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Offline PG

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Trump wants to replace food stamp system
« on: February 14, 2018, 11:56:04 PM »
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  • I think it sounds great.  The young turks are a bunch of liberal trump haters, so they bag on this idea.  But, I think this is a fantastic idea.  I think a lot of money will be saved if they do this.  Food stamps are taken advantage of big time.  No more luxury food for the food stamp crowd.  If you want to play the needy card, you are going to learn what that means.  Beggars cannot be choosers.  I think the health of the country will improve with this as well.  This could be the best thing trump can do.  And, I hear mick mulvaney is a catholic, and that he perhaps has been developing this.  

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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #1 on: February 15, 2018, 03:38:35 AM »
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  • I support this because I agree, people are abusing SNAP and food stamps. If this is successful, then SNAP could be gutted completely.
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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #2 on: February 15, 2018, 11:00:12 AM »
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  • TYT arguments against are not realistic.  The food will definitely be more nutritious than what most people eat.  That is guaranteed.  And, the government is definitely not going to drive this food and deliver to peoples door, which would offset the savings gained made by wholesale purchasing.  So, we can forget about that.  It will probably just been a foodbank type of thing.  Where the food must be picked up by the recipients at the gov charity warehouse.  And, lastly, poor people do not need special food because of their infirmities or impediments like diabetes.  No more expensive fake food for people advertised as medicine.  People can start eating simple common food.  If not, they can just go ahead and die.  People have been abusing food stamps for far too long.  This could be a huge improvement in our country and economy.  Godspeed to president Trump on this.  

    The key that will make this successful is the limiting of what the people can get with the food services.  The gov should limit the food to healthy simple food.  No more unhealthy lucky charm or coco puff cerial for kids.  Kids will start eating wheaties like adults.  Maybe I am ignorant, but I think food stamps can purchase any type of food.  I recall seeing a video where abusers were using it to buy expensive sushi, and it was on a national tv docuмentary advertising stamps used as such.
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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #3 on: February 15, 2018, 11:02:07 AM »
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  • I think it's a good idea to change the system. Though I think that most food stamp recipients actually use an EBT card now, rather than actual stamps. I think that if those who are taking advantage of the system had to deal with food being delivered, they might think twice about signing up for it. 

    There are people who actually need the food, and then there are those who abuse the system. I recall several cashiers at the grocery store where I work saying in the break room once that a lot of EBT card users whom they ring up orders for obviously aren't poor. They have really nice expensive clothes and manicures. They said it makes them mad that those people are taking advantage of the system.

    And yet when my brother was very poor and struggling a few years ago, he still had too high an income for an EBT in Arkansas. He would have been fine with this new proposal, where food is delivered. He went to food banks mostly.

    Also, many immigrants are given EBT cards. If immigration is limited, it might also help with the costs.

    Also, that video is against the idea of food being delivered. They use the same old tired liberal arguments.
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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #4 on: February 15, 2018, 11:18:15 AM »
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  •  People can start eating simple common food.  If not, they can just go ahead and die.  


    The above statement is probably not a Catholic way to view the problem. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #5 on: February 15, 2018, 01:52:53 PM »
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  • Why change it?  Just get rid of it.
    What you all don't understand is that the federal government is supposed to be small and limited.  Such federal handouts are completely against the constitution.

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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #6 on: February 15, 2018, 03:06:23 PM »
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  • The above statement is probably not a Catholic way to view the problem.
    I meant it in a joking manner.  But, I joke about it in a serious way because liberals/noahides will throw the biggest fit if they cannot eat the artificial slave food they want(on someone else's dime of course).  They will say and act like they would rather die than have to eat for instance, green vegetables!  They will say and act like they would rather die before having to eat "oh god no", whole foods!  And, honestly, I am not going to doubt them.  I have met these types.  I have lived with these types.  They really are hell bent, and I would not be surprised if they choose to not eat over something like this.  Just look at the prisoners and their hunger strikes and flip it on its head.  There is a reality to it.  I mean look at the Jєωs.  They have to even change the salt they eat.  They will not eat salt that goyim eat.  They don't just use the square shaped salt to remove blood from food, that is the only kind they eat to salt their food.  The kosher phenomenon is a perfect example.  Some of these people would rather die then have to eat food that will improve the world and potentially save their souls.  
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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #7 on: February 15, 2018, 05:10:44 PM »
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  • The Jєω bankers profit off of food stamps.

    http://rooseveltinstitute.org/food-stamps-jpmorgan-banking-industry-profit-misery/

    Food Stamps: JPMorgan & Banking Industry Profit From Misery

    This week’s credit check: A record 43.6 million Americans are using food stamps. JPMorgan’s segment that makes food stamp debit cards made $5.47 billion in net revenue in 2010.

    You might think that if you’re on food stamps, big banks won’t be very interested in you. What could they possibly want with someone who’s struggling just to put food on the table? But it turns out that you’re actually part of a profitable business for big bank JPMorgan. While the money to pay for the stamps comes from the government, the technology to access it lies in private hands. Food stamps used to be literally stamps — that is, pieces of paper — but in this day and age paper is so old fashioned. Now you get your food stamps with a debit card, and JPMorgan knows all about creating plastic credit products.

    As the head of this division at JPMorgan, Christopher Paton, told Bloomberg, “They act and feel very much like a debit card. A lot of stores increasingly take food stamps.” What convenience! And Paton points out that his bank is the largest processor of food stamps in the country. These are boom times for such services — a new report from the US Department of Agriculture reports that 43.6 million Americans are now using food stamps, nearly 14% of the population, which is a record number. Paton notes this trend himself: “Volumes have gone through the roof in the last couple of years,” he says. “This business is a very important business to JPMorgan in terms of its size and scale.” And the numbers bear him out. According to the company’s most recent quarterly filing with the SEC, the Treasury & Securities Services segment, which is the division that includes the food stamp business, was up 2% in the last three months of last quarter and brought in $5.47 billion in net revenue for most of 2010.

    Paton’s quick to point out that this isn’t just about profit at JPMorgan — it’s also serving a “useful social function.” And department execs don’t have to sit around hoping for unemployment to skyrocket so they can make a buck — more than 40% of food stamp recipients have a job, as Paton notes. Even if you get a job, you still have an almost one in two chance of still not being able to buy groceries, so JPMorgan can continue to make its profits as unemployment falls (someday).

    But it does show a misalignment between what the banks want and what’s good for the rest of us. It turns out that JPMorgan also provides unemployment benefit debit cards in some states on top of the food stamp cards. Talk about marketing off of misery — the profit made from these cards shoots up as workers lose their jobs and can’t pay for food. Whether or not they’re providing a needed service, you would be hard pressed to find a way in which the business interest of this segment is not aligned with further economic ruin for America’s workers. Instead of profiting when we all do well, they profit off of our misery.

    And the decision to place card creation in private hands can turn out to be complicated for the actual users. While the government outsourced its card creation needs to JPMorgan, the bank in turn outsourced the customer service end to India. So if you’re a food stamp user who has a problem or a question, don’t expect to actually get someone in your own country to help you out. They can’t be bothered to actually deal with the people they’re giving such a necessary service to.
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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #8 on: February 18, 2018, 07:38:56 PM »
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  • I work as a part time grocery checker and I notice that those on food stamps now use EBT cards. Much of the groceries
    purchased is soft drinks, candy, ice cream, tv dinners and no wonder these kids get obesity and diabetes early in life.
    I understand the food stamp system may be replaced by boxes of can goods and foods of a healthy nature.
    The Democrats will fight any changes because those on food stamps are a very large segment of their voters.

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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #9 on: February 18, 2018, 10:49:16 PM »
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  •  Much of the groceries purchased is soft drinks, candy, ice cream, tv dinners and no wonder these kids get obesity and diabetes early in life.
    One of the young turks complaints is that canned foods or foods that can last are not nutritious.  Canned food of almost anything is so much more healthy than the majority of what most people eat these days not because of what is in it, but because of what is not in it.  Canned foods usually do not contain all of the fat and sugar that you find in large amounts in most of the foods consumed by so many today.  It is what is not in the food that will make trumps diet healthier.  This new plan should be called the Trump diet.  If I were in power this would(if I thought of it fast enough) be the first thing I would do.  I would control and approve of what the poor I am feeding consume.
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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #10 on: February 19, 2018, 11:05:27 AM »
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  • I live in a small town in Southern Colorado and once a month there is a food box day.  The foods are donated by
    the grocery chains from the surrounding area.  The foods are can goods, sacks of rice and beans, some sweets
    and candy. fruits and vegetables.
    You have to very careful of any damage of the cans, and expiration dates. I throw these out.
    Depending how big the family is, more groceries they get.
    The town once supported by  coal mines and the last mine closed in the 1960's. available jobs are very scarce.
    leaving many depending on welfare and many senior citizens living on social security.
    One thing living in a small town in the middle of know where, there is hardly any crime and the problems of
    the big cities.


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    Re: Trump wants to replace food stamp system
    « Reply #11 on: February 19, 2018, 11:13:55 AM »
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  • I live in a small town in Southern Colorado and once a month there is a food box day.  The foods are donated by
    the grocery chains from the surrounding area.  The foods are can goods, sacks of rice and beans, some sweets
    and candy. fruits and vegetables.
    You have to very careful of any damage of the cans, and expiration dates. I throw these out.
    Depending how big the family is, more groceries they get.
    The town once supported by  coal mines and the last mine closed in the 1960's. available jobs are very scarce.
    leaving many depending on welfare and many senior citizens living on social security.
    One thing living in a small town in the middle of know where, there is hardly any crime and the problems of
    the big cities.

    I think it's a great idea for the grocery chains to donate food. I work part-time in a grocery store bakery, and we donate a lot of food to the food bank. The whole grocery section donates a lot. There's a lot of good food that is thrown out, too. It's sad that after 7:00 pm at night, they have to throw away all of the freshly fried chicken from that day, and sometimes they throw a lot of it away, even though it's half-price after 6:00pm.

    Dry goods are actually good for quite awhile after their expiration date - as much as a year.

    I recall reading that in England before the reformation there, that the government required that the farmers give a percentage of their crop to the poor who needed food. The Catholic church was given the duty of distributing the food. And then after the English reformation, there were no longer and religious to distribute the food, and the practice fell by the wayside, unfortunately.  
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29