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Offline Miseremini

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Beware of Kratom
« on: August 11, 2025, 09:20:50 PM »
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  • Apparently this energy drink is available to all even children.
    It appears to be as addictive as heroin.

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/she-thought-just-another-energy-100557845.html
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Beware of Kratom
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 12:33:23 AM »
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  • Ignore the FDA catapulting the propaganda.  I use Kratom regularly and I WISH it had the ability to cause me to drop weight, like the story claimed.

    Kratom has tremendous potential benefits ... WITHOUT inducing any kind of mental impairment whatsoever, therefore having no moral implications.  It's extremely effective for chronic pain, and for anxiety, and, most importantly, it can be used to get people OFF opioid addictions while minimizing withdrawal symptoms, since it does in fact hit some of the same receptors that opioids hit.  People who have found no relief from various forms of chronic pain even from strong opioids, often report that Kratom does the job.  I've taken Kratom when I've had great body aches from the flu, for instance, and you can continue functioning, since you don't feel the body aches from it anymore (though that's not always recommended, to keep going with the flu).  It's also great for people with anxiety who might otherwise be getting addicted to junk like Xanax.

    Starting under Trump I, the FDA set about attempting to demonize it, claiming that it could be deadly, manipulating some fake statistics where about a half dozen people had died ... from Kratom they said.  Well, not only was the total percentage so small (reported deaths vs. Kratom users), but they covered up the fact that the users who died were also taking opioids at the same time (doubling up) and it was the OPIOIDS that caused their death.  But since they had taken Kratom at the same time, AND the whole point was to demonize Kratom, they warped the stats by ignoring the opioids and blaming the deaths squarely on kratom.  More people die each year from drinking excessive amounts of caffeine than from Kratom + Opioids.  Last time I checked, there were NO KNOWN DEATHS (not a single one) attributable to Kratom alone.  See, that's because if you take too much ... you'll get nauseous and simply throw it up, causing there to be a built-in anti-overdose mechanism.  Kratom in its natural form, not reduced to a pill (we'll get back to that), is a rather bulky substance, similar to those ground up "healthy greens" powders (though with a worse taste).

    So, now for the reason WHY they tried to demonize it.  Trump I appointed Scott Gottlieb to head the FDA, another one of those "revolving door" clowns (docuмented by RFK Jr.) who go back and forth between Big Pharma and FDA, where they go into FDA, get lots of garbage "approved", including many dangerous drugs, and then return afterwards to the same Pharma companies that profited mightily from their approval, making huge bonuses.  No conflicts of interest there, right, with the fox in charge of watching the hen-house.  That's why stuff has been recalled years later after people started dropping dead from them (e.g. the various blood pressure meds) ... because the FDA ignored certain aspects of the studies, just like they did with the COVID jab.

    So, what was Gottlieb's angle on it?  Gottlieb, even WHILE head of FDA, still remained connected to Glaxo Smith Kline, and guess who, other than GSK, had obtained a patent for a drug (in pill form) based on the active ingredient found naturally in kratom, claiming that it was "safe and effective" ... while at the same time demonizing (via their mouthpiece Gottlieb) the natural form of it in Kratom as "dangerous and ineffective".  In order to make their millions off their Kratom-derived drug, they needed to get rid of the natural competition, which would undoubtedly be MUCH cheaper, since it's sourced from Southeast Asia, where many people have been using the stuff for centuries, especially people engaged in hard manual labor all day, to help them with the body aches that come with that.  Back to the pill form version, now the extracted pill version of Kratom, THAT had more of a potential for overdose than the natural stuff, since the active ingredient was so concentrated, that popping a few pills would be the equivalent of downing a half kilo of kratom, which you could never do without puking.  It's hard to take more than a teaspoon of the stuff.  So, as always, it's the opposite of what Big Jew Pharma claim, where the natural stuff is actually safe and effective (since God created it) ... while their crap is what's dangerous and possibly useless.

    But a program to use Kratom officially as a means for treating opiate addiction, which has become a massive health crisis ... it could be life-altering for the people who are afflicted with that addition.

    Now, in terms of being "as addictive as heroin" ... that's complete hogwash.  It's perhaps slightly more addictive than caffeine, but less than nicotine, and much of the addiction (and potential "withdrawal") is psychological.  So, for instance, because it relieves chronic body aches, etc. ... when you get off it, you start to feel those coming back, where you feel sore.  Then since it helps with anxiety, you start to feel a bit jittery, etc.  But you simply need to taper down off of it if you're determined to quit.  It's not unlike people who have been accustomed to drinking 8 cups of coffee per day or smoking 2 packs of cigarettes every day suddenly deciding to go cold turkey ... except that it's actually much milder than getting off nicotine.  I know, since I got off nicotine, quit vaping after years of first cigarettes, then vaping ... and that's much tougher than quitting kratom, hands down.  And people I know who drink tons of coffee / caffeine every day, they say the same thing.  But if you're determined to get off Kratom, you can eliminate the withdrawal by simply tapering down gradually and getting used to how your body feels as you move along with less.

    But, again, many people WISH that Kratom had the effect of making you lose a ton of weight like the woman in this undoubtedly-manipulated "article" (paid for by the FDA and brought to you by Glaxo).  If you look at her, she has the telltale look of a meth user, and either that or it's combined with some unrelated eating disorder where they're going to blame it on Kratom, just like they did when some were mixing Kratom and Opioids.  100% that's what is going on here.  On top of that, you'll notice that she wasn't taking Kratom by itself, but in some gas station "tonic" that she found, and who knows what else was in that stuff?  Could easily have been laced with trace amounts of fentanyl or whatno.  I don't see any of the people I know who use Kratom walking around emaciated.  Kratom simply does NOT have that effect.  Kratom DOES NOT cause your metabolism to spike, as you get hyper-energized, like with meth or something.  If you sense a boost in energy, it's almost entirely due to relief from the chronic body aches and the reduction of anxiety.  In fact, contrary to the effect of even something like caffeine, if you take some Kratom before bedtime, it will relax you and help you fall asleep, not wire you up.  When the article mentioned this "Feel Free" tonic (not 100% clear on what brand she took) ... but it had the following LISTED ingredients:  kava, kratom, lion's mane, rhodiola, and kola nut.  See, the scientific method would require studying each one of these ingredients, and their synergy with others, and of course ruling out the presence of various "unlisted" ingredients those types of things often try to sneak in there.  But, of course, Glaxo did already study the active ingredient in Kratom and declared it "safe and effective" ... but only if you buy their magic $100-per-pill version, not the regular, natural, ground up tree leaves.  Catching on to the lies and contradictions and propaganda yet?

    Now, I've known a few teenagers that have developed heart problems from ACTUAL "energy drinks", like Red Bulls and other knockoffs (whereas Kratom would have no such effect).  I certainly think its sale should be limited to people 21 and older, like with cigarettes, but ... here's another thing I don't understand.  I live in Ohio (where this woman is allegedly from), and, uhm, well ... you can't actually buy Kratom if you're under 21.  So if this was "available to kids", it's only because this was a bootleg / illegal substance being circulated among those shady little gas stations and so-called "head shops", the same places where you can probably get stuff laced with fentanyl.

    But, as with all their agenda, they find SOME reasonable way to SELL something ... even if their intent is nefarious overall.  Yes, protect the children ... when their entire point is to get rid of the competition for some Big Pharma Drug they'll charge 1000 x the price for.  Who doesn't want to protect children, and it's not unreasonable ... except you can do that without banning Kratom, which is what they're trying to do with their many-year demonization campaign.  They do that with others tuff.  Hey, everybody's being afflicted with identity theft, so let's add some biometrics to prevent that.  OK, if you've ever had your accounts compromised, or even have to deal with annoying hyper-security regarding every purchase, most people would LOVE to find a "solution" for that ... but that's not their goal.  It's the old Problem->Reaction->Solution manipulation.  Yes, yes, it's all about the children (whom they abort by the millions each year ... of pay to genocide in Gaza).  Pardon my French, but ... BULLSHIT.  These same government agencies are the ones actually shipping the REALLY ADDICTIVE AND DEADLY drugs into the country, and have for centuries in different parts of the world, to deliberately cause addition, make money, and then create a problem that they can then solve.  They don't give a rat's ass about the good of the public or the public health.  Always remember that.  They're Satanic Liars, and if they say "good morning," 90% of the time, it's probably night time.  How do you know they're lying?  Their lips are moving.

    So, watch out for being propagandized.  These "articles" are put out there by Big Pharma, for reasons other than to be at the service of mankind, and presented or disguised as journalistic endeavors when they're advertisements and propaganda.  We saw that during the Plandemic.  Whether or not you want or don't want to try Kratom, try to avoid getting suckered in by the propaganda.  We should have learned our lessons to pay attention after what was exposed during the Plandemic, and what even controlled opposition types like Alex Jones have been exposing for decades.

    Promoting Kratom for ACTUAL OPIOID DRUG ADDICTION, which is in fact a huge public health crisis, could actually bring massive benefits to overall public health, and using Kratom INSTEAD of opioids for pain relief (as Glaxo actually wanted to do) could prevent people from getting addicted to the opioid crap in the first place.  Kratom can also help with anxiety and pain and overall quality of life for many people.  But these people don't care.  In fact, they WANT these evils to be experienced by humanity, so they can then profit off of it, just like they actively suppress one cancer cure after another, since they just make way too much money off of their garbage useless "treatments" that end up killing you more often than helping.


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    Re: Beware of Kratom
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 12:54:28 AM »
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  • So, LOL, the article also likens it to another thing called Tianeptine or "gas station heroin", which is evidently an anti-depressant that's prescribed in  many countries, just not in the USA.  Again, it's safe and effective if some guy in a labcoat gives you the $1000-per-bottle version, but dangerous if they don't.  Or ... how they claim that even amoxicillin is dangerous if it's not prescribed by some doctor.  OK, actually, it could be ... if you take 10 times the normal amount, and that could wreak havoc on your health, but then you could take more than what the labcoat guy wrote down anyway, and do the same thing.  It's just completely ridiculous.

    Yes, there will always be a moron who kills himself by, oh, drinking too much water.  And that is not a joke.  It's said that a handful of people die each year in the US due to "overhydration".  This came out when they blamed like 7 deaths on Kratom over the course of 10 years under Trump I (Gottlieb), that in the same time period more people than that had died of water poisoning, excessive consumption of water, leading to water intoxication, a sodium imbalance, and then death.  So let's try to curtain "big water" now.  It just gets more ridiculous every day.

    But one would hope that those of us who have been exposed to their lies and their techniques for so long could see through this crap.

    If I had a backer, I could write this EXACT SAME ARTICLE about caffeine, telling horror stories of people with extreme caffeine addictions, withdrawals, etc.

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    Re: Beware of Kratom
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 01:00:41 AM »
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  • Just a quick search on people with caffeine addiction ...

    Stories about extreme caffeine addiction highlight the significant impact it can have on individuals' lives, encompassing both physical and psychological well-being. These narratives often share similar themes:
    1. Physical health consequences
    • Digestive problems: Individuals report experiencing stomach issues like acid reflux, gastritis, ulcers, diarrhea, and Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) due to high caffeine consumption.
    • Cardiovascular issues: Rapid heart rate, palpitations, high blood pressure, and even concerns about heart damage are mentioned by individuals struggling with excessive caffeine intake.
    • Sleep disturbances: Insomnia and restless sleep are common themes, creating a cycle where individuals rely on caffeine to overcome fatigue, but it in turn disrupts their sleep patterns further.
    2. Mental and emotional challenges
    • Heightened anxiety and panic attacks: Extreme caffeine intake can lead to increased anxiety, nervousness, irritability, and even panic attacks, sometimes mimicking or exacerbating existing anxiety disorders.
    • Difficulty concentrating: Ironically, while caffeine is initially sought for its focus-enhancing properties, excessive use can lead to the opposite effect, making it harder to concentrate due to overstimulation or withdrawal symptoms.
    • Mood swings and depression: Individuals describe experiencing irritability, low mood, and even depressive episodes, particularly during attempts to cut back or quit caffeine.
    3. Social and relationship impact
    • Strain on relationships: Extreme caffeine use can lead to increased short-temper, anxiety, and an inability to be present in relationships, causing friction with family and friends.
    • Social isolation: Some stories hint at difficulties maintaining social interactions or feeling comfortable in social settings without a "caffeine boost," potentially contributing to isolation.
    4. Withdrawal experiences
    • Intense physical symptoms: Withdrawal is described as physically challenging, often involving debilitating headaches, fatigue, brain fog, nausea, and even flu-like symptoms, according to Reddit user.
    • Emotional and psychological challenges: Individuals report significant mood disturbances, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, and a general feeling of being "off" during the withdrawal period.
    5. Road to recovery
    • Seeking support: Individuals have found help and community in support groups like Caffeine Addicts Anonymous (CAFAA).
    • Gradual reduction: Many emphasize that gradually reducing caffeine intake, rather than going cold turkey, is a more manageable and successful approach to quitting.
    • Adopting healthier habits: Replacing caffeine with alternative beverages, prioritizing sleep, and incorporating physical activity are strategies individuals have used to support their recovery.
    These stories highlight the importance of recognizing the potential for caffeine addiction and seeking support if excessive consumption begins to negatively impact one's life. Understanding the symptoms, potential health risks, and withdrawal process can empower individuals to take steps towards reducing their reliance on this widely consumed stimulant.



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    Re: Beware of Kratom
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 01:03:59 AM »
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  • THEN ... when I do a search on caffeine overdose, I get this ...
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    While caffeine abuse can lead to serious health issues, including death, fatal caffeine overdoses are relatively rare. A review of scientific literature identified 92 reported deaths from caffeine overdose, but it's important to note that many of these cases involved other substances or were ѕυιcιdєs. The majority of caffeine-related deaths are not from isolated caffeine overdose, but rather from accidental ingestion or intentional overdoses with other substances.

    So this study found 92 deaths, whereas the similar "study" on Kratom found 7 ... and unlike with this one here, the IGNORED the fact that "many of these cases involved other substances" (which they are quick to point out with caffeine), and the ѕυιcιdєs were undoubtedly where you had the stuff in pill form, since you can't drink enough coffee (naturally occurring) to kill you, since it would likely require gallons of the stuff.

    Imagine, then, taking this study (this scientific review of literature) and then the stories in my post above about caffeine, and then embarking on some pathos-filled article about a woman who's life was ruined by caffein addiction, and then calling out stories of people who died ... and, look, caffein is available even to children.

    :laugh1: :laugh2:


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    Re: Beware of Kratom
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 01:10:50 AM »
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  • LOL ... 
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/prescription-drug-abuse/in-depth/kratom/art-20402171

    Kratom "Unsafe and Ineffective" ... :laugh1:, tell the millions of users it's ineffective, and the 0 deaths ever attributed to Kraom alone about being "unsafe.

    Of course, when GlaxoSmithKline obtained a patent for the active ingredient, they claimed it was safe and effective.

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    Re: Beware of Kratom
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 01:29:10 AM »
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  • Probably like most other substances used as medication, dosage is the key. Too little has no effect leading to complaints of, “It doesn’t work.”
    Of greater concern is the use of too much. A college roommate tried to write a paper for a class the evening before it was due next morning. She worked a 12 hour shift in a nursing home, ate a quick dinner, brewed up super strong coffee and got to work, drinking the joe, black with a ton of sugar and popping No-Doz tablets. Long story short, she ended up with bloody projectile vomit, chest pain, and heart palpitations. We called the ambulance and they pumped her stomach, started cleaning her out with IV liquids, something to calm her heart, potassium, and I don’t know what all. They kept her two nights hooked up to various monitors. To make matters worse, she was malnourished before the incident, anemic, low calcium, low potassium, deficient cholesterol, vitamins C, D, E, B-12, etc. That was because in the effort to stay slim, maintain her energy, and not take time to cook, she subsisted on a six-pack of Diet Pepsi, black coffee, and a Snickers bar per day. 
    Oh, and she had an ulcer. No surprise.
    She was ordered to take the rest of the semester off and eat a special diet and get sufficient sleep. She went home to her mother for the summer. Because the hospital and medical bills were so steep, she didn’t return in the Fall, opting instead for community college. 
    Remember, MODERATION!