies you've bothered to read.

And 'reading a lot' is meaningless. Quantity does not replace quality.

I could deluge you with anti-Catholic and atheist websites as well that completely miss the point about or misunderstand the Catholic Faith, after all.

Please, vaccines are *not* a scam the 'profiteers' are trying to visit upon your children.

I have dear friends working on vaccines *right* now, that I've know for nearly 2 decades. People with kids of their own, a few Catholics even. People I know are not part of some strange conspiracy to poison children and profit from it. An extraordinary expense goes to the development of most if not all of these, and is almost never recouped without significant gov't subsidies the evil, rich Pharma typically doesn't even break even from the manufacture of most (if any) vaccines. Most pharma won't even produce them on contract, because they *are* only a breakeven proposition with gov't subsidies.

No one is getting rich off this portion of the business, or you wouldn't have the govt practically *begging* us ('us' when I was in the industry) into produce many of them.

Vaccines can be very complicated, and the model you're taught in high school health classes, or even to the typical RN student is *greatly* simplified, let me tell you.

Consider that you don't know enough. Just consider it.

Thank you for your time reading this. I have little time to engage in protracted debate, but I felt I needed to compose this.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2011, 05:47:42 PM »

That's a bit of a knee-jerk considering this is not an anti-vax video.

It does, certainly, diverge from what you say, though, in terms of whether or not there is profit to be made in vaccines. I'm inclined to think there is a great deal to be made unless you can disprove the information given here about the $$ spent on lobbying, advertising, etc by manufacturers of vaccines.

songbird · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2011, 10:19:26 PM »

In 1992, about's, front page of the Arizona Republic states there is a meningistis epidemic of 9 cases total and I read the article carefully. There was boundaries set to vaccinate children in that area and if need be the boundaries would be stretched out more. Now, I knew the President of the Dept. of the Health Dept for AZ. I testified for him once before on his on dept. for they were making millions for abortion under the idea that if there were more visits to see the doctor for pregnant women, there would be less infant mortality. When I testified using the figures given to me, the Dept. lost a million to their so called agenda to lower infant mortality when the money was for abortion. But let's stay of the subject. I phoned the president of Dept. of Health about this newspaper article. I asked, "What is the definition of epidemic? And I was very skeptical about these vaccines and picking on "an" area out of all of AZ. the President said to me, it is not an epidemic and read the article well, it involves money!, grants! So, I read it well. You see, when grant money is involved, it takes time to file for grants and wait for approval like 6 months or more. Then if it is approved then you wait til the time is right. also when grant monies are used Universities are involved as well to write the outcomes. So, I followed this vaccination or shot in the dark party. I am not sure of the number of shots, but I would think in the hundred thousands, like 300,000. So, if this is the case we the federal gov't never had the chance to read the grants, we were in the dark! If the 300,000 shots were not all used, the boundaries would go out further to be sure to use the shots up. To what? Do studies? The vaccinations were for menigitis (p). Now, I would love to know the outcome. Those parents and children stood in line in the heat of AZ, I believe it was August. And to keep them happy in line, they got popsicles! For those who do not know of the area of Maryvale, I would consider it mainly hispanic and poor. Some remember it as the area of cancer clusters. The people tried to bring that issue up of cancer decades ago and the people lost out to the state Gov't. So, I am of the strong opinion, that vaccines make BIG money if not on just the shots, but all the damages that they cause. Look at obesity. It is a side effect of baby shots, my daughter is one. So, for the damages done, we take on more taxes for our "Happy Meal" and who pays and who makes the moola?! songbird

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2011, 10:24:18 PM »

It's anti-vax in the sense that it implies that this girls lupus (which she has been diagnosed with several time by different doctors) are, in fact, Gardasil complications.

Her mother is a real piece of work as well, and medical fraus is not new to her. The poor girl seems caught in the midst of this.

Will post a bit more if I have a few minutes later, but you should not be surprised that drug companies lobby and spend a ton of money lobbying, but it is not to secure 'lucrative' vaccines-- they are not lucrative.

Merck et Al spend millions because they have dozens and dozens of other products, and they want influence to extend patent protections (hasn't happned, but I bet it will), and to influence Senators and others who approve FDA budgets, lest they ever need anyone to "make a phonecall" about a drug's approval.

Consider there is already a competing vaccine for HPV, I believe it is called Cervarix(?) and now there is competition after all the R&D to develop that vaccine, after only a few short years of marketing Gardasil. Such is the case with nearly any drug: you only have a few years to exploit your patent protection and make your money back plus (ideally) a profit.

Vaccines are never good profit makers, especially ones you do not have a monopoly on (almost none are under patent protection anymore) because, by definition, you may only get 2 or 3 doses in your *life*.

The much better money, and the place parents should focus their energy, is in the SSRI and other psychoactive drugs being pumped into kids with greater and greater 'liberalization'. The beauty of such drugs is they are daily, or better, twice or more daily for the ones with shorter half-lives. They also are administered *indefinitely*

I have heard of, but not confirmed, of *extraordinary* pressure being applied to parents to medicate even quite young children. Some administrations insisting a child takes, for example, an SSRI or an amphetamine (Adderall), or *not be allowed back* to school. I doubt that 'flies, but I would be willing to wager many parents would 'consent' not knowing their rights.

Such stories aside, my point stands, there is an increasing medication of children at younger and younger ages. If you ask me, and I am not a physician but have done research in a mental health setting, these medications are adminstered for more and more specious reasons. I've heard of some pretty 'off label' uses of SSRIs for example. With children, that sort of thing is pretty crazy. Off label sounds crazy enough, a physician not doing the paperwork for such use is inconceivable. I don't doubt it, but I would like some proof.

Anyway, this sort of thing is quite a bit easier to demonstrate a profit motive for such behavior as each new patient (a 'subscriber' in essence) is an income stream nearly into perpetuity. Also, these drugs are profitable.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2011, 12:32:39 AM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

It's anti-vax in the sense that it implies that this girls lupus (which she has been diagnosed with several time by different doctors) are, in fact, Gardasil complications.

Are you saying she was diagnosed with lupus before receiving any shots?

This video is of course being passed around in different circles and I think info on these specific patients is important as they chose to follow only a few individuals and portray their problems as being widespread.

I thought the protrayal of the mom whose daughter died at 5 months was poorly done as they gave nothing solid to support the assertion that vaccines were the obvious cause.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2011, 12:38:50 AM »

Quote from: Iuvenalis

Consider there is already a competing vaccine for HPV, I believe it is called Cervarix(?) and now there is competition after all the R&D to develop that vaccine, after only a few short years of marketing Gardasil. Such is the case with nearly any drug: you only have a few years to exploit your patent protection and make your money back plus (ideally) a profit.

Is there really a huge difference between spending $100 million in advertising in hopes of quickly breaking even vs. spending the same in hopes of a huge profit? They're still making decisions based on getting the dollars to flow rather than concern for the patients. I just don't see how advertising directly to teenaged girls via emotionally-charged TV ads is in their best interest.

Jim · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2011, 01:56:56 AM »

I appreciate this little vax/anti-vax discussion with Mater and Juvenal. It's great when traditional, real Catholics can discuss these kinds of things. Anyways, I jumped on the anti-vax bandwagon reading stuff on the Internet (eg vigilant citizen) and taking up a very anti-nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr stance. Then, one day my aunt tells me she's anti vax and blames my cousin's blindness on them. So a discussion amongst Catholics is definitely needed.

brother sun · « **Reply #9 on:** September 30, 2013, 02:13:26 PM »

Iuvenalis: You dismiss Gabby's reaction to Gardasil as anecdotal, and merely one data point. Did you know that in the VAERS database, there are well over 30,000 adverse events reported from Gardasil, including 140 deaths? Since the VAERS database relies on voluntary reporting by doctors, and typically only 1% of events are reported, we have to realize that the real number of fatalities could be 14,000, and the number of adverse events well over 3,000,000! (A study published in JAMA looked at the rate of VAERS reporting and concluded about 1% reporting.)

When you look at the dozens of cases where parents have docuмented in minute detail the chain of events that occurred after their daughter's Gardasil vaccination, you will see that, it could not possibly be "coincidence". You might say, statistically, a certain number of teenagers will die at any given time, however, that would include car accidents, drownings, etc. How many of those deaths are reported as "unknown causes?" Nearly every Gardasil death is listed as "unknown causes" because doctors refuse to acknowledge that a vaccine can cause harm. Because of this, the statistics reflect a massive under-reporting.

I challenge you to read the detailed accounts of girls who are permanently disabled following Gardasil, and tell me that they are all coincidence. Here is a page I created with links to several website where parents docuмent the Gardasil adverse reactions:

Vaccine-Injury.info/gardasil.cfm

brother sun · « **Reply #10 on:** September 30, 2013, 02:33:37 PM »

Vaccines are not compatible with a Pro-Life position, because vaccines are causing "post-birth abortion". In the USA, more children die in their first year of life than any other country in the world. Coincidentally, we give more vaccines than any other country in the world. The cause of death is usually listed as "SIDS" (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) and no mention of vaccines is recorded. Hence, official statistics do not reflect the true harm that vaccines are causing. Here's is a brief article I wrote on the topic: Vaccine-Injury.info/cara.cfm

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2013, 03:12:04 PM »

It's all about money, kickbacks and stocks.

The doctors and nurses are bribed with expensive luncheons, trips etc.

Many of these drugs and vaccines are killing people. Fertility meds is all about money and are dangerous. They tell young to take contraceptives to control menstrual cycles and acme.

I was flipping through a mag at drs office there was advertisement for guardizil showing young African Americans

And in politics believe in population control.

The best thing is abstinence.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2013, 03:16:49 PM »

I don't trust these flu shots either.

It seems there are more children with autism or obesity compared 30 years ago.

Same with Alzheimer's.

3 people in my class from high school have suffered from strokes.

Look at the many people in cancer. There are always problems with nuclear plants and we are suffering from Japan.

Robin · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2013, 09:48:48 PM »

Most vaccines today are grown in the tissues of aborted children. So any that are should never be taken by Catholics.