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Sweet Bioenergetics?
« on: August 31, 2025, 02:56:58 PM »
I have been conducting an n=1 experiment since the beginning of June.

When I first saw the sugar diet posts here, I thought nothing could be more preposterous. I noticed, however, that Josefa decided to experiment with it (though I haven’t seen where, if at all, she posted results), and also I had come to the permanent conclusion that whether or not keto was good for me, I simply could not sustain it.

When not on keto, I consume copious quantities of bread and butter, pasta, sugar, meat, fruits, and veggies. This ultimately does not work for me, because I have thyroiditis.

Just for kicks and giggles, I decided to investigate the sugar diet, beginning with the notorious Cole Robinson. LOL!!!!

I was intrigued, but knew better than to completely ditch protein and fat.

To make a long story short, though pretty much immediately rejecting the Cole/Smelly Bell/DurianRider paradigm, I was still intrigued and steered towards bioenergetics.

The two poster boys for this are Jay Feldman and Mike Fave, what I would call Youtube Bioenergetics Lite. From them I found Danny Roddy and a very interesting specimen called Georgi Dinkov. All of this is what I would call “Ray Peat Vertebrated.”

Honestly, I haven’t been this intellectually stimulated in quite a while. I’m actually now reading Pub Med vomitus. LOL!!!

One thing that has me fighting mad is the discovery that I should have gone gluten free decades ago.

In any case, my n=1 consists of ditching gluten, nuts, seeds, grains, PUFAs, legumes, fatty fish, and fatty pork. I’m eating steak, ground beef, lean chicken, shrimp, eggs, cheese, butter, coconut oil, veggies, fruits, taters, rice, and SUGAR.

I’ve seen a lot of recommendations that thyroid folk should cut dairy, but Vertebraic Peatism highly recommends it. I cut dairy out a few days ago, but it seems intolerable, so I brought back pecorino, 4oz whole milk once a day with 4 oz coffee, and reduced fat cheese to eat with fruit.

Does anyone here follow this bioenergeticism?

Any thoughts about:

a) gluten ditching for thyroid

b) dairy ditching for thyroid

c) wild yam over the counter progesterone creams

d) calcium d-glucarate for estrogen opposition

e) vitamin D for estrogen opposition

f) niacinamide for everything

g) aspirin for everything

One last question: Does anyone here with low thyroid function know how to ramp up metabolism? I’m eating a lot of simple carbs, rice, and taters to jump start the thing.





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Re: Sweet Bioenergetics?
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2025, 03:13:56 PM »
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In any case, my n=1 consists of ditching gluten, nuts, seeds, grains, PUFAs, legumes
Agree.  These all have major problems for the thyroid and other things. 

Cut these out and What you’re left with is the “farmers diet”.  Dairy, eggs, butter, sugar, fruits, veggies.  Basically the Paleo diet.  Which is kinda a hybrid between the keto and sugar. 


Re: Sweet Bioenergetics?
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2025, 03:18:04 PM »
Agree.  These all have major problems for the thyroid and other things. 

Cut these out and What you’re left with is the “farmers diet”.  Dairy, eggs, butter, sugar, fruits, veggies.  Basically the Paleo diet.  Which is kinda a hybrid between the keto and sugar.

Is this how you eat?

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Re: Sweet Bioenergetics?
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2025, 03:22:02 PM »
Trying to switch to this more.  Butter is probably the best fat you can eat, except for true olive oil.  Cheese in moderation. Good fats help your liver, gallbladder and also thyroid.  But going super low carb increases cortisol/stress which hurts thyroid.  So both are good. 

Also, rice is good.  Not high in gluten.  Wild rice is actually not rice.  White rice is easy to digest.  Rice preferred for those that don’t like pastas. 

Also, when I said “sugar” I mean to include starches - potatoes and anything grown.  Cane sugar, etc 

Re: Sweet Bioenergetics?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2025, 03:44:51 PM »
Trying to switch to this more.  Butter is probably the best fat you can eat, except for true olive oil.  Cheese in moderation. Good fats help your liver, gallbladder and also thyroid.  But going super low carb increases cortisol/stress which hurts thyroid.  So both are good. 

Also, rice is good.  Not high in gluten.  Wild rice is actually not rice.  White rice is easy to digest.  Rice preferred for those that don’t like pastas.

Also, when I said “sugar” I mean to include starches - potatoes and anything grown.  Cane sugar, etc

Yup, you are on exactly the same track I'm on.

What a massive eye opener to discover that what the keto/carni community teaches is only 1/2 the truth. Gluconeogenesis is the devil, vis a vis good metabolism and thyroid function.

I have so many subjects on my list to delve into. One of them is the problem of decreased CO2 production tanking metabolism.

Here is an interesting technique I just stumbled upon to increase CO2. Who knew?